MORE PROOF OF TOMS HARDWARE BIAS

[9-inch]

Did you guys had a look at the front page?

Here's a quote:

Visitors at IDF got a first taste of what Intel is capable of, once you wake it up. Thus far, its demos have left no doubt that Merom and its derivatives - Conroe on the desktop and Woodcrest on the server side - are monster systems that promise to beat every other processor on the market, in terms of both performance and efficiency.

This is clear proof of how these guys get excited at any little propaganda Intel throws at them.
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Now, here's a quote about the Turion X2:

It's worth noting that AMD apparently does not intend for Turion X2 to attain any sort of performance or power savings goal. Rooney confirmed that AMD's primary goal with the new processor is achieve more design wins, and get more OEMs on board to integrate the processor into product plans. AMD currently boasts of about 10.9% market share in the notebook space.

They asume this because they don't have the specs of the chip. I read the whole article and there's no sign of Rooney saying something like that (and I doubt he did since AMD would fire him immediately).
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[k2000k]

Grow up.

 

[luminaris]

Dude, what's the big deal of that statement? They are just simply making a conclusion of what they saw at the IDF.

Nothing biased about that statement at all. Now, go to class and put on your dunce cap

 

[Ninjax]

THG is highly biased towards intel anyway...we all know that

 

[rodney_ws]

I FAILED to see the bias... I chose a past tense verb because I'm done with this post.

 

[9-inch]

Dude, what's the big deal of that statement? They are just simply making a conclusion of what they saw at the IDF.

Nothing biased about that statement at all. Now, go to class and put on your dunce cap

It wouldn't surprise me if you didn't answer the way you did. Opps, I forgot you were an Intel fanboy that uses an Opteron to hide his fanboyism towards Intel.

Anyhow, it's Toms credibility in the tech community in risk here.
There will be a time when no one would ever read their biased articles.

 

[luminaris]

And what is so wrong with the fact that I happen to like Intel? Explain what the big deal is ...You bring absolutely nothing to the table with this thread at all as usual.

It doesn't matter who says what anymore, everything is always BIASED.

 

[Heyyou27]

Please stop crying.

 

[rochin]

Dude, what's the big deal of that statement? They are just simply making a conclusion of what they saw at the IDF.

Nothing biased about that statement at all. Now, go to class and put on your dunce cap

It wouldn't surprise me if you didn't answer the way you did. Opps, I forgot you were an Intel fanboy that uses an Opteron to hide his fanboyism towards Intel.

Anyhow, it's Toms credibility in the tech community in risk here.
There will be a time when no one would ever read their biased articles.

9-inch,

Go get Dvdpiddy and have your self an AMD fanboys bitch session. Intel has finally coming out with something that is a strong product and now your thinking you might be on the wrong side. Get a life and more so go marry Dvdpiddy. Since he acts like a woman, you should be made for yourselves.

 

[Whizzard9992]

I feel somehow responsible for this...

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/08/turion64_x2/

Among the other details Rooney was willing to confirm was that Turion X2's power consumption will be within the range of its current mobile processors, as the company plans to once again target the "thin-and-light" market segment.

^^ I think that may be what they were referring to.

Conroe on the desktop and Woodcrest on the server side - are monster systems that promise to beat every other processor on the market

Even AMD fanboys will agree that Conroe and Woodcrest should beat out the current AMD lineup. When AMD's new processors come out, I'm sure they'll promise to beat out Conroe and Woodcrest. Promises are only that, though.

From an objective point, in theory, NGMA is still inferior to AMD's HyperTransport from a strictly architectural point of view, especially when it comes to multi-cores. Intel's 65nm and 45nm processes, the use of DDR2, as well as high clock rates may allow them to keep the pace or surpass AMD, but only time will tell. The problem with hypertransport is that it doesn't play nicely with the newer DDR2 yet, until the newer DD2 comes out.

Intel has planned to move thier Memory controller on-die by 2008 for server processors, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[saintbabs]

What a ridiculous argument.

