Minecraft Creator Notch Says EA is Destroying Gaming

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EA is terrible. Definitely one of-if not the worst companies. If people would only stop buying the crap EA is spewing out then they would finally go bankrupt(which is a while overdue)!
 
[citation][nom]Koozwad[/nom]EA is terrible. Definitely one of-if not the worst companies. If people would only stop buying the crap EA is spewing out then they would finally go bankrupt(which is a while overdue).[/citation]
 
[citation][nom]darkerson[/nom]You do realize there are these things called "texture packs" that allow you to change how the game looks, if you dont like the default textures. The game is pretty damn mod friendly what with all the add-ons and everything else that is user changeable. And honestly, as tiring as it is to say, graphics do not automatically equal a good game. [/citation]
You do realize the point is that Notch is making money from other people's work, right? He is equally as bad as EA. Obviously you are unable to see the similarities in "I'm indie, so it's okay for me to release an incomplete game and allow others to mod it to completion." and "We're Bethesda and we are lazy, please community fix our game after we launch it." But I'm not so blind as to recognize that Notch made more personal profit off of Minecraft using the same tactics that Bethesda did and not a single person on that dev team will likely see in their entire lifetime the amount of money he did.

"ZOMG IM INDIE." It's like that is the only statement that needs to be said to be impenetrable armor against any criticism. Including valid criticisms.


Or, let me explain it to you more simply, and hopefully less obtuse:
Notch: Creates a game, gets everyone to buy it before release for funding purposes. Quits before making good on his promises and hands the project over.

Big game companies: Create a game but only give you half of it when you pay for it (funding the game). Then they release DLC later on that was already in the works when the game was being released.


SAME CONCEPT. HE HAS NO RIGHT TO OPEN HIS MOUTH ON THIS SUBJECT WHEN HE DOES THE SAME THING. Minecraft fan boys just want to defend Notch because they believe they can get lucky and make it like he did. Unfortunately for all of you, that will likely never happen. Sure, someone has to win the lottery eventually, but look at the odds... It isn't going to be you...
 
[citation][nom]silvermember[/nom]a good game is not exclusive to indie devs. a lot of gamers here are the perfect example of hippie gamers. I buy good games and it doesn't matter how it was made. notch comments are so full of hippie nonsense and the people supporting his idiotic statements are bigger fools.[/citation]
Congratulations for not being a retard. +1 internets to you. I wish I could offset the negative votes given to you more than just +1.
 
If you decide to buy a game based on a publisher then you are biased and as a result ignorant. You cannot decide how a game is until you play it for yourself or have heard or read a review of the game. I have enjoyed many of EAs titles including BFBC2, Tor, and BF3.

Regarding software or bugs in the games you are a fool or have never ever attempted to code if you think it is easy to catch all the bugs, there are endless amounts of conflicts and lines of code all made by different programmers at different times. Hell sometimes games change direction mid development and junk code is left in because it is cheaper then to remove it. A game as large as BF3, Cod or skyrim will have bugs, there is not a chance in hell that there will not be. Furthermore, the fixes for these things you think of as simple bugs are themselves not so simple. As finding the bug in the code is the first stage, changing it and making so not only it now works correctly, but nothing else has changed as result can become a living hell.

In regards to consoles, they are out of date, they need to have an upgrade and should have had one this year, because though you may think Microsoft or Sony can't build a console for less then $500 that is exponentially better then the current model is a fool, especially since they get significant discounts for bulk orders of parts.

 
[citation][nom]bjtardiff[/nom]If you decide to buy a game based on a publisher then you are biased and as a result ignorant. You cannot decide how a game is until you play it for yourself or have heard or read a review of the game. I have enjoyed many of EAs titles including BFBC2, Tor, and BF3. Regarding software or bugs in the games you are a fool or have never ever attempted to code if you think it is easy to catch all the bugs, there are endless amounts of conflicts and lines of code all made by different programmers at different times. Hell sometimes games change direction mid development and junk code is left in because it is cheaper then to remove it. A game as large as BF3, Cod or skyrim will have bugs, there is not a chance in hell that there will not be. Furthermore, the fixes for these things you think of as simple bugs are themselves not so simple. As finding the bug in the code is the first stage, changing it and making so not only it now works correctly, but nothing else has changed as result can become a living hell.In regards to consoles, they are out of date, they need to have an upgrade and should have had one this year, because though you may think Microsoft or Sony can't build a console for less then $500 that is exponentially better then the current model is a fool, especially since they get significant discounts for bulk orders of parts.[/citation]
gg. thanks for not being part of the notch defense force. +1 to you
 


reviews are not even valid enough to decide now. all review websites have their own bias toward one console. the only way is to try the game before you buy. if you do not want to buy the game then just rent it first. that way you are not really giving the publisher any business
 
