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Here's an idea: Linux is about freedom. Most distro owners aren't capable of making a Ubuntu-caliber distro, but they are free to try. By the same token, you are free to not use that distro, or not use Linux at all.
There is but one Windows, and the government, RIAA, and Wall Street all have more say over it than you do. You are hardly free not to use Windows, if you don't believe me, try to purchase a laptop without Windows pre-installed, or try installing Linux on your Windows laptop, then getting warranty service on said laptop. Shady-ass Dell even claims to sell Ubuntu laptops. Try calling one of their sales people and buying one.
There is but one Windows, and the government, RIAA, and Wall Street all have more say over it than you do. You are hardly free not to use Windows, if you don't believe me, try to purchase a laptop without Windows pre-installed, or try installing Linux on your Windows laptop, then getting warranty service on said laptop. Shady-ass Dell even claims to sell Ubuntu laptops. Try calling one of their sales people and buying one.
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[citation][nom]personal_freedom_douche[/nom]Here's an idea: Linux is about freedom. Most distro owners aren't capable of making a Ubuntu-caliber distro, but they are free to try. By the same token, you are free to not use that distro, or not use Linux at all.There is but one Windows, and the government, RIAA, and Wall Street all have more say over it than you do. You are hardly free not to use Windows, if you don't believe me, try to purchase a laptop without Windows pre-installed, or try installing Linux on your Windows laptop, then getting warranty service on said laptop. Shady-ass Dell even claims to sell Ubuntu laptops. Try calling one of their sales people and buying one.[/citation]
I purchased several laptops without Windows installed. They're pretty capable too. They're called MacBook Pros.
I purchased several laptops without Windows installed. They're pretty capable too. They're called MacBook Pros.
captaincharisma
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must be nice to have money to waste on laptops that should cost hundreds of bucks less than they do
captaincharisma
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thats the problem with the linux freedom. any script kiddie can make there own version of it and all they have to do is make a slight change to it for it to not work with tons of stuff that work with other distros
imagine of windows had the freedom of linux. it would be total chaos
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Talk about the hateraid being passed around.
Linux is a kernel not an OS, the Distro is the OS. This is an important distinction to make because different distro's like to place configuration files in different places or otherwise have different idea's on how system security should be implemented. Different ways to handle system services, different ways to handle user interactions and so forth. Making a piece of software work in all those possible configurations is nightmare, and the biggest reason you don't see so many big ticket items being offered. Then you have someone like RedHat come along and decide to standardize as much as possible, and they did a pretty good job of it. But then the "free linux!!!!" guys come along and accuse them of selling out, when their just trying to make money as a company. That alone speaks volumes about the mentality being used by the people developing all these ancillary components of the OS.
For myself I prefer to use CentOS. It's RHEL without the propriety RH tools, but otherwise its functionally identical to RHEL. If a piece of software was written for RHEL then it's guaranteed to work on CentOS without needing to be recompiled. At work I use Solaris 10, and if Oracle had a better user support system (security updates and such) then I'd recommend people to use Solaris 10 + OpenOffice + FF/Chrome for their home automation needs.
Linux is a kernel not an OS, the Distro is the OS. This is an important distinction to make because different distro's like to place configuration files in different places or otherwise have different idea's on how system security should be implemented. Different ways to handle system services, different ways to handle user interactions and so forth. Making a piece of software work in all those possible configurations is nightmare, and the biggest reason you don't see so many big ticket items being offered. Then you have someone like RedHat come along and decide to standardize as much as possible, and they did a pretty good job of it. But then the "free linux!!!!" guys come along and accuse them of selling out, when their just trying to make money as a company. That alone speaks volumes about the mentality being used by the people developing all these ancillary components of the OS.
For myself I prefer to use CentOS. It's RHEL without the propriety RH tools, but otherwise its functionally identical to RHEL. If a piece of software was written for RHEL then it's guaranteed to work on CentOS without needing to be recompiled. At work I use Solaris 10, and if Oracle had a better user support system (security updates and such) then I'd recommend people to use Solaris 10 + OpenOffice + FF/Chrome for their home automation needs.
