Kyro II and system Problems

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I have AMD athalon 1.2ghz, 256mb DDR ram, FIC AD11 mb, Kyro II video card.

When I run 3dmark2000, My scores seem to be around 4200. For a card that is as good as they say it is, this seems kinda low. Is there anyway that I can tweak my system to get better performance. Also, the video card seems to not handle lots of motion very well. I get out of sync video in the benchmarking tools. Any suggestions on improving this?

I just bought and built this system. and things just dont seem to be working very well.

Any ideas are appreciated, thanks.
 
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This is the best I could get from all the tweaking I performed. According to Madonion - others with slower processors have benched higher the I.

CPU AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1232 Mhz
3D Accelerator 3D Prophet 4500
Graphics Chipset Unknown
Resolution 1024x768 32bit
Z-Buffer Depth 32bit
Frame Buffer Triple
CPU Optimization AMD Athlon(tm)

3DMark Result 4358 3D marks
CPU Speed -6 CPU 3D marks

Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail 84.7 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail 53.8 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail 20.2 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail 115.7 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail 57.2 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail 31.6 FPS

Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 347.2 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 347.2 MTexels/s

High Polygon Count (1 Light) 2354.6 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (4 Lights) 2249.2 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 2072.2 KTriangles/s

8MB Texture Rendering Speed 296.8 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed 294.6 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed 265.8 FPS
64MB Texture Rendering Speed 47.2 FPS

Bump Mapping (Emboss 3-pass) 195.8 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss 2-pass) 174.1 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss 1-pass) 170.7 FPS
Bump Mapping (Environment) 79.6 FPS
 

phsstpok

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With 3DMark2K most people run the default benchmark which is 1024x768x16 not 32. What score do you get with the default benchmark?

<b>Update:</b> I forgot the Kyros don't do well with 16-bit color. I'd still be interested in your score.

Incidentally, with 32-bit colors, your score is higher than most of the scores posted for the Geforce GTS/PRO, regardless of processor speed. The highest score is only 4905. You have to look at Geforce 2 Ultras and Geforce 3's for higher scores than that and the Kyro II won't compete in that league, not at 1024x768. (Maybe at higher resolutions it will).

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phsstpok on 05/25/01 11:04 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
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Here is what I have, regardless of what my scores say, the graphics still look choppy and out of sync. My system even pauses in the middle of some of the tests at random intervals. Seems like some kind of bandwidth issue.


CPU AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1232 Mhz
3D Accelerator 3D Prophet 4500
Graphics Chipset Unknown
Resolution 1024x768 16bit
Z-Buffer Depth 16bit
Frame Buffer Triple
CPU Optimization AMD Athlon(tm)


3DMark Result 4394 3D marks
CPU Speed 226 CPU 3D marks

Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail 87.3 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail 55.2 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail 20.3 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail 112.7 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail 58.7 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail 32.0 FPS

Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 348.2 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 348.1 MTexels/s

High Polygon Count (1 Light) 2340.0 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (4 Lights) 2250.4 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 2069.6 KTriangles/s

8MB Texture Rendering Speed 384.6 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed 374.5 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed 307.0 FPS
64MB Texture Rendering Speed 20.1 FPS

Bump Mapping (Emboss 3-pass) 212.9 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss 2-pass) 194.6 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss 1-pass) 192.8 FPS
Bump Mapping (Environment) 85.2 FPS

16bit color score comparison
9232 210% NVIDIA GeForce2 Ultra
8006 182% NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/Pro
7470 170% NVIDIA Quadro2/Pro
6108 138% NVIDIA GeForce DDR
6020 136% NVIDIA GeForce SDR
5875 133% Unknown
5620 127% NVIDIA GeForce2 MX
5617 127% 3dfx Voodoo5 5500
5354 121% ATI RADEON DDR
5327 121% NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/Pro
4818 109% 3dfx Voodoo5 5500
4394 100% 3D Prophet 4500
4135 94% ATI RAGE FURY MAXX
3599 81% 3dfx Voodoo3 2000/3000
3573 81% NVIDIA RIVA TNT2/Pro
3492 79% 3dfx Voodoo3 2000/3000

Previous 32bit color score comparison
6716 154% NVIDIA GeForce2 Ultra
6548 150% NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/Pro
4652 106% ATI RADEON DDR
4358 100% 3D Prophet 4500

Processor comparison at 32bit test
4952 113% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1008Mhz
4358 100% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1232 Mhz
4213 96% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 800Mhz
4100 94% Intel Pentium III 875Mhz
4081 93% AMD Duron(tm) Processor 800Mhz
4000 91% Intel Pentium III 800Mhz
3655 83% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1000Mhz
3403 78% Intel Pentium III 733Mhz
3190 73% AMD Duron(tm) Processor 700Mhz
3129 71% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 900Mhz
3127 71% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 800Mhz
3082 70% Intel Pentium III 600Mhz
3048 69% Intel Pentium III 450Mhz
2796 64% Intel Pentium III 550Mhz
2682 61% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1008Mhz
1715 39% Intel Pentium III 700Mhz
1689 38% Intel Pentium III 800Mhz
996 22% Intel Pentium III 550Mhz
931 21% Intel Pentium III 500Mhz

