Question Just a quick theoretical question about the case/cpu fans ?

[zgzdgz]

Based on that, you have Belkin BSV804ca2M. And Darkbreeze actually spoke of that brand. Namely:


So, yeah, even i doubt your surge protector being able to protect properly against surges. It might catch small surges but lighting strike (with it's insane amounts of voltage) will go straight through it without issues.


How far is your new PSU?
Also, have you thought of getting an UPS as well?

Don't know actually, there are bunch of models on the appropriate price from Seasonic, but prime costs around 200~, there are gm, gx series and such y aknow, and as for the UPS, I remember that, APC, Fortronn, or the cyberware, might be the one I might get it in the future, though, can't say that I'm too worried about picking the right UPS, when current PSU could potentially burn the whole house.

 

[Aeacus]

but prime costs around 200~

Well, yeah. Great quality costs a lot. I payed €206.80 for my 1st PRIME 80+ Titanium and 2nd one costed me €205.50.

there are gm, gx series and such y aknow

These are Focus lineup and are of good quality.
Focus GM is semi-modular, 80+ Gold and has 7 years of warranty.
Focus GX is fully-modular, 80+ Gold and has 10 years of warranty.
Focus PX is fully-modular, 80+ Platinum and has 10 years of warranty.

For most people, Focus GX is best choice since it is affordable, good quality, long warranty and 80+ Gold efficiency.

But if you want the best, then;
PRIME GX - fully-modular, 80+ Gold, 12 years of warranty
PRIME PX - fully-modular, 80+ Platinum, 12 years of warranty
PRIME TX - fully-modular, 80+ Titanium, 12 years of warranty

Then, there's also the newest Vertex;
Vertex GX - fully-modular, 80+ Gold, 12 years of warranty
Vertex PX - fully-modular, 80+ Platinum, 12 years of warranty

(Need to contact Seasonic and ask if Vertex is between Focus and PRIME series, build quality wise, or equal to PRIME series.)

Seasonic lineup: https://seasonic.com/consumer/power-supplies

 

[zgzdgz]

Well, yeah. Great quality costs a lot. I payed €206.80 for my 1st PRIME 80+ Titanium and 2nd one costed me €205.50.


These are Focus lineup and are of good quality.
Focus GM is semi-modular, 80+ Gold and has 7 years of warranty.
Focus GX is fully-modular, 80+ Gold and has 10 years of warranty.
Focus PX is fully-modular, 80+ Platinum and has 10 years of warranty.

For most people, Focus GX is best choice since it is affordable, good quality, long warranty and 80+ Gold efficiency.

But if you want the best, then;
PRIME GX - fully-modular, 80+ Gold, 12 years of warranty
PRIME PX - fully-modular, 80+ Platinum, 12 years of warranty
PRIME TX - fully-modular, 80+ Titanium, 12 years of warranty

Then, there's also the newest Vertex;
Vertex GX - fully-modular, 80+ Gold, 12 years of warranty
Vertex PX - fully-modular, 80+ Platinum, 12 years of warranty

(Need to contact Seasonic and ask if Vertex is between Focus and PRIME series, build quality wise, or equal to PRIME series.)

Seasonic lineup: https://seasonic.com/consumer/power-supplies

Yeah, pretty much like 1000W for corsair rmx and dark power 13, I think. But probably either gx gm or px, it really depends from which shop I buy and when, since I had some pc hardware to sell to free up my damn room, I have bunch of boxes in my room, not to mention the components 😀

 

[Aeacus]

(Need to contact Seasonic and ask if Vertex is between Focus and PRIME series, build quality wise, or equal to PRIME series.)

So, i popped an email directly to Seasonic and got an answer as well.

Build quality wise, from best to lower, Seasonic series that support the latest ATX 3.0 PSU standard, rank as follows;
1. PRIME PX 1300 ATX 3.0 and PRIME TX 1300/1600 ATX 3.0
2. Vertex GX/PX
3. Focus GX ATX 3.0

Vertex GX/PX PSUs were the 1st PSUs from Seasonic that are ATX 3.0 compatible. Afterwards Seasonic modified existing PRIME PX/TX and Focus GX series to be compatible with ATX 3.0, hence why there are now PRIME PX/TX ATX 3.0 and Focus GX ATX 3.0 series, alongside original PRIME PX/TX and Focus GX series.

