Ivy Bridge or Haswell

[XXXX18]

So what i've been meaning to do is building a new computer around one of the chips. If my mom and dad have their way, (sheesh) I will have to run the computer for about 6 years without buying any new parts. Here is the rest of my config:
MSI Z77A-GD45/MSI Z87-G45
Corsair Dominator Platinum 8gb
GTX 650 Ti BOOST SLi(Will get GTX 760)
Corsair Graphite 200r
Seasonic x650
(will be recycling HDD, SSD and DVD Drive)
Even though Haswell hasn't been launched in my country(India), i'm planning on getting it from eBay GEB, so I would like some advice.
Should I get an i5 4570 or i5 3570k? My dad is paying so he might reduce it to an i3. The rig will be used for playing every game I get(RPG, FPS, MMORPG etc etc) at 1920x1080.

 

[juusu101]

Seems like a perfectly viable build to last you until Skylake/Haswell-E. I suggest budgeting to a cheaper make of memory and using the money elsewhere (Guaranteeing an i5 or i7).

Mind you, if you can have them add to the budget over the next 3 or 4 months, you may want to hold out for Ivy Bridge-E in September. It's to be the release geared towards desktops and workstations. Haswell just isn't optimized for the format.

 

[diellur]

If you're gaming at 1080p, I think those 650s in SLI would be more or less equivalent to a 760. There may be no need for you to upgrade there.

The choice between Ivy and Haswell is simple if you want to overclock or not. If yes, Ivy, if not Haswell (based on your selection there). Ivy will do you fine for the next few years, but Haswell is the newer architecture and will keep your upgrade route open for the next few years.

And just to conclude...Ivybridge-E will be an expensive part. Just check out the difference in price between Sandybridge and Sandybridge-E. I wouldn't recommend it for a gaming build - not the best bang for buck, otherwise the majority of gamers would use them (they don't).

 

[XXXX18]

If you're gaming at 1080p, I think those 650s in SLI would be more or less equivalent to a 760. There may be no need for you to upgrade there.

The choice between Ivy and Haswell is simple if you want to overclock or not. If yes, Ivy, if not Haswell (based on your selection there). Ivy will do you fine for the next few years, but Haswell is the newer architecture and will keep your upgrade route open for the next few years.

And just to conclude...Ivybridge-E will be an expensive part. Just check out the difference in price between Sandybridge and Sandybridge-E. I wouldn't recommend it for a gaming build - not the best bang for buck, otherwise the majority of gamers would use them (they don't).

I'll try and ask for the Ivybridge-e prices, but if its too expensive, i'll stick with the i5. So my dad has allowed me to keep the i5, so i'm safe. My new config is:
i5 3570k(will be Oc'ing)
MSI Z77A-G45 Gaming
Corsair Dominator 8GB 1600Mhz(Will probably get a case like the dominator platinum built, thanks to juusu101 for the info.)
GTX 650Ti BOOST SLi
Corsair Graphite 200r
Seasonic x650
Corsair h100i(My newest addition 😛)
Will this be enough for 1920x1080? I will be using a new Tv as my monitor(http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/led-tv/UA55F8000ARLXL) so I will also play in 3d.

 

[guanyu210379]

If you are going to build a new rig. I would suggest Haswell instead of Ivy.
Haswell procs are probably not really the highlights but you might want to consider the Z87 mobos.
Z87 mobos are very sexy and loaded with relative better features to Z77.
On Z87, you get finally DDR3 1600, USB3.0 and 6gb SATA natives, etc....unlike on Z77.

I am now looking at Haswell only due to the mobos not due to the procs.

 

[diellur]

If you are going to build a new rig. I would suggest Haswell instead of Ivy.
Haswell procs are probably not really the highlights but you might want to consider the Z87 mobos.

I would agree with the above, if you can afford a Haswell 'K' CPU (the only reason I didn't suggest it before is because you didn't ID a 'K' Haswell as an option). They should be in the same price range as an Ivybridge 'K' series. You'll get everything you need from that, so I doubt that Ivy-E will give you anything more - perhaps an idea not to suggest it, if your father is happy getting you an i5!

I was listening to a podcast last night and the features that the new Z87 motherboards have for OCing etc are compelling. Bear in mind it keeps your upgrade route open as well - S1155 is effectively dead now. It'll last a good while yet for those with existing systems, but it makes more sense to base a new system on S1150.

Z87 mobos are very sexy and loaded with relative better features to Z77. On Z87, you get finally DDR3 1600, USB3.0 and 6gb SATA natives, etc....unlike on Z77.