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Hell while we're at it. The ultimate in hybrid workstation technology.
Sun-PCI III Pro
http://reviews.cnet.com/motherboards/sun-sunpci-iii-pro/1707-3049_7-31304219.html
Nuff said.
Sun-PCI III Pro
http://reviews.cnet.com/motherboards/sun-sunpci-iii-pro/1707-3049_7-31304219.html
Nuff said.
[citation][nom]halcyon[/nom]I purchased several laptops without Windows installed. They're pretty capable too. They're called MacBook Pros.[/citation]
The debate was about choice, and in buying a Mac, you just reduced your choices to far less than the lack of choice in buying Windows laptops.
The debate was about choice, and in buying a Mac, you just reduced your choices to far less than the lack of choice in buying Windows laptops.
[citation][nom]srgess[/nom]Yeah why spend 2hours installing a software, searching the software for your distro, make it work, installing libs for it , asking help in irc will give you answers stfu noob read manual but manual is so damn useless compared to simple 2 click in windows and software is installed. And you comparing windows xp,vista,win7 but its still better over changing / updating distro version/kernel that change almost each month.[/citation]
Clueless. Why is it all you Win-freaks believe it's that much work? All the software you could imagine is just a couple of clicks away. Good stuff too. K3B disc burning software (resembles Nero, only more full featured) for FREE. Don't have to reboot. You constantly have to download service packs for Windows. I have had my distro installed on my netbooks for over a year without so much a hick-up. If it were so much work, I wouldn't use it. (BTW by now I would have had to re-install Windows at least once.)
Clueless. Why is it all you Win-freaks believe it's that much work? All the software you could imagine is just a couple of clicks away. Good stuff too. K3B disc burning software (resembles Nero, only more full featured) for FREE. Don't have to reboot. You constantly have to download service packs for Windows. I have had my distro installed on my netbooks for over a year without so much a hick-up. If it were so much work, I wouldn't use it. (BTW by now I would have had to re-install Windows at least once.)
[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]thats the problem with the linux freedom. any script kiddie can make there own version of it and all they have to do is make a slight change to it for it to not work with tons of stuff that work with other distrosimagine of windows had the freedom of linux. it would be total chaos[/citation]
Imagine freedom - with Windows? Now THAT'S an oxymoron.
Imagine freedom - with Windows? Now THAT'S an oxymoron.
Linux is for users who want a working pc, not a virus & bug invested bloated piece of shit os like windows.
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Yeah, I do. Since all the software is in the repositories and can't be backed up to my external hard drive, Linux without Internet becomes an [even more] pathetic experience.
Working, once they figure out all the driver and compatibility issues... which happens - oh wait, NEVER! 😀
Not at all. I have yet to see Windows limiting me,
That's why... all the software you CAN imagine is a couple of clicks away - for US. For you, there's a limit of what works on your toy of an OS. OMG, IT'S FREE! You get EXACTLY what you pay for - in this case, it's nothing 😀 And you "have" to download the same updates for Linux, too, all the time, and it's MUCH more bothersome! And you DO have to reboot after you install it.
Dude, you're pathetic. You can't fool people on this website. We aren't housewives; we know what Windows and Linux are capable of. GTFO and stop embarrassing yourself.
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I am an OpenSUSE linux user and I find it sad that a lot of Linux proponents are exaggerating the features of Linux. In doing so they are painting the wrong picture:
- Installing software on Linux can be easy or downright crazy. If someone out there has created a binary package for your distribution AND placed it in a repository it is easy to install it. The package manager will take care of downloading all the dependencies. Compiling from source, OTOH, can be hairy because you have to look for the dependencies yourself. There's even a phrase for it - dependency hell. This is why most Linux users go with one of the major distros like RHEL, Ubuntu, Debian or SUSE because more likely than not your favourite program is already in the repos.
