News Microsoft Eyes AMD Zen 6, RDNA 5 for Next-Gen ‘Cloud Hybrid’ Xbox Console

[Admin]

Microsoft wants to put more of the Xbox into the cloud for the next generation.

Microsoft Eyes AMD Zen 6, RDNA 5 for Next-Gen ‘Cloud Hybrid’ Xbox Console : Read more

 

[Giroro]

"enable new levels of performance beyond the capabilities of the client hardware alone."

It reminds me of when Xbox tried their cloud physics experiment in Crackdown 3... It didn't work and the idea was rejected near universally by devs and gamers.
But maybe trying the exact same thing close to a decade after everybody realized "the cloud" sucks will work for them this time, for some reason.

While they're at it, they might as well make a "cloud connected" controller and start copying the ultra-successful Google Stadia and Amazon Luna. Microsoft won't want to miss out on that innovative and popular money-train, which gamers still love.

 

[hotaru251]

would be really weird for them to go ARM given their large "pc or console" mentality.

would be better performance for console probably, but a nightmare for devs to make a game for arm and x86 (and even more given devs seem to not be optimizing games so well lately)


Cloud gaming is good goal, but until world is wired for it (i.e. fiber is common) its a pipedream.

 

[NeoMorpheus]

would be really weird for them to go ARM given their large "pc or console" mentality.

would be better performance for console probably, but a nightmare for devs to make a game for arm and x86 (and even more given devs seem to not be optimizing games so well lately)


Cloud gaming is good goal, but until world is wired for it (i.e. fiber is common) its a pipedream.

Indeed!

Unless they have one hell of a translation layer, it would be really hard to pull, especially after all the work done to bring all of those OG Xbox and 360 games to the Series.

 

[ezst036]

Cloud gaming is good goal.......

For the corporation maybe. At some point they will be shutting down their server. Then what? All those games you paid for, buh bye.

GTA Offline is one example.(I suspect there are way better examples) I think the servers have gone online and offline various times, but ultimately GTA Online is a dead man walking. It will be permanent as of some date when Rockstar decides.

Why GTA Online Doesn't Work For You Anymore

GTA Online has been shut down for old platforms.

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Cloud gaming is a great way to force people to upgrade at the corporation's behest.

 

[OneMoreUser]

This "leak" seems more like marketing from Microsoft, it is them desperately trying to stop the XBOX platform from being forgotten. Same reason they are buying all the game studios, only way they can ensure games to their platform.

 

[bigdragon]

Removal of the blu-ray drive is a mistake. I know I use the blu-ray drive on my PS5 just as often for 4k movies as playing games. Relatively few gamers may use that feature, but I don't think cutting off that market is smart. This is the kind of metrics-driven decision making that caused Microsoft to remove the start menu with Windows 8 -- a huge blunder for them!

Switching exclusively to cloud is going to cut off a lot of gamers. There's been plenty of times where I've gotten annoyed at some 30-minute (on fiber internet!), multi-gigabyte game update that prevented me from playing when I was wanting to. I'm sure the experience is worse for people on cable or other forms of internet.

 

[TerryLaze]

would be really weird for them to go ARM given their large "pc or console" mentality.

But after the huge supply issues that they had with AMD it would be extremely weird for them to not at least consider alternatives that are easier to source.

Also for the hybrid one they would need a lot less compute, all the games could still run on x86 on the servers and a arm device would just stream them.

Removal of the blu-ray drive is a mistake. I know I use the blu-ray drive on my PS5 just as often for 4k movies as playing games. Relatively few gamers may use that feature, but I don't think cutting off that market is smart. This is the kind of metrics-driven decision making that caused Microsoft to remove the start menu with Windows 8 -- a huge blunder for them!

They didn't remove the start button on windows 8, they just put it behind an icon/tile and presto chango veteran PC users got turned into 8 year olds that sit in front of a PC for the first time not being able to find anything.

If the removal of the drive is the same as the start from win 8 it would be great because it would still be there.

Switching exclusively to cloud is going to cut off a lot of gamers. There's been plenty of times where I've gotten annoyed at some 30-minute (on fiber internet!), multi-gigabyte game update that prevented me from playing when I was wanting to. I'm sure the experience is worse for people on cable or other forms of internet.

Because games you get on physical media never get updated?
The genie is out of the bottle, there is no stopping the physical less future.
Games will also have online more and more, it's just something people expect now from games, single player games will be considered retro.

 

[umeng2002_2]

Not this hybrid cloud junk again... Why yes, I DO want random 100 ms frame-time spikes while some server somewhere has an issue rendering my grenade explosion particle physics. 🤮

 

[Order 66]

Not this hybrid cloud junk again... Why yes, I DO want random 100 ms frame-time spikes while some server somewhere has an issue rendering my grenade explosion particle physics. 🤮

I used to have an old school laptop that could not game beyond roblox (20 fps) and Minecraft (60 fps with optifine) so I tried GeForce now, my experience was awful with my 25mbps internet (live in rural area and not many internet options, if I had fiber where I live I would take it in a heartbeat) there were so many compression artifacts and random input lag spikes due to high ping and just overall poor performance that led me to finally just bite the bullet and buy a proper gaming PC. Cloud gaming is just not ready (especially for people in rural areas) with today's average internet speeds.

 

[colossusrage]

Can't believe they are still on the cloud gaming train. I feel like Nvidia and Microsoft are both desperately trying to make this happen. The end goal being subscriptions that don't end.

 

[hotaru251]

the huge supply issues that they had with AMD

i mean wasnt that mainly due to covid which crippled all tech supply?

Games will also have online more and more, it's just something people expect now from games, single player games will be considered retro.

devs have been saying "nobody cares about single player games" and then get proven time and time again...they do.

