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Dear MSI,

Who the hell designed this motherboard? And did anybody ever test it?

One of the SATA ports is covered up when you install an AGP card, thus
rendering it useless. This completely ruins everything I wanted to do
with it.

Also, because of certain components on the motherboard, the back audio
panel does not fit.
I suspect the firewire port will have the same problem but as I
didn't even get one in the box, I don't know for sure.

And finally, for now, The Win DVD disc claims to have a translation
program on it but it doesn't.

Very shoddy in my opinion. I should have got a Gigabyte.

Benny T
 
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And furthermore, I cannot get both IDE channels to use DMA.
The first hard drive is therefore very slow and makes a noise like a
tank.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:00:15 GMT, Benny Turpentine <me@yem.not> wrote:

>
>Dear MSI,
>
>Who the hell designed this motherboard? And did anybody ever test it?
>
>One of the SATA ports is covered up when you install an AGP card, thus
>rendering it useless. This completely ruins everything I wanted to do
>with it.
>
>Also, because of certain components on the motherboard, the back audio
>panel does not fit.
> I suspect the firewire port will have the same problem but as I
>didn't even get one in the box, I don't know for sure.
>
>And finally, for now, The Win DVD disc claims to have a translation
>program on it but it doesn't.
>
>Very shoddy in my opinion. I should have got a Gigabyte.
>
>Benny T
 
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On 4/19/2004 6:02 AM Benny Turpentine brightened our day with:

>And furthermore, I cannot get both IDE channels to use DMA.
>The first hard drive is therefore very slow and makes a noise like a
>tank.
>
>
>
>
If you want to contact MSI try:
support@msi.com.tw
I don't think they monitor this newsgroup

--
Steve [Inglo]
 
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"Benny Turpentine" <me@yem.not> wrote in message
news:fbj78052582crcfhj144ipgmtqcu78af8d@4ax.com...
>
> And furthermore, I cannot get both IDE channels to use DMA.
> The first hard drive is therefore very slow and makes a noise like a
> tank.

Are you using proper 80wire IDE cables for both IDE channels ? If you use
the older type (40wire) cable, it will not allow it to work at full speed.
The cable supplied with the board is ok, so if it still does not work, try
downloading the latest nFORCE drivers from Nvidia - they have now included a
better IDE driver - http://www.nvidia.co.uk/content/drivers/drivers_uk.asp

>
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:00:15 GMT, Benny Turpentine <me@yem.not> wrote:
>
> >
> >Dear MSI,
> >
> >Who the hell designed this motherboard? And did anybody ever test it?
> >
> >One of the SATA ports is covered up when you install an AGP card, thus
> >rendering it useless. This completely ruins everything I wanted to do
> >with it.

On my board the SATA ports are nowhere near the AGP slot - have they changed
the design? - I even looked at the latest manual (v1.3) from MSI and it
shows a board version M-6570 v1.x with SATA ports behind PCI slots 3 and 5 -
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/manual/mnu/spt_mnu_detail.php?UID=436&kind=1

> >
> >Also, because of certain components on the motherboard, the back audio
> >panel does not fit.

Yes, The 3 audio sockets don't match the back panel supplied with the PC
case - but MSI included a matching one with the board, so yours must have
been missing from the box.
There should also be another bracket supplied for the SPDIF and rear audio
channels.



> > I suspect the firewire port will have the same problem but as I
> >didn't even get one in the box, I don't know for sure.

I got the firewire port supplied as standard with my ILSR board - was your
box sealed when you bought it?

> >
> >And finally, for now, The Win DVD disc claims to have a translation
> >program on it but it doesn't.

Yes, I agree - it implies there is another program on the disc which is
missing - but I don't rate most of the software supplied free with boards
anyway.

> >
> >Very shoddy in my opinion. I should have got a Gigabyte.
> >
> >Benny T
>

The K7NT Delta ILSR is not all that bad - Worst thing was the Nvidia nForce2
chipset, which caused problems for many people - mostly now resolved with
the long-awaited driver updates.