Of course the really good packages aren't there in the official repos. The proprietary drivers and the media players require you to install third party repositories. This presents an added challenge to new users.
Another point I'd like to make is that in the past package managers were derided by the open source community as childish. Now the opposite is the case and you are advised to use your distro's repositories instead of installing from source! The advantages are just too great to ignore!
- Hardware support is still not there. I tried different distributions on my 2008 model LGA 775 motherboard in 2010 and they all struggled with the Intel IGP. This was a very popular configuration so it should have worked out of the box. I had to search everywhere for a solution and it wasn't fun. Since then this problem has been solved in newer versions which brings me to the next point...
- You do need Internet access for the best experience. There is no other way to download updates. And there are new updates every week.
So why use Linux? For the learning experience, of course! Linux is widely used on servers and if you see yourself managing servers for a living having Linux on your home desktop makes it easier to learn. Plus it's cool!
- Installing software on Linux can be easy or downright crazy. If someone out there has created a binary package for your distribution AND placed it in a repository it is easy to install it. The package manager will take care of downloading all the dependencies. Compiling from source, OTOH, can be hairy because you have to look for the dependencies yourself. There's even a phrase for it - dependency hell. This is why most Linux users go with one of the major distros like RHEL, Ubuntu, Debian or SUSE because more likely than not your favourite program is already in the repos.
Of course the really good packages aren't there in the official repos. The proprietary drivers and the media players require you to install third party repositories. This presents an added challenge to new users.
Another point I'd like to make is that in the past package managers were derided by the open source community as childish. Now the opposite is the case and you are advised to use your distro's repositories instead of installing from source! The advantages are just too great to ignore!
- Hardware support is still not there. I tried different distributions on my 2008 model LGA 775 motherboard in 2010 and they all struggled with the Intel IGP. This was a very popular configuration so it should have worked out of the box. I had to search everywhere for a solution and it wasn't fun. Since then this problem has been solved in newer versions which brings me to the next point...
- You do need Internet access for the best experience. There is no other way to download updates. And there are new updates every week.
So why use Linux? For the learning experience, of course! Linux is widely used on servers and if you see yourself managing servers for a living having Linux on your home desktop makes it easier to learn. Plus it's cool!
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If the Linux community could create a package management method for a disconnected network (otherwise known as an isolated network operating environment) then we'd look into it. This idea of always being connected to the internet and utilizing a third party to drive your patch level is insane. Your basically relying on an open source non-profit distribution's website for your security posture, that's unacceptable where I work.
And yes we validate every patch in the lab before we apply it on production.
And yes we validate every patch in the lab before we apply it on production.
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[citation][nom]DSpider[/nom]You don't have to support anything. A competent user would know how to browse the wiki, google the problem or ask for help on the forums or IRC channel. [/citation]
Hmmm... help...
not from any of the stuck up linux hobbyist fanboys i have talked to. i spent about a week just trying to get knoppix or suse or ubuntu and LinuxMCE working on one of my computers. knoppix and LinuxMCE worked but they didnt like my tuner hardware, suse and ubuntu wouldnt even boot. and when i asked questions all i got was "noob", "read the help files", "windoze looser" or some other derogatory comment.
if i wanted to torture myself and get no work done i would use linux. but the reason i am here reading and typing this response:
Windows 7 - the best OS ever.
Hmmm... help...
not from any of the stuck up linux hobbyist fanboys i have talked to. i spent about a week just trying to get knoppix or suse or ubuntu and LinuxMCE working on one of my computers. knoppix and LinuxMCE worked but they didnt like my tuner hardware, suse and ubuntu wouldnt even boot. and when i asked questions all i got was "noob", "read the help files", "windoze looser" or some other derogatory comment.
if i wanted to torture myself and get no work done i would use linux. but the reason i am here reading and typing this response:
Windows 7 - the best OS ever.
The Finnish police confiscated my Ubuntu PC. "Your hdd is encrypted" they argued. Really? I didn't know. Hahahhaha...
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