[citation][nom]buddhabelly34[/nom]You do realize the point is that Notch is making money from other people's work, right? He is equally as bad as EA. Obviously you are unable to see the similarities in "I'm indie, so it's okay for me to release an incomplete game and allow others to mod it to completion." and "We're Bethesda and we are lazy, please community fix our game after we launch it." But I'm not so blind as to recognize that Notch made more personal profit off of Minecraft using the same tactics that Bethesda did and not a single person on that dev team will likely see in their entire lifetime the amount of money he did."ZOMG IM INDIE." It's like that is the only statement that needs to be said to be impenetrable armor against any criticism. Including valid criticisms.Or, let me explain it to you more simply, and hopefully less obtuse:Notch: Creates a game, gets everyone to buy it before release for funding purposes. Quits before making good on his promises and hands the project over.Big game companies: Create a game but only give you half of it when you pay for it (funding the game). Then they release DLC later on that was already in the works when the game was being released.SAME CONCEPT. HE HAS NO RIGHT TO OPEN HIS MOUTH ON THIS SUBJECT WHEN HE DOES THE SAME THING. Minecraft fan boys just want to defend Notch because they believe they can get lucky and make it like he did. Unfortunately for all of you, that will likely never happen. Sure, someone has to win the lottery eventually, but look at the odds... It isn't going to be you...[/citation]

Ah, so I see things differently and that makes me a fanboi. :sarcastic:

And as for indie games, I said I have a soft spot. That doesnt mean I go "ZOMG MUST BUYZ THEM ALLZ!!1!11"
If its not something Im interested in, or if I play it and think it sucks, I do the same thing I do with games from the rest of the industry. I don't buy it. :non:

As for Notch and Minecraft, if anything, he could of did what Redigit did regarding Terraria, and just move on to the next project and say its a done deal. He didnt. He at least passed it on to Jeb, who does work on it almost daily, as well as hiring the bukkit team to continue improving the multiplayer aspect of the game.
I guess you just want to ignore those little facts. Notch isnt perfect. Last time I checked, hes another person just like the rest of us. :sarcastic:
 
[citation][nom]darkerson[/nom]Ah, so i see things differently and that makes me a fanboi. Gotcha![/citation]
Defending a point that should not be defended is what makes you a "fanboi." I said that Notch failed to make a game up to standards. Now he wants to hide behind his "indie" label when in reality the amount of money he made stops him from ever being indie again.

Oh and to your original point, graphics do not make a game; true. Having god awful graphics and refusing to hire a graphics artist because it doesn't agree with your profit margins is what the real problem is.

He wants to talk about bad business practices? He's a hypocrite.
 


Interesting. Why dont you tell us how you really feel? :lol:

Also, I didnt realize your opinions were more valid than mine. Truly enlightening. At any rate, you just seem hellbent on having a chip on your shoulder and nothing productive to say.

So, as amusing as this is, I have some fun games to go play. But I guess they all suck, by your definition, since they dont make my eye balls melt with the amazing visuals. :lol:
 
[citation][nom]darkerson[/nom]Interesting. Why dont you tell us how you really feel? Also, I didnt realize your opinions were more valid than mine. Truly enlightening. At any rate, you just seem hellbent on having a chip on your shoulder and nothing productive to say.So, as amusing as this is, I have some fun games to go play. But I guess they all suck, by your definition, since they dont make my eye balls melt with the amazing visuals.[/citation]
I didn't put any opinions in there. Other than his "graphics" are god awful. That may not be factual, but it's pretty darn close. No body in their right mind would label those graphics as a good idea for a full retail release.

http://www.pathofexile.com/gallery/preview/150
Grinding gear games is indie. They don't seem to be lazy like notch.

Keep trolling dude. The fact is that Notch has this ridiculous fan base that out numbers the sensible people, but as you said "I didnt realize your opinions were more valid than mine." At least I'm talking about facts. You just want to troll.

Super A plus bro-guy!

btw, i still play text based games, trade wars 2002 ftw. graphics are not an issue. they become one when you make 80 mil in revenue though.


but im done with this crap. the fanboys will always win. sheeple will forever outnumber those that can think for themselves.
 
[citation][nom]buddhabelly34[/nom]I didn't put any opinions in there. Other than his "graphics" are god awful. That may not be factual, but it's pretty darn close. No body in their right mind would label those graphics as a good idea for a full retail release.http://www.pathofexile.com/gallery/preview/150Grinding gear games is indie. They don't seem to be lazy like notch.Keep trolling dude. The fact is that Notch has this ridiculous fan base that out numbers the sensible people, but as you said "I didnt realize your opinions were more valid than mine." At least I'm talking about facts. You just want to troll.Super A plus bro-guy!btw, i still play text based games, trade wars 2002 ftw. graphics are not an issue. they become one when you make 80 mil in revenue though.but im done with this crap. the fanboys will always win. sheeple will forever outnumber those that can think for themselves.[/citation]

I usually think that a successful business venture was a good idea (unless there was something illegal or just plain immoral about it). MC has sold millions of copies, so it seems to have been a good idea. Heck, there are games with worse visual quality that sell well. Whether or not you're correct, you're the one who seems to be trolling here, just by reading the negativity of your posts.