In the Intel coverage the author questions all of Intel's claims, and clearly states that, while it was impressive to attendees, it was hyperbole. Even a sly reference to the Steve Jobs PowerPC versus Intel demos makes it way into the article.

As for the AMD part, it was an actual discussion, and quite clearly a quote from conversations between the author and Rooney.

The clear bias is yours.

Now, testing an Intel system against an AMD system, as provided by Intel PR, that's an interesting approach

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713

If you are going to trash THG, show some creativity.

 

[MadModMike]

Dude, what's the big deal of that statement? They are just simply making a conclusion of what they saw at the IDF.

Nothing biased about that statement at all. Now, go to class and put on your dunce cap

It wouldn't surprise me if you didn't answer the way you did. Opps, I forgot you were an Intel fanboy that uses an Opteron to hide his fanboyism towards Intel.

Anyhow, it's Toms credibility in the tech community in risk here.
There will be a time when no one would ever read their biased articles.

9-inch,

Go get Dvdpiddy and have your self an AMD fanboys bitch session. Intel has finally coming out with something that is a strong product and now your thinking you might be on the wrong side. Get a life and more so go marry Dvdpiddy. Since he acts like a woman, you should be made for yourselves.

Damn man, after Intel released those fake benchmarks, it seems every single Intel Troll has come outta the wood works to flame AMD, sheesh, and they tell us to grow up lol.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

 

[FITCamaro]

If you feel this site is biased, why do you read it and why are you on the forums for the site?

 

[Whizzard9992]

Also keep in mind that Technology is usually a game of leap frog, except Intel tripped a few years ago and has been struggling to keep up.

If things go back to normal, then this release intel will be faster, then AMD, then Intel again, much like nVidia and ATI right now...

 

[sylvez]

[qoute]Visitors at IDF got a first taste of what Intel is capable of, once you wake it up. Thus far, its demos have left no doubt that Merom and its derivatives - Conroe on the desktop and Woodcrest on the server side - are monster systems that promise to beat every other processor on the market, in terms of both performance and efficiency.[/quote]

you kinda expected him to write : Conroe on the desktop and Woodcrest on the server side - are monster systems that promise to beat every other processor on the market, in terms of both performance and efficiency. Which we think, are utter bullcrap.

is that wat u wanted to see?

seriously i dont see anything wrong with that article at all.

 

[RichPLS]

ooooooui, you have problem with women? tsk tsk.

 

[BaronMatrix]

[qoute]Visitors at IDF got a first taste of what Intel is capable of, once you wake it up. Thus far, its demos have left no doubt that Merom and its derivatives - Conroe on the desktop and Woodcrest on the server side - are monster systems that promise to beat every other processor on the market, in terms of both performance and efficiency.

you kinda expected him to write : Conroe on the desktop and Woodcrest on the server side - are monster systems that promise to beat every other processor on the market, in terms of both performance and efficiency. Which we think, are utter bullcrap.

is that wat u wanted to see?

seriously i dont see anything wrong with that article at all.[/quote]


Intel has finally gotten it right.... for awhile. I'm sure it's NEVER GOING TO BE OVER, so AMD will probably do something extra for the Rev F - especially for the Opteron. They will probably still own 4 way servers because of HyperTransport and Direct Connect. Most sources give AM2 a 30% increase per clock when it releases. If they come through with the new low power transistors and gates the power consumption WILL go down 10%.

I am sure the big play will be when the FX and Opteron get L3 and more FP registers. AMD is a 30 year old chip company that got the guy who was responsible for 21164 Alpha and EV6 bus.

They are being really tightlipped so it seems like they are confiden that they will catch back up pretty easily. And that's without the new architecture.

I like both companies for what they do but Intel has been a real shit to AMD over the years and deserve any trouncing they get.


Like I said elsewhere this summer will be hot.

 

[samir_nayanajaad]

Ok I don’t know how well you know English so this is one definition of biased

Favoring one person or side over another

Now for Toms to be any help at all they have to favor one product or another in the end to tell us anything about what to buy, otherwise they are completely useless.