Dave
 
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:57:59 +0000 (UTC), "logized"
<no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:

>
>"Benny Turpentine" <me@yem.not> wrote in message
>news:fbj78052582crcfhj144ipgmtqcu78af8d@4ax.com...
>>
>> And furthermore, I cannot get both IDE channels to use DMA.
>> The first hard drive is therefore very slow and makes a noise like a
>> tank.
>
>Are you using proper 80wire IDE cables for both IDE channels ? If you use
>the older type (40wire) cable, it will not allow it to work at full speed.
>The cable supplied with the board is ok, so if it still does not work, try
>downloading the latest nFORCE drivers from Nvidia - they have now included a
>better IDE driver - http://www.nvidia.co.uk/content/drivers/drivers_uk.asp

Yes, the ones with blue, grey & black ends. I'll get the nVidia update
though, cheers.

>> >
>> >One of the SATA ports is covered up when you install an AGP card, thus
>> >rendering it useless. This completely ruins everything I wanted to do
>> >with it.
>
>On my board the SATA ports are nowhere near the AGP slot - have they changed
>the design? - I even looked at the latest manual (v1.3) from MSI and it
>shows a board version M-6570 v1.x with SATA ports behind PCI slots 3 and 5 -
>http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/manual/mnu/spt_mnu_detail.php?UID=436&kind=1

Yes my mistake. I think my vision was clouded with my initial rage at
the other things when I installed the graphics card. d'oh!


>> >
>> >Also, because of certain components on the motherboard, the back audio
>> >panel does not fit.
>
>Yes, The 3 audio sockets don't match the back panel supplied with the PC
>case - but MSI included a matching one with the board, so yours must have
>been missing from the box.

There wasn't a different panel with it. Perhaps it's the case design
as when I try to put the audio panel in it hits pins and capacitors
and whatnot.

>There should also be another bracket supplied for the SPDIF and rear audio
>channels.

Yes got that but when the first bit didn't work I didn't bother
fitting it., Maybe it's time to get the grinder out.
>
>> > I suspect the firewire port will have the same problem but as I
>> >didn't even get one in the box, I don't know for sure.
>
>I got the firewire port supplied as standard with my ILSR board - was your
>box sealed when you bought it?

It was sealed but not in plastic, just a sticker over the edge of the
box. I hope the shop has another one in stock cos I'm going to want
these bits from that box.

>> >
>> >And finally, for now, The Win DVD disc claims to have a translation
>> >program on it but it doesn't.
>
>Yes, I agree - it implies there is another program on the disc which is
>missing - but I don't rate most of the software supplied free with boards
>anyway.
>

Yeah I know and I wouldn't normally complain about such a thing but
I was on a roll. 🙂

>>
>
>The K7NT Delta ILSR is not all that bad - Worst thing was the Nvidia nForce2
>chipset, which caused problems for many people - mostly now resolved with
>the long-awaited driver updates.
>
>Dave

Hopefully things'll be better once I've upped the bios and drivers,
cheers.
 
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:00:15 GMT, Benny Turpentine <me@yem.not> wrote:

>
>Dear MSI,
>
>Who the hell designed this motherboard? And did anybody ever test it?
>
>One of the SATA ports is covered up when you install an AGP card, thus
>rendering it useless. This completely ruins everything I wanted to do
>with it.
>

Sorry, my mistake. I think my vision was clouded with my initial rage
at the other things when I installed the graphics card. d'oh!
There is nothing wrong with the SATA ports.
 
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:37:15 GMT, Inglo
<ingloogoo@zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.xcc> wrote:

>On 4/19/2004 6:02 AM Benny Turpentine brightened our day with:
>
>>And furthermore, I cannot get both IDE channels to use DMA.
>>The first hard drive is therefore very slow and makes a noise like a
>>tank.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>If you want to contact MSI try:
>support@msi.com.tw
>I don't think they monitor this newsgroup


Thanks, I couldn't find an e-mail address on their site but there was
a link to this group.
 
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A drive not running in DMA mode will be no more noisy than a drive running in DMA mode, excessive noise is an indication of
impending drive failure.

