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Frankly, we had a cloud outsource company trying to sell their product, and they were telling us how they could install "illegal" software for us, whatever. Major company, largest cloud setup in the state. We rejected it base fears for the technology, the reality of a legal risk, did not even occur to us. if we had gone with this and something similar had happened (the future of SOPA), a 100 million dollar a year company that employs over 150 people, with families, would have been shut down.
 
This is the exact reason why I will not rely on the cloud for my data. I hope that everyone who uploaded data to this kept a copy on there hard drive.
 
Hey Chaos! lmao, what shocked me was how they said:

"look, everyone uses illegal software, so we know that's what scares people about cloud, so we'll help you install and provide illegal software on the cloud, no problems"

no doubt they say that to every client. one day soon, multiple legitimate companies and the families they support will be shut down, leaving many unemployed. a single cloud my support many companies, and clearly the government is incapable of doing this piecemeal.
 
what about the users from around the world, not in US, that used the service? Do the feds have authority to wipe out all their data as well? I mean, since when can the US bully other countries in the individual and personal manner like this? There are many users who used this as a storage for personal stuff. One server in the country gives them the right to police the world?

The fact that the feds are making them erase all the files goes to show that they dont know what they are doing. Theyre only seeing it as a piracy website, and theyre ignoring that its really a filesharing website where people make stuff and share, and store stuff. Feds have become the entertainment business's tools.
 
[citation][nom]830hobbes[/nom]"Unreasonable search and seizure" doesn't include reasonable search and seizure in a criminal case. While it would be nice if users could get their files back and other countries can complain about the US overreaching, this is definitely not a violation of the US Bill of Rights.[/citation]

There is a difference between seizure and destruction of property. If they intend to destroy it, they clearly do not need it as evidence so at that point there isn't any further need for the seizure. They may not need it as evidence either if they have records of the illegal content being there. When you prosecute a drug dealer, you use his records and transactions as evidence, not the bag of drugs. Your property can be confiscated if it's in your friend's garage during an investigation, but they can't bulldoze the garage and everything in it.

This is a complete overreach and disregard of not just American property, but worldwide property. There has never before been a search and seizure that affects millions of worldwide people. If they destroy that property, it's bound to get some people worked up over it and raise worldwide anti-american sentiments. Why don't we take this kind of initiative when it comes to putting down South/Central American drug smuggling operations?
 
[citation][nom]acadia11[/nom]It's not people, it's money and power, and corporations have it, and the people are too stupid to realize that. Corporations have people convinced it's "class warfare" if you decry their practices, or that people not wanting to get ....ed is "envy", or that everyone or anyone can be rich. The fact is capitalism works like this you get power and leverage and once you have it, it's virtually impossible for someone who is not of the same stature to compete. Period. Can a mom and pop shop compete with Walmart heck no... is it the case that Walmart is better , no it's simply a case of they ahve the power and leverage to dominate the market, end of story.[/citation]

But its the fault of the citizens for giving the corporations that money and consequently, power. If in one week, 10 million people stopped shopping at Walmart and the executives saw that reflected in their P&L's, they would change their ways in an instant. Capitalism only works like this because its citizens refuse to unite and are content with mediocrity. I think George Carlin said it best. "Americans will remain willfully ignorant of the"...well I can't repeat the rest because of the language, but here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0&feature=related
 
The fact that the feds are making them erase all the files goes to show that they dont know what they are doing
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The fact that you wrote that shows that you don't have a clue as to what is happening in this case.

People, MU was a front end service, they actually rented out data space on 3rd party server farms. Please, for the love of anything you hold dear, let that sentence sink in. Those 3rd parties are holding your data and their contract was with MU, not the end users.

If MU doesn't pay them, then they have every right to free up that space so they can rent it out to another entity, unless whatever judicial entity that has jurisdiction over the 3rd tells them not to (which hasn't happened).

So the US gov is not deleting anything, they are simply relaying the info that the 3rd parties are saying they are going to do. The end users have no legal recourse with the 3rd parties either as they were interacting with MU, there were no contracts in place between them and the 3rd party vendors.

Most likely the 3rd parties wouldn't even be able to give back the info if they wanted to because they wouldn't be able to authenticate the end user without MU front end.

You want to blame someone, blame MU for their poor business practices that led to this, blame yourself for not making a copy or for using MU without really knowing what you were getting yourself into.

It took me all of 10 minutes way back when to realize that MU wasn't the service you want to use, told a few friends too, simply because they specifically did not physically store your data. If, for whatever reason this happened to say...Google, you'd have a decent chance of getting your data back at some point in time. This is because they themselves store the data. Should the gov freeze them, there's no reason for the data to get erased, unlike a 3rd party vendor who would need to open that space up for another client in order to stay in business.
 
I will download five million torrents over and over again just to piss off the MPAA and RIAA. I'm not even going to look or listen to them movies and songs, I just want to make them cringe.
 
[citation][nom]kcorp2003[/nom]they better give me full access to re-download my ~340GB of data. i'm really annoyed at this.[/citation]
You're a fucking tool if you didn't keep a local copy of that data.
Just sayin'
 
Why shouldn't it happen to Google, who provides the roadmap to these types sites. Hey, how about THG because occasionally someone might post information on less than legal practices or images/content that are copywrited? I've got an idea, how about we just hand the internet over to the US Government, Hollywood, Sony and Comcast and via Godaddy they can manage what we read, when we read it and how much this service will cost us. Then they can force it down the throats of every sinlge American via a Social Collective Information Redistribution Tax.

