Microsoft Patents GPU-accelerated Window Manager

[leper84]

[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]ROFL, problem is that your Linux doesn't support any GPUs properly...[/citation]

Nuh-uh, ubuntu and fedora support my gpu perfectly, everything works great... well... until you want sound out over HDMI...

nevermind....

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

ATI - Read my post above. And if that doesn't solve your problem then stop being lazy and go to AMD's website and download and install the latest Catalyst.

nVidia - The Nvidia is the GPU I'm more familiar with. I've used Geforce since it was first released and I never encountered a problem. Even know that I'm using a current Geforce I don't have any issue with the loading screen.

Intel - I'm aware that you need the kernel 2.6.37 or higher for Sandy bridge GPU to work. Intel was the one that made this decision.

Windows 7 out of the box doesn't work with Sandy Bridge or almost any other recent GPU. You need to download the driver through the hardware manufacturer website or update the system (unless you have a VIA/SiS/ATI GPU).

AMD/nVidia - that's the problem for Linux. Issues can't be reproduced often. Read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742944

Intel made that decision? Yeah, sure, whatever. Keep talking 😀

Yes, you often need a driver (however, I've seen some GPUs work out of the box with full resolution, which is already good), but I already said that installing driver >>>>> updating the kernel, besides, not everyone wants to mess around with the kernel just to get the graphics running. That's why Linux was, is and will remain an OS which isn't suitable for a home user.

 

[cronik93]

They might as well patent my life already...

 

[DjEaZy]

[citation][nom]Hoodsey[/nom]Linux has done this for years.[/citation]
... and apple sinse OS X...

 

[kristoffe]

since not sinse. troll.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]Vladislaus[/nom]What? Almost all Nvidia, ATI and Intel GPUs have linux support. VIA and SIS also have a few GPUs that have linux support. Linux may have issues with hardware support, but the GPU isn't one of them.[/citation]
They don't mean Linux using a GPU for graphics, they mean using a GPU for task acceleration, totally different and Linux has awful support.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]DjEaZy[/nom]... and apple sinse OS X...[/citation]
Apple has been using GPU accelleration on its window manager for years?
...
Best double check that, OSX has had a window manager, but has it been accellerated by the GPU?
...
I doubt that, please provide links.

 

[ceteras]

Yeah, smart move, good news for stock holders,
But I'm not impressed at all.
I will not give any benefit to ms/apple in the future from the simple fact that I have to use a computer.
That will not translate in a sell for them. I use Linux at work with great efficiency, I will use it at home too.

 

[robisinho]

wait what? I thought windows 7 wm was GPU accelerated. that that was what the 3d window switcher was all about

 

[Vladislaus]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]They don't mean Linux using a GPU for graphics, they mean using a GPU for task acceleration, totally different and Linux has awful support.[/citation]
Luke CUDA or OpenCL, both which are properly supported on linux?

 

[Vladislaus]

[citation][nom]amk-aka-Phantom[/nom]AMD/nVidia - that's the problem for Linux. Issues can't be reproduced often. Read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742944Intel made that decision? Yeah, sure, whatever. Keep talking Yes, you often need a driver (however, I've seen some GPUs work out of the box with full resolution, which is already good), but I already said that installing driver >>>>> updating the kernel, besides, not everyone wants to mess around with the kernel just to get the graphics running. That's why Linux was, is and will remain an OS which isn't suitable for a home user.[/citation]
I don't know if you noticed it bu not everyine in the link you posted is experiencing this problem, only a handful.

Does all windows driver work perfectly? No. I remember when I bought my 9800GX2 and I had tons of issues with the drivers available. Tons of system crashes and the tons of warnings of nvlddmkm stopped responding. nVidia also took his sweet time to fix it. Perhaps Microsoft should have been the one to blame because they didn't fixed the issue. /sarcasm

Yes Intel made the decision not to support older kernels. They only supported the latest kernel that was available at the time the driver was launched.

No Linux in case there's a hardware compatibility issue is not for the general home user. You need to have a good computer knowledge.

 

[wiyosaya]

[citation][nom]Hoodsey[/nom]Linux has done this for years.[/citation]
If that is true, then this patent will not stand long.

However, I expect that M$ or crApple or if not them, some other IP company, will patent going to the bathroom at any time now.

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

I don't know if you noticed it bu not everyine in the link you posted is experiencing this problem, only a handful.

Does all windows driver work perfectly? No. I remember when I bought my 9800GX2 and I had tons of issues with the drivers available. Tons of system crashes and the tons of warnings of nvlddmkm stopped responding. nVidia also took his sweet time to fix it. Perhaps Microsoft should have been the one to blame because they didn't fixed the issue. /sarcasm

Yes Intel made the decision not to support older kernels. They only supported the latest kernel that was available at the time the driver was launched.

No Linux in case there's a hardware compatibility issue is not for the general home user. You need to have a good computer knowledge.

Amount of messed up Linux drivers is 10x more than that for Windows. And again, on Windows changing the drivers is damn simple, while on Linux... :lol:

 

[CaedenV]

I thought that Windows was already GPU accelerated for drawing windows. That was one of the big changes between Vista and 7, was the ability to offload all the pretty clear Aero stuff to the GPU instead of bothering the CPU about it all the time. Perhaps this is just a different way to have GPU acceleration?