Original series ranking, pre-ATX 3.0 (excluding Syncro, Connect, PRIME fanless) are:
1. PRIME GX/PX/TX
2. Focus GX/PX
3. Focus GM
4. Core GC/GM/GX

There are more PSU series from Seasonic as well, like: G12 GM, G12 GC, B12 BM, B12 BC, A12, S12III, S12II Evo, Eco series but IMO, these series aren't worth the money. These are more for 3rd world country, where normal PSUs (e.g Focus series) are incredibly expensive. Though, S12III is really bad PSU and outsourced to RSY. So, not Seasonic made PSU even.

 

[zgzdgz]

So, i popped an email directly to Seasonic and got an answer as well.

Build quality wise, from best to lower, Seasonic series that support the latest ATX 3.0 PSU standard, rank as follows;
1. PRIME PX 1300 ATX 3.0 and PRIME TX 1300/1600 ATX 3.0
2. Vertex GX/PX
3. Focus GX ATX 3.0

Vertex GX/PX PSUs were the 1st PSUs from Seasonic that are ATX 3.0 compatible. Afterwards Seasonic modified existing PRIME PX/TX and Focus GX series to be compatible with ATX 3.0, hence why there are now PRIME PX/TX ATX 3.0 and Focus GX ATX 3.0 series, alongside original PRIME PX/TX and Focus GX series.

Original series ranking, pre-ATX 3.0 (excluding Syncro, Connect, PRIME fanless) are:
1. PRIME GX/PX/TX
2. Focus GX/PX
3. Focus GM
4. Core GC/GM/GX

There are more PSU series from Seasonic as well, like: G12 GM, G12 GC, B12 BM, B12 BC, A12, S12III, S12II Evo, Eco series but IMO, these series aren't worth the money. These are more for 3rd world country, where normal PSUs (e.g Focus series) are incredibly expensive. Though, S12III is really bad PSU and outsourced to RSY. So, not Seasonic made PSU even.

Thank you kindly! I think I am gonna with prime gx with 1000w rating, though I was able to find prime gold with 1000w, but it really matters from which local shop I am going to buy from, and there arent many seasonic prime psu available to be honest, majority are just different psus that dominate such as as Corsair, beQuiet!, and other brands, while seasonic is indeed hard to find. Also, does atx 3.0 and pcie 5.0 matters in psu, or it's just a new and different connection, which may be backward compatible.

 

[Aeacus]

while seasonic is indeed hard to find.

How about Super Flower and their Leadex series? In my nick of the woods, Super Flower is the one that is really hard to find, while Seasonic is common.

Also, does atx 3.0 and pcie 5.0 matters in psu, or it's just a new and different connection, which may be backward compatible.

There are more nuances what ATX 3.0 PSU standard brought, over previous ATX 2.5 standard. Seasonic has made a nice explanatory article about it,
article: https://seasonic.com/atx-3-0-standard

But most prominent feature is, that this adapter cable:

Is replaced with this direct cable:

At the end of that cable is the new +12VHPWR connector, that is in use with RTX 40-series GPUs.

When RTX 30-series launched, Nvidia made new power connector for GPUs, that can sustain higher wattage capacity than the regular 6-pin PCI-E (75W) and 8-pin PCI-E (150W). That connector was known as 12-pin PCI-E. Required adapters were included with each RTX 30-series GPU, where connector on one end, was 2x 8-pin PCI-E and on the other end, the new 12-pin PCI-E.