You put quite a few more opinions out here than that you dislike MC's graphics. You calling Notch lazy is your opinion of Notch. You saying that other people here are sheep is your opinion. You called darkerson a troll and that's also your opinion. There are quite a lot of opinions that you seem to have.

I fail to see how the graphics suddenly become an issue just because they make someone millions instead of next to nothing. Notch made a game that people like and it really isn't bad (despite how badly you're hating on it), yet you say it's bad just because it made a lot of money. Well, I guarantee that it makes money from the fact that it isn't too expensive more than anything else.

The Radeon 7970 might be a faster card than the entry level gaming cards, but guess which cards make AMD the most money. I'll give you a hint: it isn't the more expensive card that makes the most money, despite the fact it can display far greater graphics quality while having higher frame rates.
 


Hmmm. There you go again, trying to pass off more opinions as fact. I also didnt realize that making a counter point or not seeing everything the same shade of grey as you was "trolling". I guess everyone that sees things differently than you is trolling. Fascinating! :lol:

And I know all about Path of Exile, seeing as Im in the beta. They also mentioned they are a slightly larger team, and that they have been working on the game behind closed doors for over 5 years. Glossing over more details, I see. Anyway, I also play plenty of M.U.D./M.U.S.H. games, Like Aardwolf and BatMUD, among others. In fact, I find them quite superior to most of the MMORPGs out there, in depth and scope, since they arent limited by graphics. But I digress...

As for Notch and his success, I would have to say a lot of it was because plenty of people didnt get deterred by the graphics, and saw through to the really important part. The actual gameplay. Its not for everyone, obviously, but I guess 5 million people must be wrong, going by your standards. :sarcastic:
 
EA buys a good game series or a idea and then rapes it and its ruined forever!!
 
As much as I hate EA... Notch is kinda crazy although I do agree that all 3 big publishers not just EA are ruining the GAMING MARKET with their trash. I did get enraged by EA's bundling of indie games. Why are they even allowed to bastardize the indie title? Notch isn't a saint either but he still made a modding friendly game which add in a lot of content and value into the game itself which I cant say same for these lame Publishers. =/ Rockstar is becoming one of those half ass publisher considering the route they took with Max Payne 3 *vomits*
 
As much as Id like to defend Notch on this, Id have to take a neutral stance. I mean, there really isnt a defined name to give those kinds of games. Indie games are recognizable in any genre, and anywhere you see those characteristics you instantly call it an indie game. Even if a game is made with a giant budget, if it looks/feels like an indie, you call it an indie game.

And I also see Notch's point of view here. and EA is likely not aware of the problem I mentioned. Someone just needs to come up with a name to call "non indie games that look and feel indie".
 
Never heard of this Notch guy, I think graphics are not the issue except for the 1337 moron.
I do know what EA has done to gaming, having to be online to play your LOCAL game, even Campaign on your PC is the point. Having to load bloatware for "security" reasons online, then to meet and greet all the 12yo kids who already downloaded the cheats for online play is awful.
Having software Companies like EA and Relic build crap games, come up with patches that makes the game more ridiculous and having to download 1GB patches over a DSL line is insanity. Efficiency in a Terraflop moving machine is down to 0. Having to wait minutes instead of seconds for the game to load and run is like waiting for eternity. At least Consoles or future consoles have to move back to Cartridges, we have flashrom now, use it on a cheap package like usb sticks.
 
I'll stop buying from ea and other big companies when they stop making awesome games like BF3, crysis3, mass effect, aliens:cm, Left 4 dead, etc.

Notch is a hypocrit, and as already said, he's a leech.

And to the tool thst thinks some indie dev is going to make some super advanced AAA title all by themselves, name ONE example of an indie game that's on par with mass effect or Bf3
 
fuck you notch, a much bigger problem is the difference in income between developers and publishers, and a lack of incentive for the production of quality media. the problem is defiantly not the name of a game bundle for simple point and click gamers
 
I love BF3 but hate EA as well and the last BF3 patch was horrible. I doubt Ill be buying anymore EA games either and that goes for Activision crap too.
 
[citation][nom]airborne11b[/nom]I'll stop buying from ea and other big companies when they stop making awesome games like BF3, crysis3, mass effect, aliens:cm, Left 4 dead, etc.Notch is a hypocrit, and as already said, he's a leech. And to the tool thst thinks some indie dev is going to make some super advanced AAA title all by themselves, name ONE example of an indie game that's on par with mass effect or Bf3[/citation]

I can say that EA has made plenty of bad games too. C&C RA3 was not good and it's not the only one.
 
It's disappointing how EA takes over all of these great games... But hey, that's capitalism. Profit > Benefit of the people. I'd rather keep it that way, but all in all, they should really think about the games they destroy before destroying more... Or stop? It feels like they sink their claws into every game they can, from Crysis to Battlefield.

And this is why I play minecraft.
 
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