 

[fazers_on_stun]

[citation][nom]tofu2go[/nom]Wait a minute... GPU accelerated window manager? 2003 patent? Mac OS X has had Quartz Extreme, which added GPU acceleration to the window manager, since version 10.2 released in 2002.[/citation]

Actually you have to look at the earliest date the patent (or its parent in this case) was filed, not patented. Since the article did not mention the patent number, we can't look it up at the patent office's website, but I would bet it was filed at least two years before its patent date, and probably more.

 

[djtrailmixxx]

Windows Accelerators have been around since '91.... MS did it first.

 

[soundthinking]

[citation][nom]amk-aka-Phantom[/nom]ROFL, problem is that your Linux doesn't support any GPUs properly...[/citation]

Right, that's why Linux supports my aging Dell ATI Radeon X1350 Pro (a non-standard model, by the way) better than Windows Vista or Windows 7 could ever support it. I'd wager that the Linux open source drivers for ATI/AMD cards beat the proprietary ones in terms of stability (performance, now that's debatable, obviously). As for NVIDIA, you're better off just using the Linux versions of the NVIDIA drivers and utilities (nouveau obviously isn't as stable as it needs to be). I can see that you haven't used Linux very recently, what version are you still hanging on to, Ubuntu 8.10 or Fedora 10?

 

[getreal]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Apple has been using GPU accelleration on its window manager for years?...Best double check that, OSX has had a window manager, but has it been accellerated by the GPU?...I doubt that, please provide links.[/citation]

For one of the biggest trolls against Apple on this site, it is pretty sad for you to have such strong opinions against a product you clearly have such little knowledge of. How embarrassing!

Here's your link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_Compositor

I mean wow, you troll so much and know so little! You owned yourself so hard here and have destroyed your credibility in anti-Apple discussions. Thanks for that!

Also coming in Windows 8 that Mac OS X has had since at least 2003 - the ability to mount disc images natively!

 

[soundthinking]

[citation][nom]amk-aka-Phantom[/nom]Amount of messed up Linux drivers is 10x more than that for Windows. And again, on Windows changing the drivers is damn simple, while on Linux...[/citation]
...all you have to do is remove the old ones, install the new ones, and reboot. Not rocket science. In fact, AMD and NVIDIA maintain packages for certain distros that can be installed from a simple program (Ubuntu's Jockey is an example). For everyone else there's a .run terminal script that asks a few questions, makes a few packages, then all you have to do install those packages, remove the open-source driver, restart, and as with any driver update with any OS cross your fingers until you see the login screen. Not much more involved than Windows. I just think maybe you had tried a proprietary driver 5 or 6 years ago, back when you still had to mess around with the xorg.conf file.

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

Right, that's why Linux supports my aging Dell ATI Radeon X1350 Pro (a non-standard model, by the way) better than Windows Vista or Windows 7 could ever support it. I'd wager that the Linux open source drivers for ATI/AMD cards beat the proprietary ones in terms of stability (performance, now that's debatable, obviously). As for NVIDIA, you're better off just using the Linux versions of the NVIDIA drivers and utilities (nouveau obviously isn't as stable as it needs to be). I can see that you haven't used Linux very recently, what version are you still hanging on to, Ubuntu 8.10 or Fedora 10?

Fail, dude. I use Linux every day - Ubuntu 10.04, 10.10, 11.04, Debian Squeeze and a bit of Mint (looks best to me, btw).

And the version where I had that Plymouth bug was 11.04. As I said, neither open source nor proprietary nVidia drivers helped. As for AMD, I already mentioned the E-350 fail.

Linux old hardware support is rather good, but new cards?.. Not a chance!

As for I'm better off using... with my hardware, definitely Win7 x64

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

For one of the biggest trolls against Apple on this site, it is pretty sad for you to have such strong opinions against a product you clearly have such little knowledge of. How embarrassing!

Here's your link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_Compositor

I mean wow, you troll so much and know so little! You owned yourself so hard here and have destroyed your credibility in anti-Apple discussions. Thanks for that!

Also coming in Windows 8 that Mac OS X has had since at least 2003 - the ability to mount disc images natively!

... and Linux had that since like ever 😀 Besides, Windows had it as a third-party application and MS simply didn't care. I wouldn't, if I were them 😀 How many users even know what an image is? 😉

As for back_by_demand, re-read the post: he was doubting, not denying.

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

...all you have to do is remove the old ones, install the new ones, and reboot. Not rocket science. In fact, AMD and NVIDIA maintain packages for certain distros that can be installed from a simple program (Ubuntu's Jockey is an example). For everyone else there's a .run terminal script that asks a few questions, makes a few packages, then all you have to do install those packages, remove the open-source driver, restart, and as with any driver update with any OS cross your fingers until you see the login screen. Not much more involved than Windows. I just think maybe you had tried a proprietary driver 5 or 6 years ago, back when you still had to mess around with the xorg.conf file.

What if there are NO new ones? Ever thought of that?

😀

 

[TEAMSWITCHER]

Microsoft is now a patent Troll. They only get patents to beat up on smaller companies. They would never try to take on a Major company like Apple or Google because of their cross license agreements. That and they know Apple and Google have more than enough money to pay for lawyers.

 

[BlackHawk91]

I'm gonna patent the "patent ideas" idea.

 

[gogogadgetliver]

[citation][nom]Hoodsey[/nom]Linux has done this for years.[/citation]
So has Microsoft.

Linux has Compiz in 2006, the same year Vista released with it (so obviously in work since before that). Did you mean something else?