mobo- a bottleneck?

[merwan]

is my mobo a bottleneck for a 8800 gts 640MB?

cpu-z

mobo

thank you

 

[pmr]

I don't believe it will bottleneck it.

 

[merwan]

thank you, you revived me with that reply.

 

[pmr]

I don't have or met anyone with that board, but there isn´t any reason why it would bottleneck a gfx card since it has an nvidia chipset with pcie 16x and supports an x2 6000+.

 

[chris1784]

hi, a noob here. Can anyone tell me how or why a mobo would bottle neck? another questions, which I dont think requires a new thread (since its noobish..) if a mobo has a FSB of 1333/1066, that means it only takes CPUs with that speed, correct? Thanks guys

 

[Slobogob]

hi, a noob here. Can anyone tell me how or why a mobo would bottle neck?

There are mainboards with PCIe 16x slots that are only connected with 8x lanes and thus have only half the speed of a full PCIe x16 slot. Some boards come with 4x only but still have a x16 physical slot. Such boards can possibly limit high end GPUs.

another questions, which I dont think requires a new thread (since its noobish..) if a mobo has a FSB of 1333/1066, that means it only takes CPUs with that speed, correct? Thanks guys

The FSB specification mentioned is the maximum FSB specified by the manufacturer. It can run and will run lower.

 

[merwan]

lets get it right im fine yes?

 

[pmr]

sure

do u have a good psu?

 

[merwan]

yes i hope. thank you for asking as thats my other slight worry. i got it recommended from your ''PSU REFERENCE LIST''

psu: coolmaster igreen 500W and 33 Amps

coolermaster igreen 500W

so is that fine?

specs:
mobo: see above link
cpu: athlon 64 x2 6000+ (single processor)
memory: 2Ghz kingston pc6400~800
1HDD- Barracuda 7200.9 Serial ATA (ST3160212AS) 160GB
radeon 1600 pro (soon will be 8800 gts 640mb)
1 dvd-rw/dvd+rw drive (PHILIPS DVDR1660P1 (ATAPI)
PCI 56K PCI Modem

thats all my specs i think.

 

[morg]

I don't believe it will bottleneck it.

• NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 and nForce 410 Chipset

yes, it does. but lightly

while a full ATX with a performance chipset gives the best performance,
a micro ATX board with integrated graphics provides slightly less performance at almost everything. your board should perform about 2-8% slower. nothing like : hey, my 8800 gt gives 8600 gt performance...

entry-level boards are cost efficient. also, another version bearing the 430 chipset ( often paired with the nforce 410 ) gives more room to performance. and will only suffer about 2-4% performance loss...

if you stress your components intensively, you'll get the 4% and 8% loss... in idle, you'll only lose 2% and in some cases 0%... this is even true for interfaces. IDE, SATA, USB devices (not in the same ratio)

double check compatibility ( i mean number of issues you can find while searching through forums. ) some Matx boards will have power related issues with a capacitator leaking while plugging a top notch precise card...

a full ATX board is always a better choice while looking for top performance. check you PSU too because these video cards have a really high power draw. don't bother, your video card will not be bottlenecked more than your radeon was. it's an overall chipset performance we're talking about.

 

[morg]

I don't have or met anyone with that board, but there isn´t any reason why it would bottleneck a gfx card since it has an nvidia chipset with pcie 16x and supports an x2 6000+.

the 6000+ isn't supported since they didn't include the 15x multi... lol
abit link compatible CPU:
Athlon 64 x2 6000+ (F3 version, 125W) 200fsb 15x NO

i think it should work with another setting... lol like 300x10 or 266x11.5...
the board is less stable than a full atx board. probably because the X2 6000 draws 125 watt while others takes less.

i suggest any X2 6000+ with a cheap mobo to get performing 800mhz ram, underclock it to 266mhz at best timing. and then set the multi to whatever it can take... integrated graphics mobo rarely supports overclock settings in which you change the pci clock. unless the board is specifically designed FOR overclocking.

 

[morg]

hi, a noob here. Can anyone tell me how or why a mobo would bottle neck? another questions, which I dont think requires a new thread (since its noobish..) if a mobo has a FSB of 1333/1066, that means it only takes CPUs with that speed, correct? Thanks guys

no... it doesn't mean the board will support all cpu running at that speed. there might be power draw issues resulting in instability, reducing the cpu or mobo lifetime ( through insufficient capacitators strenght or number ). the missing multiplier can be an issue.

iversely, it doesn't mean other cpu won't fit on the board. neither that they will... for supported CPU, check the manufacturer cpu compatibility chart for that specific board. bios updates can fix most incompatibility issues.

