Maximum rate of descent?

[dallas]

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In practice, what's the maximum rate of descent that your passengers can
handle in an unpressurized aircraft?

Dallas

 

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Dallas

Are you talking GA or commercial, and normal or emergency ops. The thing
that springs to mind is the recent tragedy in Greece. If the plane
depressurises and the crew are still in control (Not in that case)they will
come down very fast, but you would definitely spill some gin. The big stuff
like the 747 will stand some amazing forces when diving.

Don't have the figures to hand at the minute unfortunately.

Geoff


"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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> In practice, what's the maximum rate of descent that your passengers can
> handle in an unpressurized aircraft?
>
> Dallas
>
>

 

[dallas]

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"GeoffC"
> Are you talking GA or commercial, and normal or emergency ops.

Normal GA ops. I was at 10k feet last night with a Cessna single in the
mountains and the airfield was at 600 feet. I *could* get down pretty fast,
but I could also blow out my eardrums (virtually speaking .



Dallas

 

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Dallas wrote:
> "GeoffC"
>> Are you talking GA or commercial, and normal or emergency ops.
>
> Normal GA ops. I was at 10k feet last night with a Cessna single in
> the mountains and the airfield was at 600 feet. I *could* get down
> pretty fast, but I could also blow out my eardrums (virtually
> speaking .
>
>


I don't think goin down from 10K is goin to hurt anyone, without rippin the
blinkin wings off the aircraft maun, but further up (altitude) it does. I
was on a 727 the night Tricky Dicky resigned, leaving Indianapolis we were
on board at the gate at the terminal, the captain put his "goodbye" speech
on the intercom, the passengers applauded afterwards, and we were off to
Kansas City. Somewhere in between over FL 030, about the time the stew was
by our seat with the drink cart, everyones ears started popping, etc., the
oxygen masks dropped from the overhead, women & girlie boys started
screeming, the captain put it into a emergencey dive to FL010, and I
observed the following: the seats in front of me were empty - the seats in
front of that had a middle aged man going out of his mind because the masks
in that row hadn't dropped, even though there was NO sign of any actual
oxygen diprivation to anyone
so I stood up on my seat and reached over to poke him on his sweaty head
that there were three masks hanging in the row behind him, unused - he
didn't go around the passegeway, but rather leaped over the seat backs to
get one of the masks, totally un-needed, behind him. In the meantime, my
seat mate, and I, helped ourselves to a six pack of beer on the cart
abandented by the stew to help the other panicking passengers. When she
returned a little later, after we had reached a "safe" altitude, she noticed
the half dozen empty beer bottles, and declined our offer to pay for our
indulgance while plummenting to our death.......... Of course we might have
actually plummented to our death, but............... Actual problem was the
crew lost automatic cabin pressure and had to resort to manual, which was a
very finicky process according to my CFI, who was then a TWA 1st officer...

 

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Beech45Whiskey wrote:
>
> FL030 is 3,000 feet and FL010 is 1,000 feet (at standard pressure).

opps, what a difference a 0 makes.............

 

[Arthur]

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Great story, CRaSH......you slay me sometimes : )