Processor comparison at 16bit
7900 179% Intel Pentium 4 1483Mhz
7502 170% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1288Mhz
7210 164% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1200Mhz
6633 150% Intel Pentium 4 1288Mhz
6599 150% Intel Pentium 4 1495Mhz
6568 149% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1120Mhz
6485 147% Intel Pentium III 1120Mhz
5937 135% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1100Mhz
5837 132% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 958Mhz
5825 132% Intel Pentium III 900Mhz
5791 131% Intel Pentium III 916Mhz
5676 129% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 680Mhz
5645 128% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1050Mhz
5627 128% AMD Duron(tm) Processor 896Mhz
5549 126% Intel Pentium III 748Mhz
5537 126% Intel Pentium III 896Mhz
5532 125% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 950Mhz
5479 124% AMD Duron(tm) Processor 1100Mhz
5477 124% Intel Pentium III 825Mhz
5047 114% AMD Duron(tm) Processor 958Mhz
5030 114% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1000Mhz
4990 113% AMD Duron(tm) Processor 875Mhz
4983 113% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 862Mhz
4975 113% Intel Celeron 952Mhz
4970 113% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 900Mhz
4957 112% Intel Pentium III 958Mhz
4926 112% Intel Pentium III 862Mhz
4882 111% Intel Pentium III 875Mhz
4881 111% Intel Pentium III 784Mhz
4877 110% AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 850Mhz
4873 110% AMD Duron(tm) Processor 748Mhz
** My processor doesn't even so up it is so much lower. This is supposed to be with the same video card, just differnet processors
 
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I've heard that the current direct x 8a has a bug will the kyro cards. they didn't enable an option for it the the cards can do.
3dmark is a directx benchmark and is affected.
 
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that is strange...
my kyro 2 is extremelly fluid on 3dmark2000!
I get with a duron 800 close to 4000...

maybe you could visit this site and post there your problem...
I am sure they could help you ...
<A HREF="http://212.227.228.93/pky/discus/messages/1/1.html?990777617" target="_new">http://212.227.228.93/pky/discus/messages/1/1.html?990777617</A>
 
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or here
<A HREF="http://pvr.gamestats.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/forums.cgi?forum=1" target="_new">http://pvr.gamestats.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/forums.cgi?forum=1</A>
 

phsstpok

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4000! I thought the Kyro II could do better than this.

In 3dMark2000 on a Geforce256 SDR at 1024x768x32 I get <A HREF="http://gamershq.madonion.com/products/orb/?publish_compare.shtml?&project_type=1&dprid=1213149" target="_new">3808</A> and at 1024x768x16 I get <A HREF="http://gamershq.madonion.com/products/orb/?publish_compare.shtml?&project_type=1&dprid=1377235&search=1" target="_new">5644</A>.

I think I will avoid the Kyro II until all the problems are worked out. I had (and still have) high hopes for it.
 
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we are speaking of a non T&L card here...
I have a low end cpu...
there are already many people saying that kyro 2 get more than 6000 in 3dmark 2000 with pentium 4 ...
By the way the results in 1280x1024x32 are very similar than 1024x768

but...
I don't play 3dmark much
;)
 

phsstpok

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Have a Duron myself but it and my graphics card are overclocked as far as I can get them and working well in games that I currently play. However, I can't avoid an upgrade much longer.

but...
I don't play 3dmark much
Maybe not but I plan on playing Max Payne when it is available and it is driven by the Max-FX Engine which also happens to drive 3DMark2001.

I just hope whatever is hindering performance in 3DMark2001 and 3DMark2000 is eventually explained (and resolved).

Just because the problem only shows up in a benchmark now, it doesn't mean that it won't appear in a game later.
 
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Im beginning to think it is my motherboard. I have my soundcard, scsi card, capture card, video card all on IRQ 11. No matter what I do in the bios I cannot change the IRQ's for all four of these. I think this is why my scores are so low. My videocard is trying to share timeslots with the rest of my cards. I have an FIC AD11 with the bios dating 1/01. I have tried to flash the bios but It won't recognize the flash file. Any suggestions or Ideas. Anybody familiar with tweaking this motherboard
 

phsstpok

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All on the same IRQ, I heard Windows 2000 does that but I'm not sure as I don't use it. Are you using Windows 2000? If you are I just read somewhere (maybe in these forums) that you can assign a higher priorty to your game (or benchmark) to get better performance. Maybe that would help.

As for flashing a new BIOS. Is there a jumper or a BIOS setting that has to be set before you can flash?
 
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I have loaded both 98 and 2k. both seem to have the same IRQ issue. Jumper wise, I have not seen one for flashing. there is a setting in the bios that I have changed which is supposed to allow me to flash it, but it doesnt seem to recognize the image. I have downloaded the proper image twice. and tryied two different floppies. Still no go on this.
 
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look here <A HREF="http://pvr.gamestats.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=1&topic=155" target="_new">http://pvr.gamestats.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=1&topic=155</A>

there is a guy here that gets more than 7000 points with kyro 2 ...
;)
 

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I am running a Athalon T Bird 900mhz Kyro 2 card 128 megs of ram Iget4283 with the 3dmark 2000 and 1596 with the 3dmark 2001 and I am using Direct X 8a......Alot better marks than my VooDoo 3 3500 card......
 
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you would get more 30-40% more score in 3dmark 2k if you used directx7 instead...

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by lusitano on 05/27/01 06:15 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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