Lynnfield benchmarks up

[jennyh]

EXACTLY. Turbo mode is stock, is designed stock, and works, stock, automatically. Turbo is the manufacture's specification for the processor.

Now if you turn turbo off and start raising the bus speed, that's overclocking!


You're almost to the point of understanding Jenny! Do a little more research and you'll get there!

So the reason why the i5 is 2.6ghz instead of 3.2ghz is......?

(can't wait to see the answers to this one lol)

 

[Newf]

Good luck TC...

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Turbo is overclocking, plain and simple.

Sorry, but TC is 100% correct on this. Turbo is a design feature/capability of the CPU. Overclocking is not - it's up to the end user to do, and is not guaranteed by the CPU manufacturer. Case in point: If your 955 failed to clock over the stock 3.2GHz, what would your legal recourse be? Answer - nada, zilch, nothing -- AMD never guaranteed any overclocks. Despite making the oc tools available, it still is not a guarantee which you seem so fond of 😀.

Now if your i5-750 failed to turbo up to 3.2GHz with one active core, what would your legal recourse be? Answer - RMA it back and get a new one because the chip is defective.

How bloody hard is that to comprehend?

Exactly.

AMDs bereft of new designs & features - all they have left in their shrinking toolbox is yet more binning. It's interesting to note that the 955 generally oc's just as well as the 965 - AMD just cut the bin margin down in an effort to flog more expensive chips out the door, in a desperation move to shore up sagging margins. Not gonna happen with the i5 sheriff on patrol! 😀 Oops - should have stuck with the naval references. OK - not gonna happen with the i5 aircraft carrier group 😀.

See - I make naval references while AMD fanbois pick their navel lint 😛.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

how come the i7 benches had 'with turbo' and 'without turbo' yet the i5 benches dont....hmmm.

Uh, maybe because the i5 reviews have been out for less than a day now?????? And we all know how these evil Intel paid pumper sites like to be first to publish and thus get their Intel bribes?? 😀 Obviously no time to do a thorough review yet...

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

So the reason why the i5 is 2.6ghz instead of 3.2ghz is......?

(can't wait to see the answers to this one lol)

It's 2.6 if all the cores are being used, but if less than four are being used it will dynamically and automatically adjust the core frequencies to stay within power and thermal envelopes. All of this is automatic and predefined by the manufacturer.

 

[jennyh]

No fazers, good try tho!

How come we got without turbo and with turbo versions of i7 benches...right from the start?

Yet this time around? You can't find a review anywhere with turbo mode off. It's not hard to figure out but give yourself a gold star if you do.

Why were most i7 reviews done without turbo, and all i5's done with?

 

[jennyh]

It's 2.6 if all the cores are being used, but if less than four are being used it will dynamically and automatically adjust the core frequencies to stay within power and thermal envelopes. All of this is automatic and predefined by the manufacturer.

You know I can put my first 2 cores on my AMD to 4ghz and lower the last 2 to 0ghz if they aren't being used too?

This is not something that needs to be done in hardware, software can monitor it.

 

[mindless728]

No fazers, good try tho!

How come we got without turbo and with turbo versions of i7 benches...right from the start?

Yet this time around? You can't find a review anywhere with turbo mode off. It's not hard to figure out but give yourself a gold star if you do.

Why were most i7 reviews done without turbo, and all i5's done with?

ever think that they re-used benchmarks for the i7 (and possibly PII 965) and didn't have the time to do a full review of the i5

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I'm not Irish, but it's amusing to see you being wrong in everything you type so I let it go 😀

Well OK I stand corrected then.

And my apologies to all Irish people! 😀

 

[jennyh]

Well OK I stand corrected then.

And my apologies to all Irish people! 😀

Ok I laughed at that 😀

 

[fazers_on_stun]

No fazers, good try tho!

How come we got without turbo and with turbo versions of i7 benches...right from the start?

Yet this time around? You can't find a review anywhere with turbo mode off. It's not hard to figure out but give yourself a gold star if you do.

Why were most i7 reviews done without turbo, and all i5's done with?

If you go back and read the initial i7 reviews, none of them had Turbo disabled either. It wasn't until months later that the non-Turbo-enabled benchies came out, after the reviewers had time to go back and do more extensive benching.

Give it a month or two and I'm sure we'll see the non-Turbo benchies on i5 as well.

Patience, grasshopper! 😀

 

[jennyh]

Lol what?

You have links to back that up ofc.

 

[someguy7]

It is not overclocking.

Intel does guarantee the chips with turbo enabled.

The CPU at stock will NEVER go over the TDP for the chip. 4 cores and 95W. It will raise the clock speed as long as the cpu power draw is under the TDP. The CPU's are also very affective and shutting down idle cores to save power.

If this is overclocking then cool n quiet is overclocking. Then speedstep is overclocking.

This is a feature. This is guarantee'd by intel. When permitted 1 or more cores will clock up.... Why do we even have to explain this stuff to AMD trolls.


AMD will be adding this feature as well. It is a great feature period.


And more AMD troll rubish. Oh the i5.i7 is a core2 with turbo. No it isnt. Its a pentium 3/pentium M with turbo.

