[SOLVED] Looking to upgrade, possible RAM bottleneck? Need help identifying

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Hi! I'm looking to upgrade some aspect of my computer to help with performance issues (particularly in "Escape from Tarkov", even though it is an unfinished, un-optimized game), and my oldest components in my build are my CPU, RAM, and motherboard. I'm far from having a solid grasp on most hardware issues, but I imagined that my build could use new RAM with better frequency or maybe a better CPU, as the motherboard is such a central piece it could be very difficult to replace.

I used CPUID to look at what I hope are the needed details. I run my OS and most of my games off an SSD, and save documents and spare programs to an HDD. I recently replaced my PSU with a much better one, that should be able to handle at least 100 more watts of power usage comfortably according to a very experienced (several decades, worked with one of the first supercomputers and did hardware in the US navy. Cool guy) local PC repairman. My GPU shouldn't be the main bottleneck, an AMD R9 380. It was also a replacement from what my build started as, and very roughly judging off of pricing I think it's not my main hurdle.

Based on some surface level questions I've asked elsewhere, my RAM should have at least 3000-3200 mHz for smooth operation. I'm having trouble reading the info given by CPUID, and I'll link the .txt file on Dropbox as well as copy/paste what I assume is possibly more relevant info (below. I posted a lot, warning). I am unsure if my CPU and RAM will be on par with each other if I upgrade my RAM, so I would enjoy advice on that as well. I'm willing to update with more info as needed. This isn't an urgent purchase, but if I could get it done in the next, say, week or two that'd be nice. Thanks in advance! :)

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Binaries
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CPU-Z version 1.92.2.x64

Processors
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Number of sockets 1
Number of threads 4

APICs
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Socket 0
-- Core 0 (ID 0)
-- Thread 0 0
-- Core 1 (ID 2)
-- Thread 1 2
-- Core 2 (ID 4)
-- Thread 2 4
-- Core 3 (ID 6)
-- Thread 3 6

Timers
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ACPI timer 3.580 MHz
Perf timer 10.000 MHz
Sys timer 1.000 KHz


Processors Information
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Socket 1 ID = 0
Number of cores 4 (max 4)
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
Manufacturer GenuineIntel
Name Intel Core i5 4460
Codename Haswell
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4460 CPU @ 3.20GHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 1150 LGA (0x1)
CPUID 6.C.3
Extended CPUID 6.3C
Core Stepping C0
Technology 22 nm
TDP Limit 84.0 Watts
Tjmax 100.0 °C
Core Speed 1097.4 MHz
Multiplier x Bus Speed 11.0 x 99.8 MHz
Base frequency (cores) 99.8 MHz
Base frequency (ext.) 99.8 MHz
Stock frequency 3200 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, EM64T, VT-x, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3
Microcode Revision 0x27
L1 Data cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 4 x 256 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L3 cache 6 MBytes, 12-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Max CPUID level 0000000Dh
Max CPUID ext. level 80000008h
Cache descriptor Level 1, D, 32 KB, 2 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 1, I, 32 KB, 2 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 2, U, 256 KB, 2 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 3, U, 6 MB, 16 thread(s)
FID/VID Control yes


Turbo Mode supported, enabled
Max non-turbo ratio 32x
Max turbo ratio 34x
Max efficiency ratio 8x
O/C bins none
Ratio 1 core 34x
Ratio 2 cores 34x
Ratio 3 cores 33x
Ratio 4 cores 32x
IA Voltage Mode PCU adaptive
IA Voltage Offset 0 mV
GT Voltage Mode PCU adaptive
GT Voltage Offset 0 mV
LLC/Ring Voltage Mode PCU adaptive
LLC/Ring Voltage Offset 0 mV
Agent Voltage Mode PCU adaptive
Agent Voltage Offset 0 mV
TDP Level 84.0 W @ 32x