Arthur

"CRaSH" <sorry@aint-here.spam.com> wrote in message
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> Dallas wrote:
>> "GeoffC"
>>> Are you talking GA or commercial, and normal or emergency ops.
>>
>> Normal GA ops. I was at 10k feet last night with a Cessna single in
>> the mountains and the airfield was at 600 feet. I *could* get down
>> pretty fast, but I could also blow out my eardrums (virtually
>> speaking .
>>
>>
>
>
> I don't think goin down from 10K is goin to hurt anyone, without rippin
> the blinkin wings off the aircraft maun, but further up (altitude) it
> does. I was on a 727 the night Tricky Dicky resigned, leaving
> Indianapolis we were on board at the gate at the terminal, the captain put
> his "goodbye" speech on the intercom, the passengers applauded afterwards,
> and we were off to Kansas City. Somewhere in between over FL 030, about
> the time the stew was by our seat with the drink cart, everyones ears
> started popping, etc., the oxygen masks dropped from the overhead, women &
> girlie boys started screeming, the captain put it into a emergencey dive
> to FL010, and I observed the following: the seats in front of me were
> empty - the seats in front of that had a middle aged man going out of his
> mind because the masks in that row hadn't dropped, even though there was
> NO sign of any actual oxygen diprivation to anyone
> so I stood up on my seat and reached over to poke him on his sweaty head
> that there were three masks hanging in the row behind him, unused - he
> didn't go around the passegeway, but rather leaped over the seat backs to
> get one of the masks, totally un-needed, behind him. In the meantime, my
> seat mate, and I, helped ourselves to a six pack of beer on the cart
> abandented by the stew to help the other panicking passengers. When she
> returned a little later, after we had reached a "safe" altitude, she
> noticed the half dozen empty beer bottles, and declined our offer to pay
> for our indulgance while plummenting to our death.......... Of course we
> might have actually plummented to our death, but............... Actual
> problem was the crew lost automatic cabin pressure and had to resort to
> manual, which was a very finicky process according to my CFI, who was then
> a TWA 1st officer...
>

 

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CRaSH wrote:

> oxygen masks dropped from the overhead, women & girlie boys started
> screeming, the captain put it into a emergencey dive to FL010, and I

I can't believe you screamed, Don! I thought you had some cojones?
<g>


Marcel

 

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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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> In practice, what's the maximum rate of descent that your passengers can
> handle in an unpressurized aircraft?
>

I just wanted to restate that the question involves an unpressurized
aircraft, which likely would be flying below FL200. I say this because
there are many comments about what happens at high altitudes and pressurized
aircraft and that kind of confuses things.

 

[crash]

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Gary L. wrote:
>
> I just wanted to restate that the question involves an unpressurized
> aircraft, which likely would be flying below FL200.

Oh I donno, the unpressurized M/S Bell 206 can whiplash you up to FL600 in
nothing flat!!

 

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Couldn't agree more - CRaSH is a true Classic!

JW
"Arthur" <simmeronlo@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> Great story, CRaSH......you slay me sometimes : )
>
> Arthur
>
> "CRaSH" <sorry@aint-here.spam.com> wrote in message
> news:GauPe.125013$E95.24770@fed1read01...
>> Dallas wrote:
>>> "GeoffC"
>>>> Are you talking GA or commercial, and normal or emergency ops.
>>>
>>> Normal GA ops. I was at 10k feet last night with a Cessna single in
>>> the mountains and the airfield was at 600 feet. I *could* get down
>>> pretty fast, but I could also blow out my eardrums (virtually
>>> speaking .
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think goin down from 10K is goin to hurt anyone, without rippin
>> the blinkin wings off the aircraft maun, but further up (altitude) it
>> does. I was on a 727 the night Tricky Dicky resigned, leaving
>> Indianapolis we were on board at the gate at the terminal, the captain
>> put his "goodbye" speech on the intercom, the passengers applauded
>> afterwards, and we were off to Kansas City. Somewhere in between over FL
>> 030, about the time the stew was by our seat with the drink cart,
>> everyones ears started popping, etc., the oxygen masks dropped from the
>> overhead, women & girlie boys started screeming, the captain put it into
>> a emergencey dive to FL010, and I observed the following: the seats in
>> front of me were empty - the seats in front of that had a middle aged man
>> going out of his mind because the masks in that row hadn't dropped, even
>> though there was NO sign of any actual oxygen diprivation to anyone
>> so I stood up on my seat and reached over to poke him on his sweaty head
>> that there were three masks hanging in the row behind him, unused - he
>> didn't go around the passegeway, but rather leaped over the seat backs to
>> get one of the masks, totally un-needed, behind him. In the meantime, my
>> seat mate, and I, helped ourselves to a six pack of beer on the cart
>> abandented by the stew to help the other panicking passengers. When she
>> returned a little later, after we had reached a "safe" altitude, she
>> noticed the half dozen empty beer bottles, and declined our offer to pay
>> for our indulgance while plummenting to our death.......... Of course we
>> might have actually plummented to our death, but............... Actual
>> problem was the crew lost automatic cabin pressure and had to resort to
>> manual, which was a very finicky process according to my CFI, who was
>> then a TWA 1st officer...
>>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Great story Crash but we all have to ask....................did you enjoy
the beer?

