MarketWatch Slams Windows 8, Calls it Unmitigated Disaster

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[citation][nom]math1337[/nom]Uninstall all of the metro apps(DO IT NOW) and you're left with windows 7 with pointy corners, a new start menu, and ribbons. It's not all that bad...Edit:It literally takes less than 2 minutes, then you'll be free "metro" forever.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJnutLKIzzU[/citation]

Sorry man, that does nothing for a desktop. All of the annoyances, inconsistencies and conflicts between 'desktop' and Metro will still be there.
 
Windows Metro UI is a complete nightmare! This will be a disaster of unimaginable proportions. Remember windows Vista? Well, multiply that experience by 100. I almost ripped my hairs out trying to use this thing. I provided technical support to end users working at a call center for over a decade. You could not pay me enough to walk someone through this piece of junk. You just CANNOT navigate through the system with a keyboard and mouse. Not everyone will be buying a tablet PC or touchscreen AIO where Win 8 excels in. The average Joe just wants to click on a icon to browse websites, facebook, etc. SIMPLE AND EASY!
Customers will be screaming for refunds and/or demanding a downgrade to Win 7.
 
[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]You could only do that in the Developer Preview. Microsoft took the trouble to make sure you can't do that anymore. Think about why they would do that.[/citation]
Wow I didn't know that! Microsoft's making a bad move.
 
[citation][nom]zingam_duo[/nom]They are a f...n monopoly with no alternatives at all..[/citation] What about Linux and Mac OS aren't they an alternative to windows.
 
As cynical as John C. Dvorak can be at times, this is one of those issues I'm glad he's speaking loudly (as usual) about. Of course I, as many others, have the luxury of sitting back and chilling with Windows 7 the same way users of Windows XP did and just watching the show. Something just smells fishy when every journalist seems to be giving more praise for Windows 8 without thoroughly criticizing where it falls short, mainly with some major alternations that we're all familiar with.

I like a lot of the new features added into Windows 8 pushing things further, but the interface is just inexcusable. Dvorak is absolutely right about it being the biggest gamble Microsoft has ever made, and Microsoft knows it.

Of course I'm going to be sitting back watching the show as I've played around with it in a VM and those small changes frustrate the hell out of me and I'm sure others who use there PC heavily.
 
I will reiterate a point I made some time ago; this whole thing is overhyped on both ends. Win8 is not as revolutionary as MSFT is trying to make it out to be, and it's not as bad as a lot of people, like Mr. Dvorak, try to make it out to be. Turn on your PC, type in your password, click on the desktop icon, and you're almost completely done with interacting with Metro. You can still add program icons to your desktop and taskbar. You almost NEVER have to interact with Metro.

I would also note that some of the same "analysts" who are criticizing the ubiquitous look across all Windows screens were criticizing MSFT for not designing its interfaces more alike.

I'm not in love with the Metro interface. It does need a lot of work, and doesn't work exceptionally well, but it functions at least as well as Win7 did for me at this point in its life-cycle. I think it's a good course. If you don't want to use the apps, the programs are still there with the desktop - use that instead. If you've got constructive criticism, let them hear it. If not, stop crying that the sky is falling and get over it. No one is going to force you to use 8, and they'll be well on their way to developing 9 by the time support for 7 starts to taper off.
 
[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]I'm a Metro-hater so I think this is spot on, but in 1984 this guy predicted Macintosh would fail because it forces a mouse on users, because it has no cursor keys or a numeric keypad, because icons as a concept are unintuitive and because fonts are unnecessary. He also said the iPhone and iPad would not be successful, so... now I'm not sure. Let's wait and see.[/citation]
If you go by this idiot's track record....Windows8 will be an insanely huge success....

[citation][nom]shafe88[/nom]What about Linux and Mac OS aren't they an alternative to windows.[/citation]
Linux is, yes. MacOS requires you to either buy an Apple branded "computer" or install it illegally.

[citation][nom]randoMIZER[/nom]Kev, Windows 8 is out of the oven and cooling on the kitchen bench now. There's no turning back![/citation]
MS still has plenty of time to make alterations to Windows 8....
 
