Microsoft Shows it is Winning ''By the Numbers''

[tokenz]

I hope all those wall street people who said that apple was going to over take Microsoft enjoy eating crow.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]roguekitsune[/nom]errr because it was free[/citation]
Open Office is free too and as easy to use and totally compatible
Have they had such a fast uptake when 3.2 was in beta?

 

[warezme]

MS and Intel (especially Intel) marketing generally blows big hairy chunks. It the public perception that is wack. The numbers are more telling.

 

[Kelavarus]

[citation][nom]Jerky_san[/nom]I'm suprised by the hotmail thing but its probably because they've been around so long.. I like gmail 10x more for mobile and such since I don't have to pay them and its practically an exchange form of server with live push and syncing of mail box.. [/citation]

I might get marked down for this for some strange reason, but I use Windows Live Mail/Hotmail etc..., and I can't stand Gmail. It's easily 10x slower for some reason for me to login, I don't like the interface at all, and, well, I'm not a mobile user (but I believe there's a mobile solution available). For what I need, I don't have pay to Microsoft for my Live Mail, and it suits me.

 

[razercultmember1]

[citation][nom]maestintaolius[/nom]I can't wait for this comments section to hit 8 pages once everyone starts logging on this morning.*grabs popcorn*[/citation]

😛

 

[Honis]

[citation][nom]Kelavarus[/nom]I might get marked down for this for some strange reason, but I use Windows Live Mail/Hotmail etc..., and I can't stand Gmail. It's easily 10x slower for some reason for me to login, I don't like the interface at all, and, well, I'm not a mobile user (but I believe there's a mobile solution available). For what I need, I don't have pay to Microsoft for my Live Mail, and it suits me.[/citation]

No mark down from me but a suggestion to try out. Gmail has an HTML version you can switch too. It's at the bottom of the page after you log in. It strips out all the flare and speeds up the site by quite a bit (I use it when I'm on dial-up).

Microsoft has always had the numbers on their side. What they don't have is the popularity. In my own experience, people talk about getting/wanting an iPhone but things like PCs, laptops, generic phones, etc. aren't talked about. To me this means they are losing the popularity contest (mind share) which hurts more in the long term.

 

[zmbcat]

using hotmail for ages now, didnt really need gmail for massive storage and im fine with it.

 

[Guest]

Bald baldwin, probably even bald on his balls too (if he has any balls outside of screaming around like a nut in MS puppet theaters)!

 

[Maxor127]

Wow... talk about overcompensating. Some of those numbers look fake. Less than 10% of netbooks ran Windows? BS. Or how about 360 million hotmail users? Does that include all of the spam accounts that email me each month? Just typical skewed numbers by a corporation. Microsoft seems desperate lately. Not like Apple will ever realistically take them over in the computer hardware/software front. And Linux is still years away from being a legitimate threat.

 

[mikem_90]

I have to ask, these numbers aren't listed... but what about all the Windows XP downgrades from businesses and people who don't want/can't because of old legacy software, run Windows Vista/7?

I remember this as the way MS could claim a new PC installed with WinXP was a "Vista" or "Windows 7" sale.

 

[mikem_90]

[citation][nom]Maxor127[/nom]Wow... talk about overcompensating. Some of those numbers look fake. Less than 10% of netbooks ran Windows? BS. Or how about 360 million hotmail users? Does that include all of the spam accounts that email me each month? Just typical skewed numbers by a corporation. Microsoft seems desperate lately. Not like Apple will ever realistically take them over in the computer hardware/software front. And Linux is still years away from being a legitimate threat.[/citation]

Of course raw numbers are used for publicity. always is. If a customer buys a netbook and takes the Windows off it, to place Linux on it, its still a "Windows netbook". I'm not sure those numbers show up here even if the customer calls the manufacturer to refund the unused Windows License. (you can get money back)

That said, the numbers do have weight behind them. I don't totally discount them. Its always about marketing no matter what camp you're in.

 

[thegreathuntingdolphin]

OpenOffice works nearly as well for the majority of office tasks and it's free.