Ibby

"John Ward" <johnrmward@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Couldn't agree more - CRaSH is a true Classic!
>
> JW
> "Arthur" <simmeronlo@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:N8qdnf9kzYXCC5PeRVn-oA@rogers.com...
>> Great story, CRaSH......you slay me sometimes : )
>>
>> Arthur
>>
>> "CRaSH" <sorry@aint-here.spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:GauPe.125013$E95.24770@fed1read01...
>>> Dallas wrote:
>>>> "GeoffC"
>>>>> Are you talking GA or commercial, and normal or emergency ops.
>>>>
>>>> Normal GA ops. I was at 10k feet last night with a Cessna single in
>>>> the mountains and the airfield was at 600 feet. I *could* get down
>>>> pretty fast, but I could also blow out my eardrums (virtually
>>>> speaking .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think goin down from 10K is goin to hurt anyone, without rippin
>>> the blinkin wings off the aircraft maun, but further up (altitude) it
>>> does. I was on a 727 the night Tricky Dicky resigned, leaving
>>> Indianapolis we were on board at the gate at the terminal, the captain
>>> put his "goodbye" speech on the intercom, the passengers applauded
>>> afterwards, and we were off to Kansas City. Somewhere in between over
>>> FL 030, about the time the stew was by our seat with the drink cart,
>>> everyones ears started popping, etc., the oxygen masks dropped from the
>>> overhead, women & girlie boys started screeming, the captain put it into
>>> a emergencey dive to FL010, and I observed the following: the seats in
>>> front of me were empty - the seats in front of that had a middle aged
>>> man going out of his mind because the masks in that row hadn't dropped,
>>> even though there was NO sign of any actual oxygen diprivation to anyone
>>> so I stood up on my seat and reached over to poke him on his sweaty head
>>> that there were three masks hanging in the row behind him, unused - he
>>> didn't go around the passegeway, but rather leaped over the seat backs
>>> to get one of the masks, totally un-needed, behind him. In the
>>> meantime, my seat mate, and I, helped ourselves to a six pack of beer on
>>> the cart abandented by the stew to help the other panicking passengers.
>>> When she returned a little later, after we had reached a "safe"
>>> altitude, she noticed the half dozen empty beer bottles, and declined
>>> our offer to pay for our indulgance while plummenting to our
>>> death.......... Of course we might have actually plummented to our
>>> death, but............... Actual problem was the crew lost automatic
>>> cabin pressure and had to resort to manual, which was a very finicky
>>> process according to my CFI, who was then a TWA 1st officer...
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

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Ibby (The Artist Formerly Known as Chris) wrote:
> Great story Crash but we all have to ask....................did you
> enjoy the beer?
>


Always - even Fosters!

 

[Guest]

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They always advertise Fosters as 'The Amber Nectar' in UK and depict it as
the favourite national beer for Australia but from what I have heard from my
wife's family from OZ and other sources its not well liked down under.

What does John Ward think of this brand of 'dizzy water'

Ibby

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> Ibby (The Artist Formerly Known as Chris) wrote:
>> Great story Crash but we all have to ask....................did you
>> enjoy the beer?
>>
>
>
> Always - even Fosters!
>

 

[crash]

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Ibby (The Artist Formerly Known as Chris) wrote:
>
> What does John Ward think of this brand of 'dizzy water'
>


I believe he says it has great medicinal properties - for soaking your
feet...

 

[crash]

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John Ward wrote:
>
> Always look on the bright side.
>


You're right JW.. I tell myself "things could be worse" - and sur-nuff,
they get worse...

