News Leaked Benchmarks Show 11 Percent Uplift On Radeon RX 5600 XT With New vBIOS

[TJ Hooker]

Nvidia/EVGA did with their near paper-launch of the 2060 ko, which cannot be purchased anywhere atm, and is showing a shipping time of 1-2 months on most major retailers. So, your "out of the market" (which I presume you meant out ON the market) comment, missed the mark entirely, as any currently available 2060's are priced at or around $330-$350.00, except for one vaporware product that cannot currently be found, and will only be available from one board partner.

To be fair, as far as I can tell you can't actually buy any factory OC 5600 XT models yet (other than pre-order), which are the ones that will seemingly have the suped-up VBIOS required to get the performance TH saw in their review.

You can't get the 2060 KO yet either, but you can get the KO Ultra.

Edit:

Pay special attention to the Tom's hardware review in which the card (the 5600xt) garnered and editors choice recommendation, you dolt.

Sure, but that award says nothing about AMD's execution from a business perspective. They say it's a great card today, which I agree with, but imply (through their "con") that it would have been an even better card if AMD had released it sooner.

 

[Ncogneto]

Probably because this site does terrible reviews that rarely point out the negatives of a product.

Gamers Nexus gave some of their test samples to staff to use at home. The link I provided is the beginning of Steve listing off over 2 minutes of reproducible driver problems that were found while using the cards. He wouldn't give any recommendation for the card until it was certain the card you were buying came with the updated BIOS.

The fans on Jayz2cents test card would not spin up using AMD's software. Couldn't get them to work at all. The software showed the fans spinning at 65k RPM's though they weren't spinning at all. As the temperatures soared past 100C, he said he had to kill the tests and manually start the fans using Afterburner to prevent the card from literally cooking itself to death. For the average user, that's a dead card after the first use.

AMD quality at its finest. Oddly, never hear about the terrible AMD drivers in Tom's review. Can't say anything negative.

And yet here you are on this site, spouting your nonsense.

Never had an issue with my 5700 xt, 90% of these "driver issues" are the result of not having a fresh install, and old drivers not uninstalling correctly. Steve himself said he has not seen the issue personally, and Jay even mentioned that the drivers were solid.

As for the fan issue, once again, you fail to realize were to place the blame, as the fans worked fine on the old bios, and it was the vbios update that power color sent Jay that caused the issue, so not on AMD. And I am sure powercolor already has it corrected before the cards were ever released to the public.

 

[Ncogneto]

To be fair, as far as I can tell you can't actually buy any factory OC 5600 XT models yet (other than pre-order), which are the ones that will seemingly have the suped-up VBIOS required to get the performance TH saw in their review.

You can't get the 2060 KO yet either, but you can get the KO Ultra.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDeNe8A78F4


so hard.......

 

[TJ Hooker]

Well you can't buy a 5600 XT Pulse yet either (although it looks like they're released tomorrow). But you're right, after checking I see that for at least some of the models currently out the manufacturers have already made the beefed up VBIOS available for download.

 

[joeblowsmynose]

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You stated that you got a 2060 (at launch, naturally) because AMD was "late". I guess they can't operate on their own release schedule. Otherwise you "may" have bought a 5600 XT. OK. Then you also state that even TODAY, people should still not buy AMD if possible, but rather should hold out for Nvidia's next launch. Got it.

Well I only buy AMD because anything launched after the launch date of an AMD part that I buy is "too late" for my consideration.

I mean, I would love to consider Nvidia, but everytime NVidia launches a new card, I see that I already have an AMD card ... "Too late Nvidia", I tell myself "maybe next time".

Too bad I'm forced to keep buying AMD due to Nvidia always being too late ... if only I had some sort different metric to evaluate what GPU to purchase ... oh well.


I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist pointing out the absurdity of that initial argument.

 

[alextheblue]

Well to be honest, everything weighs out quite well in the midrange -- you can't really go wrong either way, but if bang for buck is your main driver AMD has slight edge, that's not debatable because its math. Raytracing on the 2060 is weak enough that by the time games actually have the feature a 2060 will be too slow, so I don't really count that as an advantage.

