Lawmakers Defend Controversial CISPA Bill

[Martell1977]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]So tell me again, why do Americans collect guns? To fight government tyranny?.[/citation]

Yes, this is the main reason the Founders put the 2nd amendment in the constitution.

Sorry, couldn't edit and I forgot to edit the quote properly, should look as above here.

 

[NuclearShadow]

[citation][nom]Martell1977[/nom]Yes, this is the main reason the Founders put the 2nd amendment in the constitution.Sorry, couldn't edit and I forgot to edit the quote properly, should look as above here.[/citation]

Actually it was for several reasons while that is certainly one of them back then armed citizen militias were a insurance policy to keep America safe from foreign invaders. In-fact it's doubtful that the war for independence would have even been successful without this. Minutemen while never being as successful as the actual United States army under Washington made it for it be a very unpredictable and hostile place for British soldiers. They played a large role in not only winning it but made invasion of America a rather frightening idea for the world powers at the time.

People today however do not practice the second amendment correctly. It clearly states "A well regulated Militia". One could argue that this is now the national guard of each state as they actually fit the requirements. This is something a individual alone could never fit under. This is what they envisioned.

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
-Richard Henry Lee

To the founding fathers this was seen as a obligation that all able bodied men would be in a militia. Let's face it, that is not the America that we have today. Pro-gun ownership is not a constitutional issue in our modern outlook on it. If the pro-gun ownership citizens actually understood the constitution they would be members of the national guard which are literally citizen soldiers.
It's sad that most Americans are clueless about this subject.

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]Martell1977[/nom]Nope, we try our best to work to reverse government overreach, hence protesting in various ways. Using our guns and trying to remove a corrupt government is a last resort. [/citation]

Yeah, the government needs to do something extreme to get Americans to use their guns against it, like try to abolish slavery or something.

 

[alidan]

[citation][nom]itchyisvegeta[/nom]Here we go again. Unless passing a law nullifies or repeals a previous law, passing laws empower the government, not the private sector. Too many fascists running this country.[/citation]

considering our government is run by private interests, i doubt it wont help SOME of them...

 

[demonhorde665]

"empowers the private sector to protect itself in a better way,"

Translation

"Empowers The big coprorations to strong arm citizens more efficently."

 

[demonhorde665]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Yeah, the government needs to do something extreme to get Americans to use their guns against it, like try to abolish slavery or something.[/citation]

you obviously have no historical education past high school

the civil war was not started over slavery. High schools teach that drivvle to make the civil war appear more justified and noble to children.
the real reason for the civil war is because the north started slapping huge taxes on the south and southern imports and exports. basically the civil war happened for the same reason the american revolution happened, that being Taxation with out representation.

The emancipation proclaimation was merely a screen to get african americans to join the northern army. once the ware was over the north gave no care about the african americans well being at all.

Also after the war , the north continued on raping the south with taxes even worse than before (thanks to grant). they taxed the now free but improvished african americans just as much as they taxed the now war improvished southern whites.

 

[redeye]

godwin's law happened quickly in this thread... nazi=fascists...

 

[redeye]

a fascist is someone who would rather kill/remove you than put up with you... a neo-nazi is one who Sympathizes with the nazi's(and they were fascists) ... which is why the term nazi/neonazi is so abhorant...

 

[Non-Euclidean]

[citation][nom]NuclearShadow[/nom] If the pro-gun ownership citizens actually understood the constitution they would be members of the national guard which are literally citizen soldiers. [/citation]

Wrong. National Guard units have been used in ways which do not tie to national defense. Vietnam, etc.

The pro-gun ownership understands more than you do.

 

[classzero]

[citation][nom]itchyisvegeta[/nom]Here we go again. Unless passing a law nullifies or repeals a previous law, passing laws empower the government, not the private sector. Too many fascists running this country.[/citation]

Stop voting them in then!

 

[gm0n3y]

Where is the online petition to stop this?

 

[gm0n3y]

Found it. Sign the petition here: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-cispa-cyber-intelligence-sharing-and-protection-act/19sQhBpy

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]Uberragen21[/nom]It has nothing to do with fascists, it has everything to do with stupid republican law makers in congress. And if republicans got their way, they would open the floodgates allowing big business to fill their coffers and take away YOUR civil rights. I pray you open your eyes and realize the bullshit the media and congress is force feeding you is wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_ [...] olitician)[/citation]

Republican, democrat... They are both a problem.

 

[techguy911]

There goes american freedoms again what this bill really does is to allow them to read your email without a warrant and shutdown sites like the pirate bay and monitor your internet useage rest of the bill is a smoke screen.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]techguy911[/nom]There goes american freedoms again what this bill really does is to allow them to read your email without a warrant and shutdown sites like the pirate bay and monitor your internet useage rest of the bill is a smoke screen.[/citation]

I fail to see how this would allow the USA to shut down The Pirate Bay.

 

[lordjakian]

The government has many kleptocrats/corporate republican types, but I don't think there are too many classical fascist types. A simple explanation of corporate republic type is where the primary constituency for an official lies in the business owners far more so then in the interests of the people. An interesting example is Sauget, Illinois, with it's population of 200 and annual death rate of 1,000. Corporate Republicanism is scary.

 

[lordjakian]

People today however do not practice the second amendment correctly. It clearly states "A well regulated Militia". One could argue that this is now the national guard of each state as they actually fit the requirements. This is something a individual alone could never fit under. This is what they envisioned.

To the founding fathers this was seen as a obligation that all able bodied men would be in a militia. Let's face it, that is not the America that we have today. Pro-gun ownership is not a constitutional issue in our modern outlook on it. If the pro-gun ownership citizens actually understood the constitution they would be members of the national guard which are literally citizen soldiers.
It's sad that most Americans are clueless about this subject.

NuclearShadow, hmmm, literal sense. The only people in the US military who are not citizen soldiers are the non-US citizens that join the US military. They and they alone, could not be called citizen soldiers. So as any citizen in the military can be called a citizen soldier, I suggest changing your wording of "national guard" to US military, just to be more clear that you are not making some reference to a local kind of militia that can be used for local policing or support.

"If the pro-gun ownership citizens actually understood the constitution they would be members of the US military which are literally citizen soldiers."

With the national guard, along with all other reserve forces, having transitioned from being a strategic force to an operational one, one can argue that they are no longer in a position to support the locality they are from as they are sent away for years at a time. Those in favor of local militia would do well to instead participate in one that can support their community's needs.