Microsoft May Have to Let Users Choose Browser

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I'd love to have a choice once I installed a new version of Windows on my gaming rig. If I could cut out half of the insecure processes that IE uses I'd be a happy camper. It would save me a lot of time locking the system down.

Granted I'd love to be able to cut Safari out of my Mac as well and just use Firefox.
 
I dont have a problem with Microsoft bundling IE with its operating system. For crying out load, its Microsofts own product. I see it as you are getting IE already bundled so you dont have to look for a brower after the OS is installed. BTW, you can always install another browser. The EU needs to pull their heads out of their rumps.
 
I like using Windows. I don't like using Internet Explorer. So I install Firefox or something of the sort and it works with/better than IE. What's the big deal? That's like asking Microsoft not to use 2 button mouse clicking because manufacturers have to now make two button mice. That's the whole point of a PC. If you don't like it, change it. Or go to another OS.
 
No, I like my default browser. Lots of add-ons from Mozilla, and has support from the Linux community. Sometimes I use Chrome if I'm paranoid about malware, or if I don't need my add-ons for a specific session, since they somewhat slow down browsing.
 
Including other browsers in Windows OS alongside Internet Explorer is stupid because the following reasons:
- If other browsers have a price, that added cost will add to Windows OS price increasing it and at the same time decreasing the Windows OS market share because of the higher price resulted
- Who will pay for the manufacturing costs of the Windows OS bundled with other browsers ? Microsoft ? what about the companies that produce the bundled browsers what amount of the manufacturing costs will they pay ?
- I don't wanna pay for Windows more because of the added price of bundling other browsers in it
 
Just use IE to download Firefox/safari/chrome if you want. Microsoft is just giving purchasers a means to view web pages. If they didn't then how could u even get another browser on your computer?....that doesn't mean u have to use it if u don't want to....Except that, I had to use IE to download Firefox...I haven't used it since. It's really that simple. I think the EU is up in arms over nothing
 
i personally don't care about which browser i use...as long as it works, i'm fine with it...that said, i downloaded firefox to see what all the hype was about. i'm used to ie already so it probably never had a fair chance with me to begin with. i will say this tho, ie starts up much much faster than firefox when i click to start the app. it's enough of a difference for me to get annoyed with firefox. as far as the add-ons, what add-ons are you people using that make the web a much better experience with firefox that isn't available with ie?
 
oops, by the way, that last question was not a rhetorical question. i really would like to know what add-ons (or features for that matter) make the firefox experience that much better so that i may possibly give firefox another shot.
 
@kewl munky I agree with you 100%


The EU should also complain to apple for including safari with OS X. Besides EVERYONE *well almost everyone* knows IE sucks.

 
You guys does realize that the EU courts can't start cases on their own, right?

The reason EU has an interest in Internet Explorer is that they received a complaint that Microsoft, by including IE as a integral part of Windows, kept other browsers from having a fair chance to compete for the costumers. As far as I recall the complaint was with Microsoft not doing anything to let people know of alternatives and for keeping the Windows source code closed so only IE could take advantage of the possible optimisations such knowledge could give.

Original complaint was made by Opera, but soon followed by Google.

A funny note is that when Google joined the complaint Microsoft fired back claiming that Google were the true monopoly of browsers. This might sound strange, but considering that most browsers get money for their costumers use of Google services(viewing Google adds) they might have a point, and a case if they decide to launch it.
 
You buy the damned OS, so expect software to come with the OS.

If I get linux, I expect open source software, if I get a mac, I expect apple software, if I buy windows... what do I expect?

IE is just fine. It works.
It lets you browse the net, check your email, run flash/java etc.
We choose FF/Chrome/(enter random OS here) because we want to, not because we need to (in all but rare cases).

Isn't there better things to do in Europe? Like... ending underage trafficking?

Microsoft has more power than the EU through all I'm concerned, so I think they need to flex their muscles already because the EU is letting the power get to their heads.
I understand tht in the immediate, it would be a major loss of revenue, but in the future, it will more than pay off for the company.

Fuck off.
 
[citation][nom]puddleglum[/nom]By using a download tool like, wget, ftp, scp, etc. I don't know why you think you need a web browser to do this. The same tool that gives folks the choice to download can use those protocols to get it.[/citation]

Nope! No included tool! They should give me my choice of tool. I'm using the http client that I wrote, which, I put on a web site, so that whenever I need, I can easily get it from!

What a crap.
Don't want IE, don't use. Period. I'm writing this from Firefox, by the way. It doesn't bother me its presence.

What if a lazy programmer who wrote your favourite application used IE components, somehow? It's so much common that, if MS will rip IE off from OS, I'm sure at least 30-40% of apps out there would cease running. Then what?

I'm for freedom of choice, but, including IE in Windows doesn't breach that freedom. IE became popular because Netscape refused to hold on standards and failed to deliver a stable product, while IE somehow buggy, didn't crash on every other website I wanted to show. IE4 maybe didn't show the site with proper formatting, but at least it didn't crash! (I was a loyal Netscape Navigator user until version 4.3)

So, bottom line, what to do? should MS put all rival browsers as of the time DVD images created? Or should MS totally drop IE? Then what? Come on! Set up a PC and delete the IEXPLORER.EXE (or rename it) and try to use it.
 
Microsoft should just come out with a EU edition, throw in all the browser and charge it 50euro more just for euro countries.
 
It's not exactly a big deal to me actually as I have virtually all the browsers in the market installed in my computer. So it won't affect me that much as I just use whichever browser I feel like using only.
 
wow....I didnt realize the EU actually had significant power (as a governing body, not as the individual countries).

So.......all these are FREE browser options right? Meaning no one pays for them? Meaning who gives a shit who has a bigger market share because in the end they all make the same money?

The EU is just bored and needs someone to exert themselves on. Put these efforts into fighting terrorism, no one will argue over money going to that and the people will actually be impressed by their government.
 
I loathe IE and dislike the fact many of the internet and browsing history options in Windows are tied to IE. Give users a choice. For example, the address bar history is linked to and can only be cleared within IE.
 
Here's what needs to happen: a simple option to uninstall IE. Go ahead and pre-package IE with Windows, you are Microsoft for God's sakes, I think you are allowed to package your own browser with your operating system but offering no uninstall option is the killer. This allows people who are not internet savvy just to use what is familiar: IE, and let the power uses download FireFox or Chrome and go from there. I know if I had the chance I would uninstall IE from Vista because FireFox is all I need.
 
I had preferred the world to use IE8. That would keep FF users pretty safe from hackers harm. Unfortunately with this FF is no longer safe.
Perhaps time to seek another browser like Opera.
 
[citation][nom]tayb[/nom]LOL. Linux is making progress but I hope you don't honestly believe what you just typed.[/citation]
just ask the French government and police.
sorry to brake your bubble, windows is not the only os out there...
infact, there are some agencies and businesses which is benefit more in the long run by running linux than by running windows...
 
Yes Microsoft is not really fair in making users go online with Internet Explorer first - My new netbook had the same issues and IE sucks on the netbook, slow and hangs a lot - I had to donwload an alternate browser to have internet working finally - Wat a inconvinence...

Apple on the other hand ships with Opera by default too... Many users dont know but it ships - My new Macbook came with opera default in it - You just have to search for it in Spot Light...
 
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