Microsoft Denies Windows 7 Has NSA Backdoor

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[citation][nom]danimal_the_animal[/nom]What ports do they use so that i can block them?ahh i will just use firestarter firewall[/citation]

Doen't do much good if they use a common port. I have seen where malicious code was using 443 (https) to send out on. Looks like standard secure web traffic and is not caught by most firewalls.
 
No djackson you misread my comment-- what I was trying to ask was how much further would he have gone under an environment that was conducive to fascism? He strikes me as the kind of man who will go as far as he can under the system he has to deal with and even push the envelop somewhat-- but during the period of time I referenced, I am willing to bet he would have gone much further...
 


Stop the propoganda amd execise your right to demand accountability from your government. Stop being a sheep. Your elected leaders will only do as much as you allow them to do. You don;t think NSA would love to read everyone's email?
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]And Linux, seeing as they have no representatives and even if they did then good luck getting an appointment for each of the thousand differant distros, PLUS, isnt the Linux community all about the end users doing things themselves?Man up and accept it, if you want the benefit of professional advice you should have gone there yourself.[/citation]
The only thing that would be worth taking to the NSA for help securing is the Linux kernel itself. There is little point worrying about individual distributions, since they all use this kernel. If they have unsafe security policies on top of the kernel, they should be intelligent enough to fix them, otherwise they are essentially by design (such as Ubuntu which has no root password without explicitly creating one later).

[citation][nom]djackson_dba[/nom]etichi,Is something keeping other companies for seeking their own collaboration?You are worrying about sonething that you don't even know to exist. I have no problem with any company taking collaboration with the NSA for security pointers. It is not about trust... it is about not wasting my time worrying about something you don't even know exists. There is not even a hint of fact that it exists. Plenty of real stuff to worry about in the real world.[/citation]
Of course there's no hint of fact about it. Why would the NSA, if for argument's sake they were creating a backdoor, let everyone know about it? With their expertise I'd expect them to be able to cover their tracks. I suppose atoms didn't exist until we found them either?
 
I seriously doubt MS would be able to build a backdoor into every system that a common security scanner [such as Eset] would blantently ignore. If anything when someone tried to access this back door 3rd party firewalls would simply cut it off.

The only people who need to worry are the people involved if anything proves to be legit. Besides, why would a few hundred thousand developers allow some douchebag from the government to step in and write in some code? they wouldn't! There is no "Rogue" agent or "rogue" developers injecting code into Windows 7. People act like there is an evil "big brother" and they forget people are behind microsoft.

And now we see the NSA is bricking Xbox's believed to be assotiated with terror activities after the release of MW2.
 
[citation][nom]HundredIslandsBoy[/nom]Stop the propoganda amd execise your right to demand accountability from your government. Stop being a sheep. Your elected leaders will only do as much as you allow them to do. You don;t think NSA would love to read everyone's email?[/citation]

I am hardly sheep. I work very hard in my community and through PACs to change real issues already out there. There are plenty of real and known things out there to work on without inventing new ones. It is propaganda when you push an argument with no support, detail or facts. If you think there is something to this, find facts and then go from there. Otherwise your argument is entirely without support and posting rants on a public forum do achieve nothing.

 
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]
Of course there's no hint of fact about it. Why would the NSA, if for argument's sake they were creating a backdoor, let everyone know about it? With their expertise I'd expect them to be able to cover their tracks. I suppose atoms didn't exist until we found them either?[/citation]

So... you agree that if they were putting a backdoor into the product they would not issue a press release about it? Oh wait... they did issue a press release! Way to keep it under wraps and sinister. LOL!
 
[citation][nom]HundredIslandsBoy[/nom]Stop the propoganda amd execise your right to demand accountability from your government. Stop being a sheep. Your elected leaders will only do as much as you allow them to do. You don;t think NSA would love to read everyone's email?[/citation]
[citation][nom]HundredIslandsBoy[/nom]Stop the propoganda amd execise your right to demand accountability from your government. Stop being a sheep. Your elected leaders will only do as much as you allow them to do. You don;t think NSA would love to read everyone's email?[/citation]

And on a side note, I'm sure they would love to read your emails as I am certain the are riveting! LOL!

 


I agree with your points but you and I both know you can't talk about the NSA and trolling for details about the NSA is a no no. Inventing? Thanks but I'm not taking credit or letting you give me credit for inventing the NSA. I didn't feel I was ranting. I thought I was trying to do something positive and get my fellow citizens to give due diligence, become more engaged in civics and how their tax dollars are spent.
 
This is retarded. Everyone said the same thing about Windows Vista having that back door, and Windows XP before that. And Microsoft said the same no then as well. Why? Because if they did make a back door, someone would hack it and it would become a vulnerability. Don't believe that? Look how secure COFEE was...
 