With RTX 40-series launch, Nvidia fine-tuned the new 12-pin PCI-E cable, adding additional 4 small pins (mostly "Sense" pins), making the connector essentially 16-pin PCI-E, what Nvidia called as +12VHPWR (+12 Volt High PoWeR) and with a rating of up to 600W, to be able to power RTX 4090. At first, another adapter was included with each GPU, and depending on a GPU, there were 3 different adapters;
1. 2x 8-pin PCI-E to +12VHWPR - 300W rating (used for up to RTX 4070)
2. 3x 8-pin PCI-E to +12VHWPR - 450W rating (used for up to RTX 4080)
3. 4x 8-pin PCI-E to +12VHWPR - 600W rating (used for up to RTX 4090) (1st image i linked)

To get rid of that adapter (since many of them melt when using RTX 4090), ATX PSU standard revised their specs for PSUs, and one such change was direct cable from PSU to +12VHPWR connector with a rating of 600W (2nd image i linked).
Another major change was that ATX 3.0 PSU has to be able to sustain twice the rated capacity for certain amount of time. This is to combat GPU transient power spikes.
And there are other changes too, that you can read form Seasonic article.

Currently unknown, but it is possible that Nvidia keeps the new +12VHPWR connector in use for their upcoming RTX 50-series GPUs (and possibly for all other upcoming GPU series as well). Though, AMD still uses the standard PCI-E 6-pin and 8-pin connectors on their GPUs, since +12VHPWR connector is Nvidia thing. Only time will tell if AMD also starts using the +12VHPWR connector on their Radeon GPUs or not. Or they develop their own, proprietary power connector for GPUs.

 

[zgzdgz]

How about Super Flower and their Leadex series? In my nick of the woods, Super Flower is the one that is really hard to find, while Seasonic is common.


There are more nuances what ATX 3.0 PSU standard brought, over previous ATX 2.5 standard. Seasonic has made a nice explanatory article about it,
article: https://seasonic.com/atx-3-0-standard

But most prominent feature is, that this adapter cable:

Is replaced with this direct cable:

At the end of that cable is the new +12VHPWR connector, that is in use with RTX 40-series GPUs.

When RTX 30-series launched, Nvidia made new power connector for GPUs, that can sustain higher wattage capacity than the regular 6-pin PCI-E (75W) and 8-pin PCI-E (150W). That connector was known as 12-pin PCI-E. Required adapters were included with each RTX 30-series GPU, where connector on one end, was 2x 8-pin PCI-E and on the other end, the new 12-pin PCI-E.

With RTX 40-series launch, Nvidia fine-tuned the new 12-pin PCI-E cable, adding additional 4 small pins (mostly "Sense" pins), making the connector essentially 16-pin PCI-E, what Nvidia called as +12VHPWR (+12 Volt High PoWeR) and with a rating of up to 600W, to be able to power RTX 4090. At first, another adapter was included with each GPU, and depending on a GPU, there were 3 different adapters;
1. 2x 8-pin PCI-E to +12VHWPR - 300W rating (used for up to RTX 4070)
2. 3x 8-pin PCI-E to +12VHWPR - 450W rating (used for up to RTX 4080)
3. 4x 8-pin PCI-E to +12VHWPR - 600W rating (used for up to RTX 4090) (1st image i linked)

To get rid of that adapter (since many of them melt when using RTX 4090), ATX PSU standard revised their specs for PSUs, and one such change was direct cable from PSU to +12VHPWR connector with a rating of 600W (2nd image i linked).
Another major change was that ATX 3.0 PSU has to be able to sustain twice the rated capacity for certain amount of time. This is to combat GPU transient power spikes.
And there are other changes too, that you can read form Seasonic article.

Currently unknown, but it is possible that Nvidia keeps the new +12VHPWR connector in use for their upcoming RTX 50-series GPUs (and possibly for all other upcoming GPU series as well). Though, AMD still uses the standard PCI-E 6-pin and 8-pin connectors on their GPUs, since +12VHPWR connector is Nvidia thing. Only time will tell if AMD also starts using the +12VHPWR connector on their Radeon GPUs or not. Or they develop their own, proprietary power connector for GPUs.

I see, so I was right about those damn called did indeed have melted as it was told in the news😄, also, since the time was of the essence, I was presented with a difficult choice, Either vertex gx, or prime gx, or corsair, so when I looked at the delivery dates, seasonic would be delivered as late as late christmas or a little before christmas, so, instead, I've gone with the Corsair 1000w RMx, which should arrive next monday, do you think that I've made a horrible choice sir?😔🙄

 

[Aeacus]

do you think that I've made a horrible choice sir?

