Matrix Online how bad is it really?

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shadows <shadows@whitefang.com> writes:

> Everything wasn't reset. It was reset before but in M3 things
> finally changed. Did you see the same movie I did?

Yes: At the very end when the Oracle (or the little shaper girl? I
forget) walks past the cat, the world "resets" from the cold, drab
world that the Smith virus turned it into to a colorful sunny day.

Maybe not a "reset" as such, but the Matrix has ben repopulated at
that point - possibly by restoring the normal RSI of each person.

 

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shadows wrote:

> On 2005-05-12, Gerry Quinn <gerryq@DELETETHISindigo.ie> wrote:
>
>
>>2. The plot: Agent Smith is a defensive program gone wrong, to the
>>detriment of humans and machines alike.
>
>
> You're getting things mixed up. Agent Smith was a Program, Neo
> was a Human, and the machines are completely seperate. Three
> different factions.

Gerry said that "Agent Smith is a defensive PROGRAM gone wrong."

> The irony, which was lost on a lot of people, is that Neo and
> Smith wanted, ultimately, the same thing.

Huh? And how did you figure this out from the plot? This is just your
opinion on what was going on...from the plot it isn't clear what anyone
wanted...

 

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In article <84WdnU9OisDbeRnfRVn-uA@comcast.com>, jgarvin2004
@comcast.net says...

> >>Read A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula Le Guin. They blatantly stole the
> >>ending from there.

> > Actually, no: they blatently stole the end from "Third Eye" by Sophia
> > Stewart, who submitted the story to the Wachowski brothers several
> > years before and had it rejected. They just didn't understand the
> > ending, which is why they told it so badly. The subject is currently
> > in court (and probably will be until the end of time, with a
> > never-ending string of appeals...)

What a sleazy trick, making an ending different when it's really the
same.

Still she is on stronger ground with her claim that they stole the name
of her character Icon, by simply renaming him Neo.

The things these movie producers think they can get away with!

- Gerry Quinn

 

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In article <slrnd8alo6.9h3.shadows@helena.whitefang.com>,
shadows@whitefang.com says...
> On 2005-05-12, Gerry Quinn <gerryq@DELETETHISindigo.ie> wrote:

> > 2. The plot: Agent Smith is a defensive program gone wrong, to the
> > detriment of humans and machines alike.

> You're getting things mixed up. Agent Smith was a Program, Neo
> was a Human, and the machines are completely seperate. Three
> different factions.

Which is exactly what I said in the quoted paragraph!

> The irony, which was lost on a lot of people, is that Neo and
> Smith wanted, ultimately, the same thing.

Neo wanted the extermination of humanity? Yup, that one was lost on
me...

- Gerry Quinn

 

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On 2005-05-14, Tor Iver Wilhelmsen <tor.iver.wilhelmsen@broadpark.no> wrote:
> shadows <shadows@whitefang.com> writes:
>
>> Everything wasn't reset. It was reset before but in M3 things
>> finally changed. Did you see the same movie I did?
>
> Yes: At the very end when the Oracle (or the little shaper girl? I
> forget) walks past the cat, the world "resets" from the cold, drab
> world that the Smith virus turned it into to a colorful sunny day.
>
> Maybe not a "reset" as such, but the Matrix has ben repopulated at
> that point - possibly by restoring the normal RSI of each person.

Smiths damage was removed and a sun rose. It became a new
Matrix. This isn't Dues Ex Machina. The whole point of MxO is to
carry on the story in the new war which now brews between the
humans, machines, and the programs inside the Matrix. Previously
the humans were simply eradicated and refarmed whenever the
"glitch" (Neo) would appear.

 

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ReKTaKoN wrote:

>Matrix: Revolutions isn't a sequel. Its the second half of Matrix:
>Reloaded. It might be a bit unfair to view these films separately as
>the Star Wars or LOTR films are viewed in their trilogies(sp?).
>
>

OK so I load up #1 at midnight, finish #3 about dawn. Works fine for
me.


>As to the 1st film, I enjoyed it up to the point where Cypher betrays
>the others, then it just becomes so much fanboy gushing
>Neo-wannabe-ism.
>
>

Some people like a little fanboy gushing Neo-wannabe-ism. They did fail
to justify the transformation of Neo the run-like-hell guy into the
NEO-UBER-AGENT-BUSTER, or even the Sleeping Beauty treatment she gives
him. I mean, at least a kiss or something? Maybe massage the heart for
real? Just words? Sorry, wrong number.

One technical glitch in #1: cypher calls in on a hardline pay phone to
say he needs an exit, and has to run to the repair shop for one?
Ooooops!

>I find I'm enjoying watching the 2nd film more now than the 1st one,
>although there is still than 'fanboy' element in the 2nd film also.
>
>

At least by then he has shown people something to be fanboiz about.