Puzzled. I have my RAM at 1600 MHz, have USB 3.0 and two 6GB SATA connections on my Z77...

 

[guanyu210379]

I have to apologize if I make wrote something which understood differently.

http://www.ukgamingcomputers.co.uk/difference-between-z77-and-z87-a-34.html
"Z87 natively supports more SATA 6.0BG/s ports, 6 to be exact compared to Z77’s two native ports. "
"Z87 natively supports 1600Mhz RAM. Previously Z77 only natively supported 1333Mhz RAM... "
etc. etc.

What I meant is that Z87 can run 1600 DDR3 natively while Z77 not and Z87 have more native USB3.0 and more native 6gb SATA ports.

I know the difference between Z77 and Z87 is not impressive but very very sexy if you have to buy a new mobo anyway
There could be more benefit on choosing Z87 instead of Z77 but I have to learn this new Z87 more ...

and...
I would not care much for 1150 or 1155 but 1150 should live longer since it is newer...both will die soon anyway...it is unfortunately simply Intel's bad habit to change sockets very often...

I agree with the leaving Ivy-E out of the option...I would not bother to get Ivy-E...it would be too expensive and perhaps will be an overkill for you.
i5 3570k from Ivy or i5 4670k from Haswell or E3-1230V2 (Ivy, this Xeon is interesting if you are not going to OC) will be the best solution for you

 

[diellur]

I'm with you...fair enough! Only thing I'd point out is that Z77 boards can run at higher RAM frequencies...but yes, the Z87 has more I/O connections to play with.

I think S1150 will be with us for a similar span to S1155 (unless Intel kills it the way they did S1156...). Thankfully the performance bump isn't huge over S1155, otherwise I'd be looking to replace my ol' faithful i5-2500K!

 

[guanyu210379]

@diellur:
If you are already on Sandy or Ivy. There is no reason to upgrade to Haswell.
I already had a bit of bad feeling regarding the performance jump from Ivy to Haswell, that is why I was not waiting and simply upgrade my 3770k rig (great jump from Q6600+P5E X38+DDR2 800 system yes? hehehehe) about 1 month ago.

I am now watching the prices to plan an upgrade on my secondary rig (X4 965). I am looking at E3-1230V2 and FX8350....or perhaps E3-1230V3
I still haven't made my decision yet...well..it is only my secondary rig....

 

[diellur]

I was listening to a podcast today, and Haswell is showing a 16% performance boost on CPU duties between the i7-4770K and the i7-2600K. So, guestimating a but, but it's probably similar for the i5 'K' CPUs. Less between Ivy and Haswell. The reason I bring this up, and the reason I think that Haswell may not be a good choice is that there seems to be a heat issue when OCing...a big one.

It makes sense if you think about it. Ivy was hotter than Sandy due to the 22nm process, and Ivy tended to hit a thermal wall before Sandy does when OCing (some people still think Sandy CPUs are better for OCing due to this, if you read around on the forums). Haswell increase performance over Ivy yet again, on the same 22nm process, which means it's going to be hotter. There are some reports now coming out that Haswell is not OC-friendly, to the point that system builder companies that have been promising OCs in the region of 4.5GHz are now having to reduce this back to the 4.2GHz region.

Basically, Ivy may be a better bet if you want to OC your system!

 

[XXXX18]

That Xeon is interesting. Many people are saying that its got i7 performance at i5 price even though its a server cpu. Well guess i'm getting on the Haswell train. I have just ordered the cpu and motherboard. i5 4670K FTW!!!!

 

[guanyu210379]

What mobo if I may know?
Like posted befoe I am collecting info and prices info to upgrade my secondary X4 965 rig

 

[XXXX18]

What mobo if I may know?
Like posted befoe I am collecting info and prices info to upgrade my secondary X4 965 rig

Its a MSI Z87A-GD65 mobo. Link:http://geb.ebay.in/g/ImportHubViewItem?itemid=300915406463&MSI-Z87-GD65-GAMING-4th-Gen-Intel-Core-Z87-LGA-1150-DDR3-3000-OC-PCI-Ex-GEN3-
Got it for 319 USD due to customs and tax.🙁

 

[guanyu210379]

Thank you for the info.
GD65is nice but I dunno if the extra price worth to go up to GD65 from GD45

 

[mateau]

So what i've been meaning to do is building a new computer around one of the chips. If my mom and dad have their way, (sheesh) I will have to run the computer for about 6 years without buying any new parts. Here is the rest of my config:
MSI Z77A-GD45/MSI Z87-G45
Corsair Dominator Platinum 8gb
GTX 650 Ti BOOST SLi(Will get GTX 760)
Corsair Graphite 200r
Seasonic x650
(will be recycling HDD, SSD and DVD Drive)
Even though Haswell hasn't been launched in my country(India), i'm planning on getting it from eBay GEB, so I would like some advice.
Should I get an i5 4570 or i5 3570k? My dad is paying so he might reduce it to an i3. The rig will be used for playing every game I get(RPG, FPS, MMORPG etc etc) at 1920x1080.