Corsair RMx is good quality PSU, on par with Seasonic Focus GX series. So, no worries. Also, RMx comes with 10 years of warranty as well.

 

[zgzdgz]

Corsair RMx is good quality PSU, on par with Seasonic Focus GX series. So, no worries. Also, RMx comes with 10 years of warranty as well.

Really? RMx series that good? So TX and HX series would be like the prime/vertex maybe?

 

[Aeacus]

So TX and HX series would be like the prime/vertex maybe?

TX and TMx are iffy and i wouldn't suggest it to anyone. Mainly because several different OEMs have produced it over the years and it's hard to tell who's made PSU you'd be getting. In build quality wise, TX/TXm is almost on par to RMe, but slightly lower.

HX is lower from RMx due to HX platform age.
HXi is notch better from HX and would be comparable to Vertex in a way. Though, HXi is old, released in 2014, while Vertex is new, released in Q3 2022.

AX is better than HX but a bit worse than HXi. Then again, AX is discontinued and saw release back in 2010 (80+ Gold) and 2012 (80+ Platinum).
AXi is the flagship line from Corsair and that would be equal to Seasonic PRIME lineup. Of course, AXi is older as well, 2012 (80+ Platinum) and 2014 (80+ Titanium).

Corsair lineup, build quality wise, from worst to best, goes along the lines of (excluding lower end units, like VS and CX/CXm):
RM, TX/TXm, RMe, HX, AX, RMx/RMi, HXi, AXi.

RM, TX/TXm and RMe are mediocre quality. Good if you have office PC but not enough for dedicated GPU build.
HX and AX are way too old platform to be suggested at current date. Back in the day, there were good PSUs. (Just like Seasonic X-series, which platform Corsair AX uses.)
RMx/RMi are current, good quality units, on par with Seasonic Focus GX.
HXi is better and could be comparable to Vertex GX/PX, IF you don't consider the age of HXi platform.
AXi is also old but on par to Seasonic PRIME. Though, PRIME units are newer than AXi, so there's that as well.

 

[zgzdgz]

TX and TMx are iffy and i wouldn't suggest it to anyone. Mainly because several different OEMs have produced it over the years and it's hard to tell who's made PSU you'd be getting. In build quality wise, TX/TXm is almost on par to RMe, but slightly lower.

HX is lower from RMx due to HX platform age.
HXi is notch better from HX and would be comparable to Vertex in a way. Though, HXi is old, released in 2014, while Vertex is new, released in Q3 2022.

AX is better than HX but a bit worse than HXi. Then again, AX is discontinued and saw release back in 2010 (80+ Gold) and 2012 (80+ Platinum).
AXi is the flagship line from Corsair and that would be equal to Seasonic PRIME lineup. Of course, AXi is older as well, 2012 (80+ Platinum) and 2014 (80+ Titanium).

Corsair lineup, build quality wise, from worst to best, goes along the lines of (excluding lower end units, like VS and CX/CXm):
RM, TX/TXm, RMe, HX, AX, RMx/RMi, HXi, AXi.

RM, TX/TXm and RMe are mediocre quality. Good if you have office PC but not enough for dedicated GPU build.
HX and AX are way too old platform to be suggested at current date. Back in the day, there were good PSUs. (Just like Seasonic X-series, which platform Corsair AX uses.)
RMx/RMi are current, good quality units, on par with Seasonic Focus GX.
HXi is better and could be comparable to Vertex GX/PX, IF you don't consider the age of HXi platform.
AXi is also old but on par to Seasonic PRIME. Though, PRIME units are newer than AXi, so there's that as well.

Oh, I didn't knew that, if you have to pick just 3 best brands, what it would be? Also, I'm waiting for my esd bracelet to arrive, til then, I need to fix something inside the case, and since you've mentioned that I need to shut down the pc first and then leave it plugged it, to prevent any static discharge while I work on it, is that's correct ?

 

[Aeacus]

if you have to pick just 3 best brands, what it would be?

For me, the top 3 best PSU brands list is equal to top 3 best PSU OEMs: Seasonic, Super Flower, Flextronics (Corsair AXi).