>The 2nd film's action and SFXs more than make up for its other flaws
>for me.
>
>

But the dialogue gets far more stilted. Almost like it was written by
Jack Web.

--
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shadows <shadows@whitefang.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On 2005-05-14, Tor Iver Wilhelmsen <tor.iver.wilhelmsen@broadpark.no> wrote:
>> shadows <shadows@whitefang.com> writes:
>>
>>> Everything wasn't reset. It was reset before but in M3 things
>>> finally changed. Did you see the same movie I did?
>>
>> Yes: At the very end when the Oracle (or the little shaper girl? I
>> forget) walks past the cat, the world "resets" from the cold, drab
>> world that the Smith virus turned it into to a colorful sunny day.
>>
>> Maybe not a "reset" as such, but the Matrix has ben repopulated at
>> that point - possibly by restoring the normal RSI of each person.
>
>Smiths damage was removed and a sun rose. It became a new
>Matrix. This isn't Dues Ex Machina. The whole point of MxO is to
>carry on the story in the new war which now brews between the
>humans, machines, and the programs inside the Matrix. Previously
>the humans were simply eradicated and refarmed whenever the
>"glitch" (Neo) would appear.

Er, the "free" humans were eradicated you mean.

What was it the architect said, "the one's" job was to pick 23 people
(16f/7m) from the matrix to rebuild zion?

I don't think he was talking about wiping all humans in the Matrix and
starting another crop.

[Actually, just checked the dvd, he's definitely talking about the
destruction and rebuilding of zion, not the matrix in general.]

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

 

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Xocyll wrote:

>What was it the architect said, "the one's" job was to pick 23 people
>(16f/7m) from the matrix to rebuild zion?
>
>

They also saddled him with carrying the code to initiate its destruction
and reload the matrix. That's how I know the evil part was written
by/for billgates: he always wants everyone to be constantly having to
restart.

>[Actually, just checked the dvd, he's definitely talking about the
>destruction and rebuilding of zion, not the matrix in general.]
>
>

Glad we got that cleared up.

--
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Quaestor <no.spam@my.place> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>ReKTaKoN wrote:
>
>>Matrix: Revolutions isn't a sequel. Its the second half of Matrix:
>>Reloaded. It might be a bit unfair to view these films separately as
>>the Star Wars or LOTR films are viewed in their trilogies(sp?).
>>
>>
>
>OK so I load up #1 at midnight, finish #3 about dawn. Works fine for
>me.
>
>
>>As to the 1st film, I enjoyed it up to the point where Cypher betrays
>>the others, then it just becomes so much fanboy gushing
>>Neo-wannabe-ism.
>>
>>
>
>Some people like a little fanboy gushing Neo-wannabe-ism. They did fail
>to justify the transformation of Neo the run-like-hell guy into the
>NEO-UBER-AGENT-BUSTER, or even the Sleeping Beauty treatment she gives
>him. I mean, at least a kiss or something? Maybe massage the heart for
>real? Just words? Sorry, wrong number.

Wasn't that the whole bit the Oracle went on about though?
He had to make the choice and actually believe in himself in order to
reach his full potential.
The wake from the dead bit was pretty odd though.
I guess once you've transcended the basic rules of the Matrix (dying and
coming back) then you would have to believe fully after that and not
gimp yourself with disbelief.

>One technical glitch in #1: cypher calls in on a hardline pay phone to
>say he needs an exit, and has to run to the repair shop for one?
>Ooooops!

Is that a glitch though?

I don't think a "hardline" is any non-mobile phone, that would just be a
land-line.
It's specific phones that are "secure" or link properly for their
purposes that are "hardlines".
[Ones that have access out through the firewall for a possible analogy.]

>>I find I'm enjoying watching the 2nd film more now than the 1st one,
>>although there is still than 'fanboy' element in the 2nd film also.
>>
>At least by then he has shown people something to be fanboiz about.
>
>>The 2nd film's action and SFXs more than make up for its other flaws
>>for me.
>>
>But the dialogue gets far more stilted. Almost like it was written by
>Jack Web.

Oh god yes.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

 

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In article <118b5l07k1ab5cb@news.supernews.com>,
Quaestor <no.spam@my.place> wrote:
>
>I would have done the excuse part entirely differently. The machines
>were spawned by human AI projects. Obviously the humans would have
>programmed a prime directive of protecting the existance of humans. SO,
>once things went wrong and the machines started making political
>decisions, they would implement this protection (al la "Colossus - The
>Forbin Project") by enslaving them in the Matrix.

Sounds a bit like _The Humanoids_ by Jack Williamson. No 'Matrix', but
the basic concept of artificial intelligences created to protect humans
that wind up destroying humanity is the same. A creepy story, in no
small part because (IIRC) the bad guys win.

--
Kyle Haight