Windows 8 as an OS is AMAZING, it is tiny, responsive, and makes my little Atom netbook with 2GB of ram feel like a real computer, while having tons more features than any apple or android tablet on the market (my netbook is a convertible tablet... and about 3 years old at that). To say that the OS sucks because of the interface for a launching platform is dumb and uninformed.

As far as Metro goes, I do not understand what people dislike about it. Yes, it is a 1st gen interface, and there are improvements to be made, but it is not all bad either. As a tablet interface it allows for multitasking... with a touch-only device... that is something that apple and android have not figured out yet. As a desktop interface you rarely ever see metro to begin with. Pin your applicaitons to the start menu, make shortcuts to the desktop, press the start button and type in the first letter or 2 of the program you are looking for. You NEVER have to troll through the old start menu, or scroll/pan through the new start screen to launch an application. File associations are super easy to set, and any time you install a new piece of software it asks you what file types you want to use with the program... it is stupid easy.
What's more; it has excellent cloud support. I constantly move between 4-5 computers all the time, and would love to have my preferences follow me. I love that I have my documents and desktop synced across my 3 most used platforms via skydrive (yay for win7 availability!). I like the new pin and picture log-in screens. I did not like metro apps to begin with, but as I have used them in the latest version I have to say that I like how they interact, and that they are simple to use and set up. I like that when I reformatted my netbook to move from the old version to the new version I already had my user picture, desktop, password, netwrok settings, and various other preferences all set up the minute I loged into the computer the first time, and that my documents were available in a few hours after they were done syncing. I like that word documents opened on skydrive's version of office on my netbook that does not have an office liscence.

What I dont like, and what nobody is talking about, is that it has the same broken voice interface as win Vista and 7. Seriously, with apple and android having superb voice commands, win8 still feels like it is in the '90s when it comes to voice integration. Voice control and dictation features are a MUST feature on devices that do not have a keybaord. And while the split keys with the #pad in the middle is brilliant, voice is simply easier for most input options. And the ironic thing is that the xBOX, which MS also owns, has relatively great voice control. It is not perfect, but it is more useful than most implementations, and I would be much more likely to use voice controls on my tablet than I would ever use them on a console.

Anywho, other than 'it is different' or 'I don't like it' what are the real things about metro that people do not like? Yes, there is a minor learning curve, but after using it for a week I really don't see what all the fuss about it is. Again, not saying it is the holy grail of interfaces, but what about it is any worse than the start menu? Personally I find that it takes less keystrokes and clicks to use than the start menu ever did, and that is an improvement in my book.
 
The problem with Windows 8 is metro. Windows users are going to look at it and wonder where every thing is.
Businesses aren't going to adopt it because they will spend hours teaching employees how to use it. they will sit tight with windows 7 OR XP.
I am going to stick with windows 7 and wait for Win9 and hope it not like windows 8
 
Oh by the way toms: I like the new THG app, it works pretty good. Just wish it had community support on it so that I could rant in program instead of having to transition to the web version.
 
I put win8 through the paces for several months until I could finally handle it no longer. Full screen apps on a 27" monitor was a serious waste of space, not to mention it was downright ugly. Installing win7 again was a relief. I really disliked ubuntu's unity as well and finally installed gnome classic to ease that pain. Too bad there's no such option in win8.
 
I can't believe so many people think Microsoft is trying to sell this as a desktop OS. If you are that ignorant to understand its true meaning as competition in the mobile market, then you obviously don't belong reviewing the software. Microsoft knows that Windows 7 is its Desktop version, and is not trying to say " Hey desktop users upgrade now!". Get your head out of the sand.
 
Just an amusing note - I installed Win 8 Preview on my touch screen computer only to find it completely unusable! Let me explain - Most touch screens have a thick raised bezel that doesn't allow you to touch right into the corners.......guess where windows 8 needs you to push! P.S With mouse and keyboard - I find parts of windows 8 cool, while overall its very bitsy, kind of a pain if you are trying to actually do any work and not just messing around! I think the general consumer on a non-touch screen computer is going to find the experience a bit confusing. I hope touch screen manufacturers start to design screens without raised bezels.
 