Of course, Flextronics doesn't sell consumer PSUs under the name of Flextronics. Flextronics mainly makes server PSUs and only consumer PSU they make, is Corsair AXi. So, in that sense, if to look solely at brands, then NZXT would be 3rd PSU brand that i'd consider, IF Seasonic or Super Flower isn't available.

I need to fix something inside the case, and since you've mentioned that I need to shut down the pc first and then leave it plugged it, to prevent any static discharge while I work on it, is that's correct ?

Yes, but do flip the PSU switch at the back of the PSU (so that PSU doesn't feed standby voltage to MoBo). Given that your PSU does have that switch.
If not, disconnect PC from the mains fully and touch something else to ground yourself. E.g metal piping (water pipes, central heating system). Also, avoid standing on carpet, instead stay on bare floor.

When i service my PCs, i quite regularly touch the central heating system in our flat to ground myself. Essentially every time before i make deep dive into PC internals.

 

[zgzdgz]

For me, the top 3 best PSU brands list is equal to top 3 best PSU OEMs: Seasonic, Super Flower, Flextronics (Corsair AXi).

Of course, Flextronics doesn't sell consumer PSUs under the name of Flextronics. Flextronics mainly makes server PSUs and only consumer PSU they make, is Corsair AXi. So, in that sense, if to look solely at brands, then NZXT would be 3rd PSU brand that i'd consider, IF Seasonic or Super Flower isn't available.


Yes, but do flip the PSU switch at the back of the PSU (so that PSU doesn't feed standby voltage to MoBo). Given that your PSU does have that switch.
If not, disconnect PC from the mains fully and touch something else to ground yourself. E.g metal piping (water pipes, central heating system). Also, avoid standing on carpet, instead stay on bare floor.

When i service my PCs, i quite regularly touch the central heating system in our flat to ground myself. Essentially every time before i make deep dive into PC internals.

I see, well I have wooden floor, and on top of it, somekind of a transparent rubber carpet I guess.

 

[Aeacus]

transparent rubber carpet I guess

Rubber? Transparent? Do you mean floor protection?
E.g this thing:

If so, these are usually made out of plastic.
I have these too, to protect our hardwood floor from the wheels of our office/gamer chairs.

 

[zgzdgz]

Rubber? Transparent? Do you mean floor protection?
E.g this thing:

If so, these are usually made out of plastic.
I have these too, to protect our hardwood floor from the wheels of our office/gamer chairs.

Yeah exactly like one bud! But do they actually work as intented?

 

[Aeacus]

But do they actually work as intented?

Meaning preventing scratches to the hardwood or any other floor material? Yes.

Further reading (with image) what happens with unprotected wood floor under wheeled office/gaming chair,
reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeMainte...w_to_fix_damage_to_wooden_flooring_caused_by/

Or look at this way: which is cheaper;
* that transparent floor protector (mine cost ~€20 per piece)
* repairing floor damage (not to mention the eyesore it gives)

 

[zgzdgz]

Meaning preventing scratches to the hardwood or any other floor material? Yes.

Further reading (with image) what happens with unprotected wood floor under wheeled office/gaming chair,
reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeMainte...w_to_fix_damage_to_wooden_flooring_caused_by/

Or look at this way: which is cheaper;
* that transparent floor protector (mine cost ~€20 per piece)
* repairing floor damage (not to mention the eyesore it gives)

Yeah that would prevent from damaging the wooden floors, but what about the grounding, does it actually do same job as the wooden floor means that it doesnt carry esd?

 

[Aeacus]

does it actually do same job as the wooden floor means that it doesnt carry esd?

You need to find out what kind of plastic it is made off. It should be written on the retail box this floor protector comes in.
Once you know the material, you can research what kind of ESD properties this type of plastic has.

 

[zgzdgz]

You need to find out what kind of plastic it is made off. It should be written on the retail box this floor protector comes in.
Once you know the material, you can research what kind of ESD properties this type of plastic has.

I see, well from what I could tell, its like a soft rubber or plastic, cant find the label anywhere on the carper. By the way, I've installed the new PSU, it was a little pain to connect😄and when it was said that it wad "fully modular PSU" didnt made the job any easier😄. Too many damn connections, there was a mornint about the 20+4 pin cable, but I think it was related to what not to connect to the motherboard.

