Misleading FSB. GG Tom

[FUGGER]

"Quite a few people complained to me why I was running Pentium 4 at 100 MHz bus clock, although the right bus clock of Pentium 4 would be 400 MHz. This is of course WRONG! Pentium 4's bus clock is 100 MHz! Add Intel's marketing machine to that and suddenly it becomes 400 MHz, because Intel considers the people out there as too dumb to understand that the bus is indeed 100 MHz, but quad-pumped, which enables it to transfer four times as much data per clock than what previous Intel processors were able to do."

If I am not mistaken, I believe AMD started this trend with a 200Mhz "double pumped" FSB. can't give credit to Intel marketing or anyone else but AMD for this misleading figure given to FSB. I like how Tom goes "Intel considers the people out there as too dumb to understand" when AMD was started this crap. =) GG Tom

 

[Guest]

I must admit that you have a point there. I never even noticed because I knew it was a 100Mhz DDR bus, but you are right. I will say that when the athlon first came out, AMD said specifically that it was the Alpha EV6 bus, which is 100Mhz DDR, but I'm sure that they said it was 200Mhz many times. Only those of us who read the tech data and know what DDR means would know the difference.

 

[jg38141]

Well, first for Meeka, I don't think he's talking about ddr, I think he's referring to the original athlon which stated it had a double pumped FSB.
As for Fugger's coment: true amd mentioned it, but really amd's marketing is so bad, you can't really blame them for saying much of anything. I doubt most amd athlon owners have even heard of the 200 mhz FSB, where as Intel is using it in advertising as a key processor feature. And the Intel marketing machine is vast. Also- since fugger's last post was reactionary, uninformed, and pointlessly abrasive, it's hard to take much he says seriously anyway. He is clearly pro intel and will argue any way he can against amd and tom despite the facts.

 

[Guest]

DDR means Double Data Rate (as in DDR-SDRAM). I think you mean to say Double Pumped FSB (as in EV6 BUS)!

 

[Guest]

Well, I kind of thought they were basically the same. I know it's a double pumped bus. What is the difference between DDR and Double pumped?

 

[jg38141]

I believe they are basically the same principle- they just refer to different uses of the technology. I may be wrong though. For example AGP 2x/4x is the idea put to use on an agp slot, double/quad pumped refers to the FSB of a chip, and DDR/QDR (Is that what their calling the new stuff they're working on- quad data rate?) is more RAM specific. Anyone, except fugger, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[FUGGER]

I was reacting to: "because Intel considers the people out there as too dumb to understand" a direct slam on Intel for something they cannot take credit for. I thought Tom was smart enough to remember who actually started misleading FSB speed. AMD coined the term double pumped 100Mhz FSB = 200Mhz

Intel was starting to ship true 133Mhz FSB and AMD couldn't market machines with 100Mhz FSB sooo, AMD marketing stratagy was to one up Intel with the double pumped 100Mhz FSB calling it 200Mhz even tho it actually was 100Mhz.