 

[jennyh]

Dear god they just keep rolling in.

What you talking about TDP and such? You clearly have no idea what you are on about someguy7. No chip goes above it's TDP ever, that's what it's there for.

Go read some more intel news headlines before coming back, thanks!

 

[Shadow703793]

^Yo go above TDP when you OC 😛

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

ever think that they re-used benchmarks for the i7 (and possibly PII 965) and didn't have the time to do a full review of the i5

Nope, it was obviously a conspiracy.

 

[BadTrip]

add voltage to a cpu and check your tdp, lol

 

[someguy7]

No you do not have a clue. All the info is out there for you to read. Go read it.

Yes chips do go above the TDP you fool. When you OVERCLOCK THEM. Intel's turbo WILL NOT go over the TDP.

You need to actually read alot. You are completely clueless.


You're are posting pure fud about a feature you clearly have no friggin clue about.

 

[Mousemonkey]

I never realised how much I had missed you BM, now you're back and on form let the fun begin. I haven't laughed so much in ages.

 

[dna708]

My take on Turbo mode is that it IS a feature. However, it also IS overclocking. Overclocking is taking the clock on the box and going beyond it, imo. However, Turbo Mode is an overclocking feature that is insured by Intel which is why EVERY core i5-750 can reach:

3.2 with one core in use
3.06 with two cores in use
2.93 with all cores in use

I don't know if you all will think of this as a similar example, but I kind of think about it in terms of speedstep and Cool and Quiet. If we were arguing about wattage instead of CPU superiority, and only one of the CPU's had underclocking & undervolting abilities, people would be bound to claim that the comparison was unfair. In a similar way, I think of Turbo as reaching THE HIGHEST THRESHOLD of performance with 1-4 threads WITHIN the defined TDP.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

My take on Turbo mode is that it IS a feature. However, it also IS overclocking. Overclocking is taking the clock on the box and going beyond it, imo. However, Turbo Mode is an overclocking feature that is insured by Intel which is why EVERY core i5-750 can reach:

3.2 with one core in use
3.06 with two cores in use
2.93 with all cores in use

I don't know if you all will think of this as a similar example, but I kind of think about it in terms of speedstep and Cool and Quiet. If we were arguing about wattage instead of CPU superiority, and only one of the CPU's had underclocking & undervolting abilities, people would be bound to claim that the comparison was unfair. In a similar way, I think of Turbo as reaching THE HIGHEST THRESHOLD of performance with 1-4 threads WITHIN the defined TDP.

I can see how one might interpret it that way if you look at it core-by-core. But if you look at the processor as a whole, and not it's parts, I don't consider it overclocking.

 

[jennyh]

You don't go over TDP while overclocking...Good grief.

Please will you just actually read up on what TDP actually means instead of believing what some forum moron once told you.

TDP = the *maximum*, that includes insane overclocks. Silly little day-to-day overclocks don't even get close. If you make me drag up a bunch of reports to prove this i will be *incredibly* pissed and you will never, ever hear the end of it again.

 

[dna708]

whoops, i meant to say within the defined wattage...

 

[aznguy0028]

No, turbo is overclocking plain and simple.

Does i5 guarantee against crashes or something? I must have missed that part if so. What's the story on i5 turbo mode and warranty etc? What if it crashes while turbo'ed? Was it you or was it intel that overclocked it?

Here's the story on Turbo Mode for you.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3634&p=5

I don't know if you read the reviews or not, but "Turbo" mode is on when you are using 2 or 1 cores of your CPU. When Turbo mode is on, you are STAYING INSIDE THE TDP of the processor the whole time. The other cores voltages are lowered and instead are used by the 2/1 core that are currently active. Also, Lynnfield is also intelligent enough to lower the clock speed on any turbo cores if it is exceeding any temperature limits..

"If the CPU ever gets too hot, it will automatically reduce its clock speed in order to avoid damaging the processor; this includes a clock speed increase due to turbo mode." in the anand article.

When there is a program that utilizes 3/4 cores, the clock speed goes down for all the cores b/c they have to stay within TDP, so they can't run as fast as a single core with turbo on.

I'd love it if you showed me the "Turbo" mode on the Q9650 that you mentioned, I'd love to use that mode on my Q9450 as they are in the same family line. xD

I am 100% sure Turbo is covered by Intel's warranty, it is a feature that came with the chip and what company would be stupid enough to include a feature that could bring them lawsuits... -_- seriously, just give up, everyone has proven you wrong Jenny...take the loss away like a humble person

 

[mindless728]

You don't go over TDP while overclocking...Good grief.

Please will you just actually read up on what TDP actually means instead of believing what some forum moron once told you.

TDP = the *maximum*, that includes insane overclocks. Silly little day-to-day overclocks don't even get close. If you make me drag up a bunch of reports to prove this i will be *incredibly* pissed and you will never, ever hear the end of it again.

actually no
TDP

states "The thermal design power (TDP), sometimes called thermal design point, represents the maximum amount of power the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate"

which means that the processor gives off that much heat (as in the cooling system has to get rid of it), now for the i5, in order to stay inside this limit (95w), it can only go so far on so many cores (more cores, less speed)