Neither, Haswell is old tech already. AMD just rekeased FX-9590 a 5 ghz 8 core MONSTER that is sure to stomp all over Hasbeen. And the FX-950 is unlocked for overclocking!!!!!

 

[diellur]

Neither, Haswell is old tech already. AMD just rekeased FX-9590 a 5 ghz 8 core MONSTER that is sure to stomp all over Hasbeen. And the FX-950 is unlocked for overclocking!!!!!

1) Haswell is unlocked for overclocking too.
2) The FX-9590 is being sold to system integrators at launch, so won't be available yet as a standalone product.
3) AMD has lost so much ground on Intel, and it's extremely doubtful that the FX-9590 will cover it all

 

[XXXX18]

Neither, Haswell is old tech already. AMD just rekeased FX-9590 a 5 ghz 8 core MONSTER that is sure to stomp all over Hasbeen. And the FX-950 is unlocked for overclocking!!!!!

1) Haswell is unlocked for overclocking too.
2) The FX-9590 is being sold to system integrators at launch, so won't be available yet as a standalone product.
3) AMD has lost so much ground on Intel, and it's extremely doubtful that the FX-9590 will cover it all

Totally true, dude. Looking at the current FX 8 cores, the TDP could be anywhere from 125-200w. Electricity is expensive here so its not really viable for me.

 

[guanyu210379]

For those who favor that FX-9590 with about 200W TDP...enjoy your electricity bill 😀

 

[diellur]

Just for comparison, my 560Ti hits about 230W. That is a lot of juice for a CPU.

 

[mateau]

For those who favor that FX-9590 with about 200W TDP...enjoy your electricity bill 😀

Well the difference in the TDP is the cost of a 60 watt bulb. What electricity bill. Let's see 10 hours a day x 30 days =1.8 kw x $0.08 per kw/hour = 6 CENTS per month!!!!!

If you can't afford that you are in sad shape. That is something to laugh about. The TDP is relevant in the mobile and laptop ecosystem where battery life is critical. Arging over desktop TDP is laughable. Franly I don;t care how much power it consumes. The excess heat I can use to heat my house. An instant on TV consumes more electricity. Your toaster consumes more electricity burning your bread than you would use in a month.

 

[diellur]

Well done in selecting arbitrary low figures to prove a point. I could select high figures and prove it the other way. Setting up a straw man and knocking it down does not prove a point.

TDP is relevant for cooling and power supply sizing, especially where overclocking is concerned. A 200W TDP CPU in this day and age is poor design. So what if it can reach 5GHz...Sandy could do that 2-3 years ago. AMD have some good parts out there for lower end systems, better than Intel right now, but at the high end a CPU with a 200W TDP is simply not advisable.

And if you're the kind of person that would laugh at someone for not being able to afford electricity, especially nowadays, then I find you to be deeply unpleasant. Someone struggling financially is NEVER something to laugh about - you shouldn't tempt fate, as you may find yourself in that position yourself one day.

 

[mateau]

Well done in selecting arbitrary low figures to prove a point. I could select high figures and prove it the other way. Setting up a straw man and knocking it down does not prove a point.

TDP is relevant for cooling and power supply sizing, especially where overclocking is concerned. A 200W TDP CPU in this day and age is poor design. So what if it can reach 5GHz...Sandy could do that 2-3 years ago. AMD have some good parts out there for lower end systems, better than Intel right now, but at the high end a CPU with a 200W TDP is simply not advisable.

And if you're the kind of person that would laugh at someone for not being able to afford electricity, especially nowadays, then I find you to be deeply unpleasant. Someone struggling financially is NEVER something to laugh about - you shouldn't tempt fate, as you may find yourself in that position yourself one day.

Hmmm...you don't buy a Ferrari for the gas mileage. And your Ferrari is not a daily driver. Unless of course you can't afford to have a gaming rig just for performance software.