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Hi
if an land becomes an additional land type

for example an plain becomes in addtion to its type an island

what kind of mana does it produce?

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:37:03 +0200, Boas Enkler <info@it-design.biz> wrote:
>if an land becomes an additional land type
>
>for example an plain becomes in addtion to its type an island
>
>what kind of mana does it produce?

For this specific case, it can produce white mana, or blue mana.

Normally, when a land becomes a basic land type, it loses all text it has and
gets the text appropriate to that basic land type. However, you're asking about
the special Blanket of Night change which says it also retains its previous
type; in that case, it doesn't lose its old text, but does get the new text.

For your example, that means this Plains still has "Tap: Add W to your mana
pool.", and has also gotten the text "Tap: Add U to your mana pool."; it
has the land subtypes Plains and Island both.

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Boas Enkler wrote:

> Hi
> if an land becomes an additional land type
>
> for example an plain becomes in addtion to its type an island
>
> what kind of mana does it produce?
>
White or blue, your choice. A land of type Island can always be tapped
for blue. A land of type Plains can always be tapped for white. These
are intrinsic properties of the land types Island and Plains.

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Boas Enkler wrote:
> Hi
> if an land becomes an additional land type
>
> for example an plain becomes in addtion to its type an island
>
> what kind of mana does it produce?
>

If it's really in addition to the old type it produces either U or W.

If it changes its type it can't produce mana of the old basic land type
anymore.

What card are you thinking of by the way ?

212.6d The basic land types are Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, and
Forest. If an object uses the words "basic land type,� it's referring to
one of these subtypes. A land with a basic land type has an intrinsic
ability to produce colored mana. (See rule 406, "Mana Abilities.�) The
land is treated as if its text box included, "{T}: Add [mana symbol] to
your mana pool,� even if the text box doesn't actually contain text.
Plains produce white mana; Islands, blue; Swamps, black; Mountains, red;
and Forests, green.

212.6e If an effect changes a land's type to one or more of the basic
land types, the land no longer has its old land type. It loses any rules
text it had in its text box, and it gains the rules text for the
appropriate mana ability for each of its basic land types. Note that
this doesn't remove any abilities that were granted to the land by other
effects. Changing a land's type doesn't add or remove any types (such as
creature) or supertypes (such as basic, legendary, and snow-covered) the
land may have. If a land gains one or more land types in addition to its
own, it keeps its land types and rules text, and it gains the new land
types and mana abilities.

 

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:24:57 +0200, "M.Z." <Mazworld@gmx.de> wrote:

>212.6d The basic land types are Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, and
>Forest. If an object uses the words “basic land type,” it’s referring to
>one of these subtypes. A land with a basic land type has an intrinsic
>ability to produce colored mana. (See rule 406, “Mana Abilities.”) The
>land is treated as if its text box included, “{T}: Add [mana symbol] to
>your mana pool,” even if the text box doesn’t actually contain text.

Why is this a separate ruling as opposed to "all cards are played by
oracle wording", which catches things like the textless Terror (or for
that matter (sometimes badly) translated foreign cards)? Just because
there are so many Basic Lands without text?

Jasper

 

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Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>"M.Z." <Mazworld@gmx.de> wrote:
>>212.6d The basic land types are Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, and
>>Forest. If an object uses the words “basic land type,” it’s referring to
>>one of these subtypes. A land with a basic land type has an intrinsic
>>ability to produce colored mana. (See rule 406, “Mana Abilities.”) The
>>land is treated as if its text box included, “{T}: Add [mana symbol] to
>>your mana pool,” even if the text box doesn’t actually contain text.
>
>Why is this a separate ruling as opposed to "all cards are played by
>oracle wording", which catches things like the textless Terror (or for
>that matter (sometimes badly) translated foreign cards)? Just because
>there are so many Basic Lands without text?

Take a look at current Oracle wording (and the wording for quite a few
iterations backwards) for the basic lands. I'll wait ...

Doesn't _say_ "Tap: Add <color> to your mana pool." there, does it? It
just says [<color>], like the card. I think it was a really bad idea to
leave the basic lands' actual -ability- off them completely - if nothing
else, it contributes greatly to the "lands are mana, right?" fallacy among
newbies - but WotC did it, apparently for aesthetic reasons, several years
ago, and they're not going back on it. 212.6d is there so that something
DOES give the text of the ability basic lands have - since the lands
themselves, AND ORACLE, don't do so.

Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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Jasper Janssen wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:24:57 +0200, "M.Z." <Mazworld@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>>212.6d The basic land types are Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, and
>>Forest. If an object uses the words “basic land type,” it’s referring to
>>one of these subtypes. A land with a basic land type has an intrinsic
>>ability to produce colored mana. (See rule 406, “Mana Abilities.”) The
>>land is treated as if its text box included, “{T}: Add [mana symbol] to
>>your mana pool,” even if the text box doesn’t actually contain text.
>
> Why is this a separate ruling as opposed to "all cards are played by
> oracle wording"

Because the oracle wording of these cards don't have any rules text
in them. Look it up.

> , which catches things like the textless Terror (or for
> that matter (sometimes badly) translated foreign cards)? Just because
> there are so many Basic Lands without text?

*All* basic lands are without text. As per Oracle.
>
> Jasper

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On 24 Apr 2005 12:10:29 -0400, dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney)
wrote:
>Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:

>>Why is this a separate ruling as opposed to "all cards are played by
>>oracle wording", which catches things like the textless Terror (or for
>>that matter (sometimes badly) translated foreign cards)? Just because
>>there are so many Basic Lands without text?
>
>Take a look at current Oracle wording (and the wording for quite a few
>iterations backwards) for the basic lands. I'll wait ...

Huh. Bizarre.

>Doesn't _say_ "Tap: Add <color> to your mana pool." there, does it? It
>just says [<color>], like the card. I think it was a really bad idea to
>leave the basic lands' actual -ability- off them completely - if nothing
>else, it contributes greatly to the "lands are mana, right?" fallacy among
>newbies - but WotC did it, apparently for aesthetic reasons, several years
>ago, and they're not going back on it. 212.6d is there so that something
>DOES give the text of the ability basic lands have - since the lands
>themselves, AND ORACLE, don't do so.

WotC must have a really burning need not to Oracle-errata basic lands
whenever they're published. Certainly seems like it would've been a much
easier solution than having a whole special section in the rules. I did
wonder at those new lands that just had a big mana symbol printed on
them... but I mostly ignore (basic) lands in new sets anyway, since I've
pretty much got a full playset of basic lands from before.

Jasper