Temperature 0 39 degC (102 degF) (Package)
Temperature 1 37 degC (98 degF) (Core #0)
Temperature 2 36 degC (96 degF) (Core #1)
Temperature 3 40 degC (104 degF) (Core #2)
Temperature 4 35 degC (95 degF) (Core #3)
Voltage 0 0.79 Volts (VID)
Voltage 1 +0.00 Volts (IA Offset)
Voltage 2 +0.00 Volts (GT Offset)
Voltage 3 +0.00 Volts (LLC/Ring Offset)
Voltage 4 +0.00 Volts (System Agent Offset)
Power 00 9.00 W (Package)
Power 01 1.52 W (IA Cores)
Power 02 n.a. (GT)
Power 03 5.24 W (Uncore)
Power 04 2.24 W (DRAM)
Clock Speed 0 1097.38 MHz (Core #0)
Clock Speed 1 1097.38 MHz (Core #1)
Clock Speed 2 798.10 MHz (Core #2)
Clock Speed 3 798.10 MHz (Core #3)
Core 0 max ratio 34.0 (effective 34.0)
Core 1 max ratio 34.0 (effective 34.0)
Core 2 max ratio 34.0 (effective 34.0)
Core 3 max ratio 34.0 (effective 34.0)

[Thread dumps, I imagined I could skip these]

BIOS
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UEFI Yes
BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
BIOS MSG 63-0100-000001-00101111-041312-Chipset
BIOS Date 04/13/12
Mainboard Vendor 000001

Chipset
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Northbridge Intel Haswell rev. 06
Southbridge Intel B85 rev. C2
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x4
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR3
Memory Size 16 GBytes
Channels Dual
Memory Frequency 665.1 MHz (1:5)
CAS# latency (CL) 9.0
RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 9
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 9
Cycle Time (tRAS) 24
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 174
Command Rate (CR) 2T
Uncore Frequency 798.1 MHz
Host Bridge 0x0C00


Memory SPD
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DIMM # 1
SMBus address 0x50
Memory type DDR3
Module format UDIMM
Module Manufacturer(ID) G.Skill (7F7F7F7FCD000000000000)
Size 4096 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3-10700 (667 MHz)
Part number F3-2400C10-4GZH
Number of banks 8
Nominal Voltage 1.50 Volts
EPP no
XMP yes
XMP revision 1.3
AMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 5.0-5-5-14-19 @ 380 MHz
JEDEC #2 6.0-6-6-17-23 @ 457 MHz
JEDEC #3 7.0-7-7-20-27 @ 533 MHz
JEDEC #4 8.0-8-8-22-30 @ 609 MHz
JEDEC #5 9.0-9-9-24-33 @ 666 MHz
JEDEC #6 10.0-9-9-24-33 @ 666 MHz
XMP profile XMP-2400
Specification PC3-19200
Voltage level 1.650 Volts
Min Cycle time 0.833 ns (1200 MHz)
Max CL 10.0
Min tRP 9.38 ns
Min tRCD 9.38 ns
Min tWR 13.25 ns
Min tRAS 25.38 ns
Min tRC 35.31 ns
Min tRFC 260.00 ns
Min tRTP 7.50 ns
Min tRRD 5.00 ns
Command Rate 2T
XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 10.0-12-12-31-43-2T @ 1200 MHz (1.650 Volts)
XMP profile XMP-2400
Specification PC3-19200
Voltage level 1.650 Volts
Min Cycle time 0.833 ns (1200 MHz)
Max CL 10.0
Min tRP 9.69 ns
Min tRCD 9.69 ns
Min tWR 13.33 ns
Min tRAS 25.52 ns
Min tRC 35.52 ns
Min tRFC 260.42 ns
Min tRTP 7.50 ns
Min tRRD 5.00 ns
Command Rate 1T
XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 10.0-12-12-31-43-1T @ 1200 MHz (1.650 Volts)

DIMM # 2
SMBus address 0x51
Memory type DDR3
Module format UDIMM
Module Manufacturer(ID) G.Skill (7F7F7F7FCD000000000000)
Size 4096 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3-12800 (800 MHz)
Part number F3-2400C11-4GAB
Number of banks 8
Nominal Voltage 1.50 Volts
EPP no
XMP yes
XMP revision 1.3
AMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 6.0-6-6-16-22 @ 457 MHz
JEDEC #2 7.0-7-7-19-26 @ 533 MHz
JEDEC #3 8.0-8-8-22-30 @ 609 MHz
JEDEC #4 9.0-9-9-24-33 @ 685 MHz
JEDEC #5 10.0-10-10-27-37 @ 761 MHz
JEDEC #6 11.0-11-11-28-39 @ 800 MHz
XMP profile XMP-2400
Specification PC3-19200
Voltage level 1.650 Volts
Min Cycle time 0.833 ns (1200 MHz)
Max CL 11.0
Min tRP 10.30 ns
Min tRCD 10.30 ns
Min tWR 13.25 ns
Min tRAS 25.38 ns
Min tRC 36.22 ns
Min tRFC 260.00 ns
Min tRTP 7.50 ns
Min tRRD 5.00 ns
Command Rate 2T
XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 11.0-13-13-31-44-2T @ 1200 MHz (1.650 Volts)