Yeah it did when Microsoft Office 2003 was out. Open Office will show its age with Office 2010. Businesses will eat 2010 up because of its awesome collaboration features.

Open Office is still a good choice for people that don't want the ribbon or just want basic word processing/spreadsheet from a cost standpoint since it is free.

 

[agnickolov]

With regards to the Linux vs Vista comments - note the facts are for server share. There's no Vista in the server market - there's Windows Server 2008. It was never considered a flop - in fact it was a solid upgrade from Windows Server 2003...

Interestingly enough, there is no number for the Windows Server market share penetration. If I'm not mistaken, the predominant server OS is UNIX - neither Linux nor Windows Server. When Linux was growing, it was mostly eating market share from UNIX.

 

[dextermat]

The only problems with numbers, marketing, shareholders is that they can be easily manipulated in saying what CEO want to say.....

Government, Hydro-Quebec, HP, Dell, all does that too look good when they need to and bad if they need to 🙁

 

[war2k9]

I don't see any winmo on the list. It must be doing GREAT for M$.

 

[kelemvor4]

Hotmail was the most popular free web based email service long before MS bought it. They didn't do anything other than buy a popular service and rebrand it.

 

[SAL-e]

• 96 percent of U.S. netbooks ran Windows in 2009

We know the source of this and its bogus. It is from NPD retail market research in USA only. So base on that, I can say all those numbers have been 'massaged' to fit MS marketing self delusions. Keep doing this MS, there is no better a way to destroy a great company like MS.
What are the latest numbers for Kin sells? I heard 500! You have real problems and fudging marketing numbers will not fix them.

 

[rooseveltdon]

[citation][nom]SAL-e[/nom]We know the source of this and its bogus. It is from NPD retail market research in USA only. So base on that, I can say all those numbers have been 'massaged' to fit MS marketing self delusions. Keep doing this MS, there is no better a way to destroy a great company like MS.What are the latest numbers for Kin sells? I heard 500! You have real problems and fudging marketing numbers will not fix them.[/citation]

The vast majority of netbooks run windows..regardless, and the rest of the numbers are true...you might wanna reconsider your stance

 

[SAL-e]

[citation][nom]rooseveltdon[/nom]The vast majority of netbooks run windows..regardless, and the rest of the numbers are true...you might wanna reconsider your stance[/citation]

Ok. Let me try that:

• 8.8 million global iPhone sales in Q1 2010.
• 21.5 million Nokia smartphone sales in Q1 2010.
• 55 million total smartphone sales globally in Q1 2010.
• 439 million projected global smartphone sales in 2014.

How many Windows Mobile phones are sold in Q1 2010? No number. So if no number equals to zero. The expected sells of in 2014 would be zero also. See how I can skew the same numbers?
Or how about those numbers:

• 24 percent Linux Server market share in 2005.
• 33 percent predicted Linux Server market share for 2007 (made in 2005).
• 21.2 percent actual Linux Server market share, Q4 2009.

Three different studies with no reference. I have question: How MS defines server? Because last time I check Linux share of Internet servers was around 60%, about 90% in HPC server market and etc.

• 0 paying customers running on Windows Azure in November 2009.
• 10,000 paying customers running on Windows Azure in June 2010.
• 700,000 students, teachers and staff using Microsoft’s cloud productivity tools in Kentucky public schools, the largest cloud deployment in the U.S.

What percent of the cloud computing is this. Or better where is the Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud (Amazon EC2) numbers here? And Amazon EC2 servers are running Linux.

So yes MS first redefined the netbook category from: PC with 4GB SSD and 7" display to crappy mini-laptops. So yes they sold more Windows XP on mini-laptops, but open the market opportunity for Apple to sell 3-million iPads. See I don't have problem with Windows. When I need it I will use it, but fudging numbers only makes them look like losers and they are thinking like a losers. When you think like a loser you can't win. That is my gripe with MS at this moment. Windows Phone 7 is not available yet and Apple and Google are moving ahead with big steps. With recent changes on 'C'-level at MS I started feeling that WP7 is just vapour-ware. Just like the MS Slate computers or Courier tablet. And by the end of the year Google will release ChromeOS. If it is successful like Android MS will have very real problems on their hand once new PC users buy netbook without Windows OS and learn to compute without MS. Do you think all of them will buy next PC with Windows? There are very good chance that 50% of them will choose something else.
So, MS please write a code not a bogus marketing data/studies.