(naw, just kidding - I've had a marvelous time on this planet [not perfect
by any stretch], especially when you look at the nearly indescribable,
horrific, alternatives I could have been born into, or just have the pure
bad luck so many do endure, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion)

 

[dallas]

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"Beech45Whiskey"
> Thus, I watch the time to the approach waypoint with the GPS
> and when the time nears this calculated value,

Maybe momma will get you a Garmin GNS430 for Christmas? <g>


Dallas

 

[dallas]

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"Beech45Whiskey"
> Sorry, but the <g> ain't doing it for me. What's the joke?

Oh, I was referencing the 430's VNAV feature to keep you from having to
manually make all those calculations and flash a message to you.

The <g> was under the assumption that a 430 is a pretty expensive piece of
gear that most GA pilots can't cost justify and wouldn't it be nice if
someone gave one to you as a present.

Yeah, kinda obscure humor...

Now you're going to tell me you have one, right?

Dallas

 

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In article <wqpsqjkkicpw.dlg@ID-259643.user.individual.net>,
pjricc@gmail.com says...
> I would much prefer to hear it
> over the headsets rather than having to acknowledge a flashing message
> light on the GPS. For some reason the FAA didn't allow this feature when
> they were certifying these GPS's for IFR flight.

The FAA has some conservative ideas on what is good and what might
overload pilots. One would think that anything that kept eyes outside
the cockpit instead of on the instruments was good. It's particularly
hard to understand when one can plug just about anything (CD player,
cell phone, ...) into one's intercom panel.

/Chris T

 

[David]

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skydivers freefall with no pressurisation systems and they dont seem to be
bothered to much,

David




"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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> In practice, what's the maximum rate of descent that your passengers can
> handle in an unpressurized aircraft?
>
> Dallas
>
>

 

[Guest]

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True, but they dont skydive from 35000 ft where there is no/little air
pressure

Ibby

"David" <drdavid32@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> skydivers freefall with no pressurisation systems and they dont seem to be
> bothered to much,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> "Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
> news:2IqPe.1670$Wd7.1296@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In practice, what's the maximum rate of descent that your passengers can
>> handle in an unpressurized aircraft?
>>
>> Dallas
>>
>>
>
>

 

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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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>>> In practice, what's the maximum rate of descent that your passengers can
>>> handle in an unpressurized aircraft?

"David" <drdavid32@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> skydivers freefall with no pressurisation systems and they dont seem to
>> be bothered to much,

"Ibby (The Artist Formerly Known as Chris)"
<chris@mwapartnershipNOSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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> True, but they dont skydive from 35000 ft where there is no/little air
> pressure

Don't forget about military HALO jumpers, they jump from FL300 with oxygen
bottles, but I assume no pressure to the ears.

I understand a civilian skydiver in freefall typically falls at up to 130
MPH, which is 11,440 FPM!

 

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"Gary L." <noone@123.net> wrote:

>I understand a civilian skydiver in freefall typically falls at up to 130
>MPH, which is 11,440 FPM!
>

He, he - are you implying no-civilian skydivers fall at different
speeds? ;-)

The generally accepted average 'terminal velocity' is around 124mph or
200 kph - so you're close.

<http://hypertextbook.com/facts/JianHuang.shtml>

-=tom=-

 

[dallas]

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"David"
> >> skydivers freefall with no pressurisation systems and they dont seem to
> >> be bothered to much,

Good point.


Dallas

 

[Bob]

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Ibby (The Artist Formerly Known as Chris) wrote:

> They always advertise Fosters as 'The Amber Nectar' in UK and depict it as
> the favourite national beer for Australia but from what I have heard from my
> wife's family from OZ and other sources its not well liked down under.
>
> What does John Ward think of this brand of 'dizzy water'
>
> Ibby


Here are the commercials in the USA. Fosters, Australian for "BEER"


http://flightsims.vze.com/adverts

--

boB,
SAG 70

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)

 

[Guest]

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> Yes, it came with the airplane. You and I have had this discussion
> before. Maybe I should change my moniker back to the original one to
> prevent all of this identity confusion as of late. Anyway, here is a
> picture of my V35 panel somewhere above south central Kansas, USA:
>
> http://thericcs.net/aviation/misc/BE35panel.JPG


Wow! That looks as good as a real one


--
Sincerely,
Quilljar