 

[Aeacus]

By the way, I've installed the new PSU, it was a little pain to connect😄and when it was said that it wad "fully modular PSU" didnt made the job any easier😄. Too many damn connections

Compared to fully-wired PSU, fully-modular PSU installation is a breeze. That is, if you make a plan 1st. Like separating out those cables that you need (e.g for my Skylake build: 24-pin ATX, 4/4-pin EPS, 8-pin PCI-E, one cable with 3x SATA power and one cable with 2x MOLEX power). Once cables are sorted, install PSU into PC case, connect cables to PSU and then into hardware itself. Cable routing can be a bit of work, especially when PC case doesn't have good cable routing in it.

With fully-wired PSU, all the leftover cables will get into the way + it is a headache where to store them afterwards, since you can't unplug them from the PSU. Often leaving ratsnest of cables just next to the PSU.

Looked around a bit in my image gallery and i don't have image of actual cable management in progress, but i do have image that compares stock power cables and CableMod custom sleeved cables that i installed.

Spoiler: Pic (click here to view)

Right: Before (stock cables)
Left: After (CableMod cables)

 

[zgzdgz]

Compared to fully-wired PSU, fully-modular PSU installation is a breeze. That is, if you make a plan 1st. Like separating out those cables that you need (e.g for my Skylake build: 24-pin ATX, 4/4-pin EPS, 8-pin PCI-E, one cable with 3x SATA power and one cable with 2x MOLEX power). Once cables are sorted, install PSU into PC case, connect cables to PSU and then into hardware itself. Cable routing can be a bit of work, especially when PC case doesn't have good cable routing in it.

With fully-wired PSU, all the leftover cables will get into the way + it is a headache where to store them afterwards, since you can't unplug them from the PSU. Often leaving ratsnest of cables just next to the PSU.

Looked around a bit in my image gallery and i don't have image of actual cable management in progress, but i do have image that compares stock power cables and CableMod custom sleeved cables that i installed.

Spoiler: Pic (click here to view)

Right: Before (stock cables)
Left: After (CableMod cables)

That's your setup? That looks pretty badass clean! Yeah rerouting is a bit or a lot of pain, since the rest of the cables hase to go somewhere in order to remain hidden. Though, hmm, I've always wondered if it was convenient to install fan in the psu shroud, I did it myself, but couldn't make any logic of it, exhaust or intake, does it make any difference?

 

[Aeacus]

That's your setup?

Yes, this is my main PC, known as Skylake.
More pics (essentially build log) and full specs are here: https://builds.gg/aeacus/skylake-802
You need to expand the entries under "Build Updates" to see the log with pics.

Then, i, of course built a PC for my missus as well. Her PC build log is here: https://builds.gg/aeacus/haswell-824

And i also have my old AMD build still around, that i one point refreshed as well. Build log: https://builds.gg/aeacus/amd-833

That looks pretty badass clean!

Thank you. What you see, is a lot of effort and dedication.

Though, hmm, I've always wondered if it was convenient to install fan in the psu shroud, I did it myself, but couldn't make any logic of it, exhaust or intake, does it make any difference?

I personally don't like PSU shrouds. Sure, my old AMD build has PC case with PSU shroud but i was more after the black&green theme of the PC case than PSU shroud.
I'd rather look at my nice (and top quality) PSU + cable management, than some sheet of metal, that hides entire PSU.

When you install fan on PSU shroud, then from where the fan is supposed to get the air from (if fan is intake, sucking air from below) or to where the fan is supposed to push the air (if you install it as exhaust, blowing air down, under PSU shroud)? Since space under PSU shroud is closed off, with little airflow paths.
Now, if your PC case has bottom mounted fan, like my PC case has, then it is different story. In this case, PSU shroud would block the bottom intake fan airflow and PSU shroud isn't needed at all.

 

[zgzdgz]

Yes, this is my main PC, known as Skylake.
More pics (essentially build log) and full specs are here: https://builds.gg/aeacus/skylake-802
You need to expand the entries under "Build Updates" to see the log with pics.