 

[randomizer]

[citation][nom]rooseveltdon[/nom]The vast majority of netbooks run windows..regardless, and the rest of the numbers are true...you might wanna reconsider your stance[/citation]
Well if we look at the first number, it may be true but it doesn't qualify what constitutes as a sale. Are these sales to end users or sales to OEMs? OEMs buy Windows licences in massive bulk, which would bolster these numbers. Technet users can get 100 licences each (IIRC) but they're paying for a subscription and not the licence itself. That said, I'm sure Win 7 is selling better than Vista if only due to the much better hype around it than Vista received. In fact, these number alone will likely boost sales because people will assume that everyone else has bought it so it must be good.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

How can an OS (I'll be relaxed with the terminology) with almost no advertising and therefore little public knowledge suddenly make "significant inroads" into the market share of the already dominant OS Windows XP? People don't just wake up one morning, throw their HDDs out and say "Eureka! I'm installing Linux!"

Problem with that Hypothesis is that even when COREL, IBM and RedHat advertised the hell out of Linux it didn't make inroads, it was still those who were going to load it anyways. I had a copy of Corel and RedHat back then, and was a big proponent of Linux, now I don't even bother, simply because it's the Anti-Apple, Apple is easy and reduces my headaches when recommending n00bz buy one and then annoy them, Linux is like me signing myself up for 50 days of questions from people who shouldn't be running an OS that need manual driver installs, etc.

The user friendly 'built on a unix/linux environment' solutions will be the ones that prevail, not linux in traditional form which is still for those willing to tweak a bit to make it work, and we're the minority, the growth market is people who weren't traditional PC users before, hence the explosion of the cheap entry-level PCs also.

I agree with cnox, if Linux couldn't make major in-roads with the bad-press and resistance that Vista was getting, it's unlikely that will change anytime soon; only after major strides in making it simple, idiot-proof and feature-rich will it be worth thinking of as a challenge to Apple, let alone Windoze. Android/Chromium are more of a challenge than Ubuntu et al.

 

[dEAne]

I love windows 7.

 

[kronos_cornelius]

I think with a lot of the media coverage going towards Apple and Google, it is good for Microsoft to remind everyone they are still number one in many areas. However, one criticism to the numbers is that many Linux users (myself included) have to pay the MS tax. So, for every Linux user, the statistician should substract one from Windows to balance that bias.

One good thing MS has going for them for decades to come is consumer loyalty, or plain momentun. Think about this, most people use Google search despite the fact that switch search engines is as simple as typing in a different URL. Now imagine how bad Windows have to get for people to get a new OS, load it on the computer, and trouble-shoot any potential conflicts, as well as port data and programs from one OS to the other.

The only big treat MS has for now, is the cloud, but we would see the effects of that in 5 to 10 years.

 

[Milleman]

Mein Kampf?

 

[back_by_demand]

We know the source of this and its bogus.

[citation][nom]SAL-e[/nom]**96 percent of U.S. netbooks ran Windows in 2009**
We know the source of this and its bogus. It is from NPD retail market research in USA only. So base on that, I can say all those numbers have been 'massaged' to fit MS marketing self delusions[/citation]
So how many netbooks do run Windows?
If you are gonna call BS on figure then you should have the balls to post your own links to disprove.
No?
Didn't think so...

The whole netbook thing is a case in poibt, the first Eee PC came out and used Linux, people gobbled up the netbook idea and they sold millions, until they realised that they hated Linux. Then the next generation of netbooks came along and...
golly gosh...
now they nearly all run Windows
Face facts, if people didn't want Microsoft products they wouldn't keep buying them. Not to mention even the free things they provide are beating competitors in all areas.

The simple truth is, right or wrong, over 90% of the world wants Microsoft.
Period.