[citation][nom]CaedenV[/nom]Anywho, other than 'it is different' or 'I don't like it' what are the real things about metro that people do not like?[/citation]

You can't split the screen 50:50 in Metro, only 75:25 or whatever, and only vertically.
When you want to launch a new app, you have to go to a different screen which is distracting.
Most interface elements are too big for my screens.
Metro apps don't work in desktop mode and desktop apps don't work in Metro mode, so you can't use them side-by-side, and also it forks the entire Windows software ecosystem.
How do I scroll the Metro start screen using only the mouse? Do I still have to hit the scrollbar on the bottom?
Those corner gestures are a bitch to use on the middle display.

Those are some things that I don't like about the Metro UI, off the top of my head. And I can't think of even one redeeming feature (talking only about Metro).
 
MS has had it's far share of unloved products (Windows ME, Vista) . I think that if they can make it make it work as well on the PC as it does on the phone. I look forward to dynamic tiles on my desktop and a nice stable platform, for the next gen. games and everyday computing.
 
Last I heard Microsoft had the brilliant idea of removing the start button in favor of "metro" and removing dvd support from Windows media player.

Micrososoft peaked with XP, 7 is okay, but they're in a pattern of okay/crap/okay/crap/okay/crap/okay/crap.

Yes, that's how I remember the 3.1/95/98/00ME/XP/Vista/7/8 progression... 25 years of okay/crap
 
I agree. Windows 8 is unusable for desktop users as it is. It would work for tablets and phones with large screens but no way it will work for desktops, it offers no advantage at all over windows 7. They should have polished windows 7 (like maybe to improve the control panel and make it more modern, etc...), make it run faster, improve security, add new useful features, change the way programs are installed to improve security), etc...
 
[citation][nom]zcpro[/nom]Windows Metro UI is a complete nightmare! This will be a disaster of unimaginable proportions. Remember windows Vista? Well, multiply that experience by 100. I almost ripped my hairs out trying to use this thing. I provided technical support to end users working at a call center for over a decade. You could not pay me enough to walk someone through this piece of junk. You just CANNOT navigate through the system with a keyboard and mouse. Not everyone will be buying a tablet PC or touchscreen AIO where Win 8 excels in. The average Joe just wants to click on a icon to browse websites, facebook, etc. SIMPLE AND EASY!Customers will be screaming for refunds and/or demanding a downgrade to Win 7.[/citation]
If you cant navigate metro with your keyboard than you dont know how to use your keyboard. I have had 8 for a fewmonths now and I almost always use my keyboard. Its different, but if you cant use your arrow keys you have some big problems with computers in general.
 
This is how bad Windows 8 is...I'm 44 years old. I've been using computers since I was 10. My first computer was a TRS-80. Back when the 'big battle' was between Apple and the TRaSh-80 as some liked to call it. Then IBM rolled around, and I got on the PC bandwaggon. Never went near an Apple computer except at my cousin's house. Went to college are started building PCs as a hobby, for myself and for friends. I work as a software developer. I've been in IT my whole life and never owned an Apple computer. I'm in the market for a new laptop, and if Windows 8 is really the direction that Microsoft is headed in, then I'm seriously going to consider buying a Macbook Pro. Microsoft is going to lose customers by the droves unless they reverse course.
 
[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]You can't split the screen 50:50 in Metro, only 75:25 or whatever, and only vertically.When you want to launch a new app, you have to go to a different screen which is distracting.Most interface elements are too big for my screens. Metro apps don't work in desktop mode and desktop apps don't work in Metro mode, so you can't use them side-by-side, and also it forks the entire Windows software ecosystem.How do I scroll the Metro start screen using only the mouse? Do I still have to hit the scrollbar on the bottom?Those corner gestures are a bitch to use on the middle display.Those are some things that I don't like about the Metro UI, off the top of my head. And I can't think of even one redeeming feature (talking only about Metro).[/citation]
To scroll using the mouse? Really? You scroll with the scroll wheel.....
 
That metro UI is the worst UI I've ever seen for a desktop or laptop. My 30 pound desktop is NOT a tablet. The idiots in Redmond had better stop trying to treat it like one before I switch to linux or something. For now, I'm sticking with Windows 7.
 
[citation][nom]sirencall[/nom]To scroll using the mouse? Really? You scroll with the scroll wheel.....[/citation]

Yeah, just tried that now, it never occured to me since scrolling is sideways and the scroll wheel goes up and down. I guess I do need things dumbed down for me. Now for those other issues...
 
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