Then, i, of course built a PC for my missus as well. Her PC build log is here: https://builds.gg/aeacus/haswell-824

And i also have my old AMD build still around, that i one point refreshed as well. Build log: https://builds.gg/aeacus/amd-833


Thank you. What you see, is a lot of effort and dedication.


I personally don't like PSU shrouds. Sure, my old AMD build has PC case with PSU shroud but i was more after the black&green theme of the PC case than PSU shroud.
I'd rather look at my nice (and top quality) PSU + cable management, than some sheet of metal, that hides entire PSU.

When you install fan on PSU shroud, then from where the fan is supposed to get the air from (if fan is intake, sucking air from below) or to where the fan is supposed to push the air (if you install it as exhaust, blowing air down, under PSU shroud)? Since space under PSU shroud is closed off, with little airflow paths.
Now, if your PC case has bottom mounted fan, like my PC case has, then it is different story. In this case, PSU shroud would block the bottom intake fan airflow and PSU shroud isn't needed at all.

I dont know if you can see it, but thats the link of my case:

https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/2049

I think its in the same place as hdd cage, couldnt figure it out about where should keep your hdd, up or bottom😄

 

[Aeacus]

Silent Base 802? Quite interesting PC case, and like common for Be Quiet!, you can also use inverted layout.

As of where to put HDD; If you put it above PSU shroud, it would have better cooling since it is just behind front intake fans. Albeit, it might be an eyesore (some people like their PC internals to look clear/clean). But if you put the HDD under the PSU shroud, thus hiding it, it would have cooling issues since under there, there is no airflow (unless you've mounted one of the front intake fans as low as possible).

I don't have any HDDs in my system anymore, so, i don't have issues with it's placement. 😀 Though, i still keep the modular 3.5" HDD cage (3 slot) in my PC because i have my NZXT HUE+ installed into one of the slots. And in other two slots, i have my 2.5" SSDs. Which i could mount vertically next to the back panel as well, but i haven't bothered to do that. I don't mind the HDD cage i have in my PC.

Oh, since i have Corsair 760T V2 Black PC case,
specs: https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/p/pc-...s-760t-full-tower-windowed-case-cc-9011073-ww

i can install loads of modular 3.5" cages, e.g like so:
image in reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarde...ly_im_prepared_to_become_a_true_data_hoarder/

That image is of Corsair 750D (same PC case as my missus'es PC has), but same is also true for my 760T.
I just love the expandability and modularity of my Corsair cases.

 

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Silent Base 802? Quite interesting PC case, and like common for Be Quiet!, you can also use inverted layout.

As of where to put HDD; If you put it above PSU shroud, it would have better cooling since it is just behind front intake fans. Albeit, it might be an eyesore (some people like their PC internals to look clear/clean). But if you put the HDD under the PSU shroud, thus hiding it, it would have cooling issues since under there, there is no airflow (unless you've mounted one of the front intake fans as low as possible).

I don't have any HDDs in my system anymore, so, i don't have issues with it's placement. 😀 Though, i still keep the modular 3.5" HDD cage (3 slot) in my PC because i have my NZXT HUE+ installed into one of the slots. And in other two slots, i have my 2.5" SSDs. Which i could mount vertically next to the back panel as well, but i haven't bothered to do that. I don't mind the HDD cage i have in my PC.

Oh, since i have Corsair 760T V2 Black PC case,
specs: https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/p/pc-...s-760t-full-tower-windowed-case-cc-9011073-ww

i can install loads of modular 3.5" cages, e.g like so:
image in reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarde...ly_im_prepared_to_become_a_true_data_hoarder/

That image is of Corsair 750D (same PC case as my missus'es PC has), but same is also true for my 760T.
I just love the expandability and modularity of my Corsair cases.

That's looks pretty bitchin Case brother! So I guess getting rid of the hdds and putting the intake fan on the bottom of the caser would be a better idea I guess. But unfortunately due to the routing of the cables, I wouldn't able to put the fan on the bottom since I routed the pcie, mobo, and the cpu cables from the PSU, since going sideways, seems to put a lot of strain on those power cables.