I agree with much of your post. In terms of RT, I would add that even in RT games today, it isn't really isn't viable on the mid-level 2060. It just isn't worth the framerate hit.

I will say that AMD has a weak point in the ~$200 or so range. The 5500XT 8GB is priced a bit high (again unless you're an overclocker and plan on pushing it up around 2Ghz), and they don't have anything to fill the gap until you get to the 5600 XT. They've got a 5600 but thus far it sounds like OEM-only. That means they don't really have a direct competitor to the 1660 Super. So while AMD often offers a really good value, there are price points where they are either less competitive or just don't have a contender. With that being said there are cases where the opposite is true! I've owned cards from just about every major vendor over the years, so I don't really have a strong preference. If anything I was more of a PowerVR fanboy back in the Kyro days. 😉 I ended up with a vanilla 5700 this time around because I got a reference model on sale for $279 around Christmas.

 

[spongiemaster]

As for the fan issue, once again, you fail to realize were to place the blame, as the fans worked fine on the old bios, and it was the vbios update that power color sent Jay that caused the issue, so not on AMD. And I am sure powercolor already has it corrected before the cards were ever released to the public.

No. This isn't an isolated occurrence with one brand. Look in the comment section of the video. There are multiple people reporting the same problem with different AMD GPU's going back to the RX480.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1174534310772314112

View: https://twitter.com/gamersnexus/status/1174534310772314112?lang=en

First response under this post from September of last year:

"I get this cool thing where sometimes my fan sensor isn't read on my 5700xt so it reads 65k rpm and doesn't ever spin until I manually toggle the speed. That boy gets hot quick when those fans don't turn on lol. Really annoying "

Putting your head in the sand and insulting other posters doesn't mean the problem isn't there. It's a problem with AMD's software, but good try throwing another company wrongfully under the bus.

 

[Ncogneto]

No. This isn't an isolated occurrence with one brand. Look in the comment section of the video. There are multiple people reporting the same problem with different AMD GPU's going back to the RX480.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1174534310772314112

View: https://twitter.com/gamersnexus/status/1174534310772314112?lang=en

First response under this post from September of last year:

"I get this cool thing where sometimes my fan sensor isn't read on my 5700xt so it reads 65k rpm and doesn't ever spin until I manually toggle the speed. That boy gets hot quick when those fans don't turn on lol. Really annoying "

Putting your head in the sand and insulting other posters doesn't mean the problem isn't there. It's a problem with AMD's software, but good try throwing another company wrongfully under the bus.

Nice attempt at trying to move the goal post. Not going to work. this is what you said, and to what I directly responded to:

"The fans on Jayz2cents test card would not spin up using AMD's software. Couldn't get them to work at all. The software showed the fans spinning at 65k RPM's though they weren't spinning at all. As the temperatures soared past 100C, he said he had to kill the tests and manually start the fans using Afterburner to prevent the card from literally cooking itself to death. For the average user, that's a dead card after the first use. "

Now first of all, and I know this is difficult for you, I will try to explain, s l o w l y (as I get my crayons to draw you a picture).

The fans on Jays card were working perfectly fine with the original bios. It wasn't until the new bios was flashed he had an issue. Nothing changed with the drivers, as such, the problem can conclusively be tied back to the bios flash. Not hard really, except for you.


As to what Gamerx nexus said back in last September was never part of the conversation...nice try though, keep grasping at straws and moving the goal posts, it shows how bad your losing the debate.

I can say with 100% certainty that the fans on my Power color red dragon 5700 xt work perfectly fine, thank you. Unlike you, I actually have some experience with the hardware I am speaking about, while you, on the other hand, are just being a google warrior looking for instances to support your argument.

I can do that too:

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=fans+don't+work+on+nvidia+2060&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Oh my! Nvidia drivers must be bugged too!