DIMM # 3
SMBus address 0x52
Memory type DDR3
Module format UDIMM
Module Manufacturer(ID) G.Skill (7F7F7F7FCD000000000000)
Size 4096 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3-10700 (667 MHz)
Part number F3-2400C10-4GZH
Number of banks 8
Nominal Voltage 1.50 Volts
EPP no
XMP yes
XMP revision 1.3
AMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 5.0-5-5-14-19 @ 380 MHz
JEDEC #2 6.0-6-6-17-23 @ 457 MHz
JEDEC #3 7.0-7-7-20-27 @ 533 MHz
JEDEC #4 8.0-8-8-22-30 @ 609 MHz
JEDEC #5 9.0-9-9-24-33 @ 666 MHz
JEDEC #6 10.0-9-9-24-33 @ 666 MHz
XMP profile XMP-2400
Specification PC3-19200
Voltage level 1.650 Volts
Min Cycle time 0.833 ns (1200 MHz)
Max CL 10.0
Min tRP 9.38 ns
Min tRCD 9.38 ns
Min tWR 13.25 ns
Min tRAS 25.38 ns
Min tRC 35.31 ns
Min tRFC 260.00 ns
Min tRTP 7.50 ns
Min tRRD 5.00 ns
Command Rate 2T
XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 10.0-12-12-31-43-2T @ 1200 MHz (1.650 Volts)
XMP profile XMP-2400
Specification PC3-19200
Voltage level 1.650 Volts
Min Cycle time 0.833 ns (1200 MHz)
Max CL 10.0
Min tRP 9.69 ns
Min tRCD 9.69 ns
Min tWR 13.33 ns
Min tRAS 25.52 ns
Min tRC 35.52 ns
Min tRFC 260.42 ns
Min tRTP 7.50 ns
Min tRRD 5.00 ns
Command Rate 1T
XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 10.0-12-12-31-43-1T @ 1200 MHz (1.650 Volts)

DIMM # 4
SMBus address 0x53
Memory type DDR3
Module format UDIMM
Module Manufacturer(ID) G.Skill (7F7F7F7FCD000000000000)
Size 4096 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3-12800 (800 MHz)
Part number F3-2400C11-4GAB
Number of banks 8
Nominal Voltage 1.50 Volts
EPP no
XMP yes
XMP revision 1.3
AMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 6.0-6-6-16-22 @ 457 MHz
JEDEC #2 7.0-7-7-19-26 @ 533 MHz
JEDEC #3 8.0-8-8-22-30 @ 609 MHz
JEDEC #4 9.0-9-9-24-33 @ 685 MHz
JEDEC #5 10.0-10-10-27-37 @ 761 MHz
JEDEC #6 11.0-11-11-28-39 @ 800 MHz
XMP profile XMP-2400
Specification PC3-19200
Voltage level 1.650 Volts
Min Cycle time 0.833 ns (1200 MHz)
Max CL 11.0
Min tRP 10.30 ns
Min tRCD 10.30 ns
Min tWR 13.25 ns
Min tRAS 25.38 ns
Min tRC 36.22 ns
Min tRFC 260.00 ns
Min tRTP 7.50 ns
Min tRRD 5.00 ns
Command Rate 2T
XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 11.0-13-13-31-44-2T @ 1200 MHz (1.650 Volts)

[More info related to each DIMM, grids of 2 digit hexadecimal (I believe) numbers labeled SPD registers]

Monitoring
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Mainboard Model B85M-D3H (0x000001E8 - 0x009EE5F6)

LPCIO
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LPCIO Vendor ITE
LPCIO Model IT8728
LPCIO Vendor ID 0x90
LPCIO Chip ID 0x8728
LPCIO Revision ID 0x1
Config Mode I/O address 0x2E
Config Mode LDN 0x4