--

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"Benny Turpentine" <me@yem.not> wrote in message news:fbj78052582crcfhj144ipgmtqcu78af8d@4ax.com...
>
> And furthermore, I cannot get both IDE channels to use DMA.
> The first hard drive is therefore very slow and makes a noise like a
> tank.
>
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:00:15 GMT, Benny Turpentine <me@yem.not> wrote:
>
> >
> >Dear MSI,
> >
> >Who the hell designed this motherboard? And did anybody ever test it?
> >
> >One of the SATA ports is covered up when you install an AGP card, thus
> >rendering it useless. This completely ruins everything I wanted to do
> >with it.
> >
> >Also, because of certain components on the motherboard, the back audio
> >panel does not fit.
> > I suspect the firewire port will have the same problem but as I
> >didn't even get one in the box, I don't know for sure.
> >
> >And finally, for now, The Win DVD disc claims to have a translation
> >program on it but it doesn't.
> >
> >Very shoddy in my opinion. I should have got a Gigabyte.
> >
> >Benny T
>
 
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:57:59 +0000 (UTC), "logized"
<no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:

>
>"Benny Turpentine" <me@yem.not> wrote in message
>news:fbj78052582crcfhj144ipgmtqcu78af8d@4ax.com...
>>
>> And furthermore, I cannot get both IDE channels to use DMA.
>> The first hard drive is therefore very slow and makes a noise like a
>> tank.
>
>Are you using proper 80wire IDE cables for both IDE channels ? If you use
>the older type (40wire) cable, it will not allow it to work at full speed.
>The cable supplied with the board is ok, so if it still does not work, try
>downloading the latest nFORCE drivers from Nvidia - they have now included a
>better IDE driver - http://www.nvidia.co.uk/content/drivers/drivers_uk.asp

I just got this model yesterday and spent last night installing it.

With HD Tach my Hard Drive gets a sustained transfer rate of 30
meg/second with the standard transfer rate of 30 meg per second with
the standard CD drivers, I havn`t had chance to update all the drivers
yet.


>
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:00:15 GMT, Benny Turpentine <me@yem.not> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Dear MSI,
>> >
>> >Who the hell designed this motherboard? And did anybody ever test it?
>> >
>> >One of the SATA ports is covered up when you install an AGP card, thus
>> >rendering it useless. This completely ruins everything I wanted to do
>> >with it.
>
>On my board the SATA ports are nowhere near the AGP slot - have they changed
>the design? - I even looked at the latest manual (v1.3) from MSI and it
>shows a board version M-6570 v1.x with SATA ports behind PCI slots 3 and 5 -
>http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/manual/mnu/spt_mnu_detail.php?UID=436&kind=1
>
same here.
>> >
>> >Also, because of certain components on the motherboard, the back audio
>> >panel does not fit.
>
>Yes, The 3 audio sockets don't match the back panel supplied with the PC
>case - but MSI included a matching one with the board, so yours must have
>been missing from the box.
>There should also be another bracket supplied for the SPDIF and rear audio
>channels.
The point I think is that it is really quite difficult to place the
bracket in the case without interfering components

>
>
>
>> > I suspect the firewire port will have the same problem but as I
>> >didn't even get one in the box, I don't know for sure.
>
>I got the firewire port supplied as standard with my ILSR board - was your
>box sealed when you bought it?
>
>> >
>> >And finally, for now, The Win DVD disc claims to have a translation
>> >program on it but it doesn't.
>
>Yes, I agree - it implies there is another program on the disc which is
>missing - but I don't rate most of the software supplied free with boards
>anyway.
>
>> >
>> >Very shoddy in my opinion. I should have got a Gigabyte.
>> >
>> >Benny T
>>
>
>The K7NT Delta ILSR is not all that bad - Worst thing was the Nvidia nForce2
>chipset, which caused problems for many people - mostly now resolved with
>the long-awaited driver updates.

In my very short experience the only problem i`ve had is and
incompatibility with the board and the Radeon 7200 drivers which
caused XP to crash
>
>Dave
>
>

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