You're right, it is time that we stood up to the corruption and corporate lead coalition against Citizens. As a disclaimer here because I don't want the DHS knocking on my door I'll state that this is not a call for Civil Disruption via Legal Passive protesting as we all know this type of behavior is discouraged with stun guns and tear gas. I'm proud to be an American.
 
[citation][nom]the_krasno[/nom]I will download five million torrents over and over again just to piss off the MPAA and RIAA. I'm not even going to look or listen to them movies and songs, I just want to make them cringe.[/citation]

Smartest damn thing anyone has said here.
 
[citation][nom]ien2222[/nom]The fact that you wrote that shows that you don't have a clue as to what is happening in this case. People, MU was a front end service, they actually rented out data space on 3rd party server farms. Please, for the love of anything you hold dear, let that sentence sink in. Those 3rd parties are holding your data and their contract was with MU, not the end users. If MU doesn't pay them, then they have every right to free up that space so they can rent it out to another entity, unless whatever judicial entity that has jurisdiction over the 3rd tells them not to (which hasn't happened).So the US gov is not deleting anything, they are simply relaying the info that the 3rd parties are saying they are going to do. The end users have no legal recourse with the 3rd parties either as they were interacting with MU, there were no contracts in place between them and the 3rd party vendors.Most likely the 3rd parties wouldn't even be able to give back the info if they wanted to because they wouldn't be able to authenticate the end user without MU front end.You want to blame someone, blame MU for their poor business practices that led to this, blame yourself for not making a copy or for using MU without really knowing what you were getting yourself into.It took me all of 10 minutes way back when to realize that MU wasn't the service you want to use, told a few friends too, simply because they specifically did not physically store your data. If, for whatever reason this happened to say...Google, you'd have a decent chance of getting your data back at some point in time. This is because they themselves store the data. Should the gov freeze them, there's no reason for the data to get erased, unlike a 3rd party vendor who would need to open that space up for another client in order to stay in business.[/citation]

Opps, this is the smartest damn thing anyone has said here. The other one was actually the dumbest 😀
 
Guys, listen, go out and buy a couple of 2TB drives and stop moaning. This is no different than burying you money in a chest on open ground, only to come back years later and find someone has built a shopping mall on top of it.

If you want it safe, store it local.
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Guys, listen, go out and buy a couple of 2TB drives and stop moaning. This is no different than burying you money in a chest on open ground, only to come back years later and find someone has built a shopping mall on top of it.If you want it safe, store it local.[/citation]

for 4-500$ a drive if you want a decent warranty, and you need at least 2 for redundancy, or you store the data that isn't so important to burn/hdd store but important enough you don't want to delete it on a cloud. which at this point is cheaper than buying 2 more hdds every year because you have no extended warranty on the cheaper drives.

[citation][nom]the_krasno[/nom]I will download five million torrents over and over again just to piss off the MPAA and RIAA. I'm not even going to look or listen to them movies and songs, I just want to make them cringe.[/citation]

not condoning piracy, just a story of the time i did the exact same thing.

i got a c&d from a company that couldn't sue me, for downloading a show that was NEVER coming to america (this was 6 years ago, still hasn't come over) and the only way to get it aside from paying close to 400$ on a "maybe this person will send it" or 5000 on a 2 way flight to pick it up was downloading.

so what i did was i got every episode in the series and downloaded it over and over again for a month... funny what spite can do.
 
[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]for 4-500$ a drive if you want a decent warranty, and you need at least 2 for redundancy[/citation]
Prices have come way down already and people who stored on MU did so in the salad days when HDD prices were much lower anyway.
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And even if the cost was double what they are today it would seem like a bargain to the guy who just had all the photos and videos of his kids, and his wedding deleted.
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Prices have come way down already and people who stored on MU did so in the salad days when HDD prices were much lower anyway....And even if the cost was double what they are today it would seem like a bargain to the guy who just had all the photos and videos of his kids, and his wedding deleted.[/citation]

im not looking at consumer, as those warranties got gimped all around, and how well made they are comes into question because of that. im looking at enterprise drives, which start at 450$ minimum for 1tb i believe on newegg. those ones still have the solid 5 years on them, and would be better than a yearly migration to a new drive due to warranties.
 
Have u guys considered that Megaupload have not been found guilty in any court of law and they are talking about the destruction of 50 million user's personal data (legal or illegal).

This legal case will drag on for years. What happens if a few year from now Megaupload under some technicality was set free (OJ was found innocent)? Megaupload in anyway destroyed. No matter whether they are guilty or innocent, an entire industry is shaken to the core.

This is a powerfull tool to destroy competition. Just accuse any competitor in any part in the world and let the governments destroy that company in legal wrangling (slow and painfull death with no recourse). This is the intelectual properties owner dream tool. Just point and everyone dies.
 
[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]im not looking at consumer, as those warranties got gimped all around, and how well made they are comes into question because of that. im looking at enterprise drives, which start at 450$ minimum for 1tb[/citation]
Of course you are not looking at the consumer, because only an enterprise drive would cost that much and only business would need or want one
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Which presents a bit of a problem, because no business would use MU to store customer data or it would be in breach of just about every data protection law that exists so they would always buy expensive hard drives to store themselves anyway so I have no idea why you even brought enterprise drives into it
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This MU issue will only be a problem to consumers who have stored irreplacable personal data such as family photos etc and I do feel sorry for them but the fact they didn't have an onsite backup anyway and use MU as an extra backup makes it their own damn fault, $150 for 2TB is enough to store almost a lifetime of pictures, don't be so cheap.
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Oh, and the file sharers that store on MU could care less as they will just torrent it all again
 
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