I for one, in the not to distant past, moved from an MSI Geforce GTX-970-GAMING-4G to a Radeon 580. I had all kinds of problems with the Radeon card, but the root cause of the problem was not the AMD drivers, rather that the Nvidia drivers did an absolute shite job of uninstalling them selves. Any and all problems disappeared from the Radeon card with a virgin install of Windows. 90% of peoples issues with the Radeon drivers can most often be traced back to just this. And that's not to mention that my 4 gig card really didn't have 4 gig of memory at all, rather only 3.5 gig (thanks nvidia!).
https://us.msi.com/Graphics-card/GTX-970-GAMING-4G.html

 

[Spaceghaze]

Pretty awesome how just a bios flash can improve performance by that much and even change memory speed.

If i remember correct i think i could do something similar with my old HD7980. Never had guts to try i though in fear of bricking it.

Any other newer cards that something like this would be possible on?


Gotta say, I like it how every single post like this, or something similar turns into a amd vs nvidia/intel war.

inserts michael jackson eating popcorn gif

 

[joeblowsmynose]

Pretty awesome how just a bios flash can improve performance by that much and even change memory speed.

If i remember correct i think i could do something similar with my old HD7980. Never had guts to try i though in fear of bricking it.

Any other newer cards that something like this would be possible on?
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Could always go into the Adrenalin software and adjust memory speeds, voltages, power states, GPU clocks, power limits, etc. -- its all there for your tweaking pleasure, same thing, just less permanent (settings here resets on crash or reboot, but you can save a profile)

Also I think all AMD cards now have dual bios and flashing isn't hard - so chance of bricking is low, unless you brick both bioses ...

 

[spongiemaster]

Nice attempt at trying to move the goal post. Not going to work. this is what you said, and to what I directly responded to:

"The fans on Jayz2cents test card would not spin up using AMD's software. Couldn't get them to work at all. The software showed the fans spinning at 65k RPM's though they weren't spinning at all. As the temperatures soared past 100C, he said he had to kill the tests and manually start the fans using Afterburner to prevent the card from literally cooking itself to death. For the average user, that's a dead card after the first use. "

Now first of all, and I know this is difficult for you, I will try to explain, s l o w l y (as I get my crayons to draw you a picture).

The fans on Jays card were working perfectly fine with the original bios. It wasn't until the new bios was flashed he had an issue. Nothing changed with the drivers, as such, the problem can conclusively be tied back to the bios flash. Not hard really, except for you.


As to what Gamerx nexus said back in last September was never part of the conversation...nice try though, keep grasping at straws and moving the goal posts, it shows how bad your losing the debate.

I can say with 100% certainty that the fans on my Power color red dragon 5700 xt work perfectly fine, thank you. Unlike you, I actually have some experience with the hardware I am speaking about, while you, on the other hand, are just being a google warrior looking for instances to support your argument.

I can do that too:

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=fans+don't+work+on+nvidia+2060&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Oh my! Nvidia drivers must be bugged too!

I for one, in the not to distant past, moved from an MSI Geforce GTX-970-GAMING-4G to a Radeon 580. I had all kinds of problems with the Radeon card, but the root cause of the problem was not the AMD drivers, rather that the Nvidia drivers did an absolute shite job of uninstalling them selves. Any and all problems disappeared from the Radeon card with a virgin install of Windows. 90% of peoples issues with the Radeon drivers can most often be traced back to just this. And that's not to mention that my 4 gig card really didn't have 4 gig of memory at all, rather only 3.5 gig (thanks nvidia!).
https://us.msi.com/Graphics-card/GTX-970-GAMING-4G.html

Not sure what Nvidia did to you as a child, but you should seek help. All you seem to do is want to pick a fight and insult, which I am not interested in doing.

In the twitter post I linked to, Gamers Nexus claimed to have seen the same problem that Jayz2cents saw. Hardware unboxed also reported seeing it. There are verifiable problems with AMD's fan control software which manifests itself in multiple problems. Just like most problems it doesn't effect every single cards. It is NOT a hardware issue, there is nothing wrong with the fans themselves and I never claimed there was. This is a software problem which AMD throughout its entire history has been terrible with.

Nvidia's drivers are certainly not without their issues. But they have to be pretty darn good if your counterargument requires you to pick an AMD problem and blame it on Nvidia because you can't find an actual current Nvidia problem. Unbelievable. Carry on with you ranting on your own. I'm done here.