[citation][nom]HundredIslandsBoy[/nom]I agree with your points but you and I both know you can't talk about the NSA and trolling for details about the NSA is a no no. Inventing? Thanks but I'm not taking credit or letting you give me credit for inventing the NSA. I didn't feel I was ranting. I thought I was trying to do something positive and get my fellow citizens to give due diligence, become more engaged in civics and how their tax dollars are spent.[/citation]

Inventing new phantom issues... the agency already existed. I can certainly give you credit for perpetuating fallacy. The topic here, until someone can substantiate it, is pure speculation without substance. To argue its existence without any verifiable support is simply an exercise in paranoia which does nothing constructive.
 


Thanks again. Regarding Microsoft's denial of an NSA backdoor, I appreciate your point of wanting empirical data, tons of tons of it, or terabytes of code until you can be convinced but until then treat it all as fallacy. Nothing wrong with that approach.

Just because some people are paranoid does not mean that the Gov't is not monitoring, following them around.
 
[citation][nom]HundredIslandsBoy[/nom]Thanks again. Regarding Microsoft's denial of an NSA backdoor, I appreciate your point of wanting empirical data, tons of tons of it, or terabytes of code until you can be convinced but until then treat it all as fallacy. Nothing wrong with that approach.Just because some people are paranoid does not mean that the Gov't is not monitoring, following them around.[/citation]

I would settle for a tiny shred of verifiable evidence. Just one tiny shred.
 
Why have a hearing in Washington if it's a routine business decision? You think it was to make sure there were no extra lines of code or to make sure "there were"?

http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/hearing.cfm?id=4169


For the sake of conversation, we'll say you run the NSA. Your mission is to find the best hackers in the world and maybe get some pardons from the ones in jail and now they work for you. You trust people who have been hacking, making backdoors their whole lives, to build an OS and they'll contain their hacking addiction and not build backdoors? Lol.


http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/hearing.cfm?id=4169
 
[citation][nom]HundredIslandsBoy[/nom]Why have a hearing in Washington if it's a routine business decision? You think it was to make sure there were no extra lines of code or to make sure "there were"?http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearin [...] fm?id=4169For the sake of conversation, we'll say you run the NSA. Your mission is to find the best hackers in the world and maybe get some pardons from the ones in jail and now they work for you. You trust people who have been hacking, making backdoors their whole lives, to build an OS and they'll contain their hacking addiction and not build backdoors? Lol. http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearin [...] fm?id=4169[/citation]

I heard researchers discussing cold fusion. That must be true as well except that they were making fun of the original researchers. Hardly convincing. I checked your link. It is similiar to discussions happening in just about every large corporation and government in the world. Security is a big deal these days. Go figure.

Again. All you need to convince me is a tiny shred of actual evidence. Not inuendo. Not inferred. How hard it it to find a port or process that is listening for something unexpected in a base new installation of the OS?

I would probably do what they are currently doing... analyzing internet traffic. You don't need to know what is in the traffic. You become a person of interest when you visit a site of interest. Much more efficient than scanning your porn spam and searching your hard drive. You could narrow down the field very quickly by just monitoring where packets go and then investigate from there. Can you see the difference in the resources required for the two approaches? One would require tremendous computing power to a point where I'm not even sure it is feasible. The other could be handled easily by monitoring specific network backbones.
 


Dude, I don't "hear" anyone here disputing your arguments. I think it's more a "tone" or the feeling by posters that there is something more sinister than there is benevolence in this collaboration. And since you nor I can prove a tone or a feeling, that makes us both right, I guess. You're asking for evidence that even if anyone had it, they wouldn't put it here but probably would offer it to the highest bidder and would likely be an insider. Listen, you sound like you're very knowledgable about these things but you know when human nature, power, and a government unchecked by its people start mixing, it doesn't always turn out good. I like Microsoft and the NSA and respect the goods and services they provide. I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories. I just want full transparency.
 
[citation][nom]djackson_dba[/nom]So... you agree that if they were putting a backdoor into the product they would not issue a press release about it? Oh wait... they did issue a press release! Way to keep it under wraps and sinister. LOL![/citation]
We must be reading different press releases. Mind showing me where the NSA or MS admitted to creating a backdoor?
 
Why does everyone call "the NSA" "NSA". The FBI is "the FBI", the CIA is "the CIA", etc. Is the NSA a person? Because saying simply "NSA has...." is grammatically incorrect. So why are we personifying this evil thing?
 
They can denie it all they want, but its common knowledge that the NSA has helped MS in developing software built into Win 7 to work with Government Software. MS will say it was for securing there OS. That's like asking a master lock picker to help secure there house. And in this case the lock picker is the NSA who are in the business of breaking in and cracking. So I would bet money that yes in fact the NSA has a backdoor for Win 7. And the NSA has worked with Symantec in the same way, you know the guy that make anti virus apps and the guys who recently bought PGP, so don't think when you whole disk encrypt with Symantec your safe from Feds.
 
anyone that thinks this would not affect them is retarded. they will search everything you TYPE, the pages you VISIT.... gee you clicked on a news story thats anti govt? YOUR ON THE LIST SUCKER HANG TIGHT THE FEMA TRAINS ON ITS WAY!
 
NSA doesn't need a backdoor. That's what Remote Desktop Connections are used for. If you look it's constantly running in the background without you even knowing it.
 
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