[More registers, same as before. Skipped]

Hardware Monitors
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Hardware monitor ITE IT8728
Voltage 0 0.74 Volts [0x3E] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage 1 3.28 Volts [0xA6] (VCC3)
Voltage 2 12.10 Volts [0xA8] (+12V)
Voltage 3 3.34 Volts [0xA7] (+VCC)
Voltage 5 1.74 Volts [0x91] (CPU VTT)
Voltage 6 1.54 Volts [0x80] (DRAM)
Voltage 7 3.36 Volts [0x8C] (+3.3V)
Temperature 0 27 degC (80 degF) [0x1B] (TMPIN0)
Temperature 2 31 degC (87 degF) [0x1F] (TMPIN2)
Fan 0 1347 RPM [0x1F5] (CPU FAN)
Fan 1 222 RPM [0xBE2] (FANIN1)
Fan PWM 0 0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM0)
Fan PWM 1 0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM1)
Fan PWM 2 0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM2)

[Registers follow]

Hardware monitor Hardware monitor ID=0xFFFFFFFF

Hardware monitor D3D

Hardware monitor AMD ADL
Voltage 0 0.90 Volts [0x384] (GPU)
Temperature 0 44 degC (111 degF) [0x2C] (GPU)
Fan 0 510 RPM [0x1FE] (GPU #0)
Clock Speed 0 300.00 MHz [0x12C] (Graphics)
Clock Speed 1 150.00 MHz [0x96] (Memory)
Clock Speed 2 n.a. (Processor)

Then some info related to PCI devices, registers, and my USB connected controllers and keyboard/mouse, it seems. USB controllers, Ethernet controller, VGA controller, etc. I imagined it's unrelated.
 
@leiferbeefer
Your RAM is currently running at 1333MHz.

The max supported by your motherboard is 1600MHz.

Depending on the game and the resolution you play at, you could see an increase in performance between 10% and 1%. I would consider that not worth it.

People talking about 3000-3200 mHz are referring to DDR4 RAM, but your motherboard only supports DDR3.
 
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@leiferbeefer
Your RAM is currently running at 1333MHz.

The max supported by your motherboard is 1600MHz.

Depending on the game and the resolution you play at, you could see an increase in performance between 10% and 1%. I would consider that not worth it.

People talking about 3000-3200 mHz are referring to DDR4 RAM, but your motherboard only supports DDR3.
 
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@leiferbeefer
Your RAM is currently running at 1333MHz.

The max supported by your motherboard is 1600MHz.

Depending on the game and the resolution you play at, you could see an increase in performance between 10% and 1%. I would consider that not worth it.

People talking about 3000-3200 mHz are referring to DDR4 RAM, but your motherboard only supports DDR3.
Thank you so much :) I'll look into changing motherboards. I didn't know I was limited to DDR3. Have a good day/night
 

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You have 2 different sets of gskill, a C10 and C11. The C10 defaults to 1333, the C11 defaults to 1600. You cpu defaults to either, so will default to 1333MHz as the C10 doesn't have 1600 jedec tables.

However, that's 2400 ram. (don't care what the motherboard says, it's irrelevant). Anything above 1600 is considered OC because Intel didn't test/qualify their cpus above 1600. So it's easily possible to set XMP Enabled and it might work at 2400MHz. However, it's OC and 4 sticks, which is harder work for the memory controller (inside the cpu) so that can mean for stability purposes you'd need to also OC the cpu (which you can't) to give the MC a little bit extra power to deal with the increased ram load.

So you are stuck doing things manually. If the motherboards bios allows you to manually adjust MC voltages by adding to VCCIO (or QPI/VTT), you may be able to add enough to get the 2400MHz stable at XMP values for timing.

Otherwise you'll be stuck for 1600 or maybe 1866MHz as best possible, depending on if you can manually adjust the speeds beyond 1600. If it doesn't let you raise, it'll almost always allow lowering, and you can probably push the timings lower, to maybe C9 or even C8, and maintain the 1600MHz, which will have almost the same affect as bumping speeds to @ 1866MHz or 2100MHz.

You can forget about ram speeds higher than 2400MHz, for DDR3 it basically didn't exist. That's a DDR4 speed, which is an entirely different platform.
 
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