Many people still prefer physical stuff...i mean look at vinyl for proof.

People like to OWN their product & not be at the mercy of a digital store being shut down.

 

[tamalero]

"enable new levels of performance beyond the capabilities of the client hardware alone."

It reminds me of when Xbox tried their cloud physics experiment in Crackdown 3... It didn't work and the idea was rejected near universally by devs and gamers.
But maybe trying the exact same thing close to a decade after everybody realized "the cloud" sucks will work for them this time, for some reason.

While they're at it, they might as well make a "cloud connected" controller and start copying the ultra-successful Google Stadia and Amazon Luna. Microsoft won't want to miss out on that innovative and popular money-train, which gamers still love.

Theres 2 obvious reasons for them to push this BS again and again..
1) they are sick of having to subsidize consoles, better just sell cheap brainless consoles and just dynamically scale cloud servers.
2) user control to mine details/block piracy and restrict what you can do with your console. aka sell you subscription levels of "pay to unlock" models.

 

[tamalero]

But after the huge supply issues that they had with AMD it would

hu...
Considering that it affected one of the largest producers.. aka TSCM and not AMD itself.. I find your comment hilarious.
Take note that Intel also had huge problems with their processes too XD

 

[TerryLaze]

i mean wasnt that mainly due to covid which crippled all tech supply?

hu...
Considering that it affected one of the largest producers.. aka TSCM and not AMD itself.. I find your comment hilarious.
Take note that Intel also had huge problems with their processes too XD

They do use AMD CPUs in their consoles and not TSMC CPUs...
It doesn't matter that it was caused by covid, what matters is that it happened and if they had a CPU that was less protected or even free to be made by anyone then they would have much less problems sourcing it even under the same covid conditions.

devs have been saying "nobody cares about single player games" and then get proven time and time again...they do.

That's a different thing from what I said, even if people want a single player main story, they still expect there to be multiplayer in games

Many people still prefer physical stuff...i mean look at vinyl for proof.

People like to OWN their product & not be at the mercy of a digital store being shut down.

Look at what exactly?! You have to provide numbers that I can look at, what is the percentage of money vinyl does compared to gaming?! Is it even 1% ?
Sure, I like owning physical stuff myself, that doesn't change anything though.

 

[hotaru251]

It doesn't matter that it was caused by covid, what matters is that it happened and if they had a CPU that was less protected or even free to be made by anyone then they would have much less problems sourcing it even under the same covid conditions.

because you can just go to a new palce and get an order asap right?
because they arent already full up with contracts and you'd have wait for a new contract to get started...

they still expect there to be multiplayer in games

not really.
Zelda for example is a generally entirely offline single player game that is always a success.

you see games like binding of issac that are offline.

ppl don't always want game to have online option. (some ppl just want to enjoy a game at their own pace alone)

 

[TerryLaze]

because you can just go to a new palce and get an order asap right?
because they arent already full up with contracts and you'd have wait for a new contract to get started...

You would have multiple sources to begin with so hopes would be high for at least some of them to be able to keep making chips.

not really.
Zelda for example is a generally entirely offline single player game that is always a success.

you see games like binding of issac that are offline.

ppl don't always want game to have online option. (some ppl just want to enjoy a game at their own pace alone)

I didn't say or even imply always, I said more and more and that does happen already.

 

[tamalero]

They do use AMD CPUs in their consoles and not TSMC CPUs...
It doesn't matter that it was caused by covid, what matters is that it happened and if they had a CPU that was less protected or even free to be made by anyone then they would have much less problems sourcing it even under the same covid conditions.

That's a different thing from what I said, even if people want a single player main story, they still expect there to be multiplayer in games

Look at what exactly?! You have to provide numbers that I can look at, what is the percentage of money vinyl does compared to gaming?! Is it even 1% ?
Sure, I like owning physical stuff myself, that doesn't change anything though.

Your comment is even more funny now.
Specially how many were also affected by chip shortages. Not only AMD.
So even if they had tried to go elsewhere but intel.. they would have been affected by shortages too.

Also wtf.. less protected what?

Please share who else can produce chips with tech on part of TSCM.
The answer is NONE.
Intel is barely getting there and Samsung was a bust in some of their older nodes that Nvidia instantly ditched them after the 3000 series debacle.

And as hotaru said. You can't just change orders on the whim.
TSCM had almost 5 years of commitments already booked if I remember correctly.

not really.
Zelda for example is a generally entirely offline single player game that is always a success.

you see games like binding of issac that are offline.

ppl don't always want game to have online option. (some ppl just want to enjoy a game at their own pace alone)

This!!

The only ones who want an always online option as been not the developers themselves, but the investors/companies. Who want control, piracy protection and trying to sneak things to get more money from you via microtransactions.

You would have multiple sources to begin with so hopes would be high for at least some of them to be able to keep making chips.

Thats's a dream and only that.
At least until TSCM US can prove they can produce the same quality as TSCM Taiwan.

Also...You can't compare chip building capabilities from one producer to another.
AMD literally has said that their chips are designed based on TSCM nodes.
Changing to another tech is not a "lol just copy and paste".

 

[TerryLaze]

Your comment is even more funny now.
Specially how many were also affected by chip shortages. Not only AMD.
So even if they had tried to go elsewhere but intel.. they would have been affected by shortages too.

Also wtf.. less protected what?

Please share who else can produce chips with tech on part of TSCM.
The answer is NONE.

Did you even understand what we are talking about?!
MS is considering ARM, anybody can produce ARM CPUs to the same specifications, they don't use any super complex arch or node that only TSMC can produce, and ARM is free, if you pay their license then you are free to make them anywhere you want.