 

[morg]

cpu-z

your cpu-z shows your cpu is working correctly.
abit's website showing the cpu to be unsupported tells me something bad.
your CPU will hold it. your board could have a reduced lifetime...

if not, the trouble is cpu specific and you got a good one probably running safely at this setting or got an aftermarket cpu cooler reduicing stress to capacitators. then, what was an overheating problem is resolved. unless the trouble is unstability under full load. ..


looking back at the cpu chart, it makes sense because power draw exceeding 89W were not supported in all case. probably heat issue resulting in capacitators leak. a simple aftermarket cpu heatsink ( with a good overall airflow ) should relolve the problem.

be sure the new video card don't introduce too much heat into the case...
if the CPU hold it staying stable and if the board has the setting, i would try to lower CPU voltage to reduce heat, and use a different setting if the mobo holds it... like i said, 333x9 seems an excellent setting to run the CPU at if it stays stable... while not using a higher overall frequency, it would increase the cpu bandwith and maybe use less voltage... 266x11.5 could also be tested. try to stick as near as possible to the 2.8ghz versions of the ship.

 

[merwan]

what if i get a better fan?

 

[pmr]

I don't have or met anyone with that board, but there isn´t any reason why it would bottleneck a gfx card since it has an nvidia chipset with pcie 16x and supports an x2 6000+.

the 6000+ isn't supported since they didn't include the 15x multi... lol



I know the site says it's not supported...but it works...
Otherwise this wasn't possible:

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=208552

As for the bottleneck, 2 to 8% is not considered a bottleneck, since you have those differences all over the chipsets in every task: 650i, 680i, 975, 965, 945, nforce 4 etc.

Does that matter? No.

 

[merwan]

let me get this right. now im left wondering.

advice me please; do i need something else to avoid possible burning down of my pc when the 8800gts640mb comes?

im not gonna put the 8800gts640mb till i get a response.

 

[pmr]

let me get this right. now im left wondering.

advice me please; do i need something else to avoid possible burning down of my pc when the 8800gts640mb comes?

im not gonna put the 8800gts640mb till i get a response.

Unless your case is not well ventilated, you'll have no problem whatsoever.

 

[merwan]

well you know when you open a desktop from the inside, you have to remove the cover thingy. well i always have that removed. is that helpful to the ventilation or do i need a stronger fan?

 

[pmr]

The case's side panel?

 

[merwan]

yes

 

[aevm]

yes i hope. thank you for asking as thats my other slight worry. i got it recommended from your ''PSU REFERENCE LIST''

psu: coolmaster igreen 500W and 33 Amps

coolermaster igreen 500W

so is that fine?

specs:
mobo: see above link
cpu: athlon 64 x2 6000+ (single processor)
memory: 2Ghz kingston pc6400~800
1HDD- Barracuda 7200.9 Serial ATA (ST3160212AS) 160GB
radeon 1600 pro (soon will be 8800 gts 640mb)
1 dvd-rw/dvd+rw drive (PHILIPS DVDR1660P1 (ATAPI)
PCI 56K PCI Modem

thats all my specs i think.

500W is fine but cutting it a bit close. I ran some quick numbers at
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
and got 433W (with a 5000+ CPU, they don't have the 6000+).
If you want to add another hard disk or two later it may not be enough.

 

[merwan]

this calculator does have 6000+ athlon 64 x2 (socket AM2 AMD)

 

[pmr]

yes

without side panel is perfect!

 

[merwan]

you guys are just the best. your help is solid. im all cool

tomshardware rocks!

 

[pmr]

yes i hope. thank you for asking as thats my other slight worry. i got it recommended from your ''PSU REFERENCE LIST''

psu: coolmaster igreen 500W and 33 Amps

coolermaster igreen 500W

so is that fine?

specs:
mobo: see above link
cpu: athlon 64 x2 6000+ (single processor)
memory: 2Ghz kingston pc6400~800
1HDD- Barracuda 7200.9 Serial ATA (ST3160212AS) 160GB
radeon 1600 pro (soon will be 8800 gts 640mb)
1 dvd-rw/dvd+rw drive (PHILIPS DVDR1660P1 (ATAPI)
PCI 56K PCI Modem

thats all my specs i think.

500W is fine but cutting it a bit close. I ran some quick numbers at
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
and got 433W (with a 5000+ CPU, they don't have the 6000+).
If you want to add another hard disk or two later it may not be enough.

for sure you did it wrong. so, don't bother...
did you choose single processor? and wtf? his psu has 33 amps on the 12v rail.