Another thing, one key word in this article that you got so uptight about is promise if your more than 6 years old you know promise can be broken. And one more thing Intel made this promise not Tom's, Tom's is just saying "From what we have and can observe, we think that Intel’s promise looks to be true and if it is indeed true then we support it."

What I think you have mistaken bias for is prejudice. There is no reason to think Toms is prejudice, because all their decisions are grounded in tests, benchmarks, and most importantly, use of products. When they are not, they make no attempt to hide this from the reader they will say “this is what Intell or AMD has told us and we are telling you”. I would not ask any more of someone whom I come to for advice even if in the end that advice was wrong. They can’t possibly know all the little glitches and bugs that might crop up when using a particular product with all other products, it’s impossible and impractical.

Even in the recent 11 pound pencil all the guy was saying that in the specific situation that laptop is not a good choice, he just made a poor choice of words in the title, making the reader think that he was saying the laptop was crap, not the use of the laptop in that situation. If you take the time to read and not skim, you will see that most of the time mistakes like this one are easily seen as mistakes or just poor wording not conveying exactly the intent of what the author wants to convey.

I personally think you need to stop posting until you learn how to make a competent complaint. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but your entitlement should be revoked until you can stop that b$ of yours from spewing onto this forum it is helping no one at all.

As for the rest of us I think we should pay no attention to what 9-inch has to say until you feel he has a valid question-comment-opinion that needs to be seen to, after all I will never not help someone if they ask me for help that I can provide because I too need help sometimes.

 

[rochin]

Intel Troll? Hardly. I am just sick of the hardcore AMD rules all attitude of the mentioned fanboys. To them AMD will rule all no matter what. I have had both AMD and Intel systems way back since the 200mhz war was going on. Both have had issues. I currently have an Intel system and it is great. I will be building a new system in a year or so and I am excited that Intel is kicking it up a bit. Now in a year I will see what CPU I like best. I am not on either side at this point. I just am tired of in every thread about any topic people finding some way to bash intel. Dvdpiddy has over 1000 posts and he registered around the same time as me. I have posted on a few things, but dang he has alot to say. Look at 90% of his posts and you will see they are complete garbage written by what looks like a 12 year old. People like him are what makes online forums die. People get tired of seeing thier crap posted again and again. Finally they just leave. I have been there and done that with 3 other "Dell sucks, Intel sucks, Microsoft sucks" bashing forums full of people that just like to type the word suck.

 

[luminaris]

8O

 

[Ycon]

If those benchmarks are fake, Pam Anderson was born with that chest...

The whole world says those benchmarks are true, but youre the only one to say theyre not.
Oh wait, I forgot that noone cares what a mentally challenged idiot like you tries to think, my bad.

 

[luminaris]

If Pam was born with that chest, I feel sorry for her Mother at birth 8O

 

[9-inch]

I don't know about the youngsters in this forum, but I read Tomshardware since many years ago and I (and many others like me) have concluded that they're too biased towards Intel.

Since when THG gave credit to AMD for their K8 architecture and dual core approach?
AMD's Athlon 64 rocessor is far ahead than any Intel processor to date and still you read articles like, "AMD has launched the FX processor but it trails Intel EE".
"What about, AMD's manufacturing processing is good, but it lacks Intel resoruces".
That's the kind of sh!t I'm talking about. Every time AMD has something good to offer to the public and the media, these guys will always have something to counter them.
With Intel is a totally different story: "Intel's pentium 4 is more stable than Athlons", or "Intel is the best company in the world and it will finish put the coffin on the competition" or "The pentium-M: the most advanced microarchitecture in the world (and they give credit to it to almost prasing the thing)".
last year IDF they were so excited about Intle propaganda that they even said that Intel's "multicore" approach will leave AMD in the dust.

How many of you have watched the "performance test" that they did last year with the Athlon 64 4800+ and the EE840??
They didn't want to give up on it even after changing 3-4 motherboards and a million heatsinks.
They concluded that after running both system, the 840EE was the better performer no matter how hot and how poor it performed in the other tests when we all know it didn't.
They bashed the AMD system because it was not cappable of runing the 4th task, I believe it was DivX, but that was not the processor fault, it was windows scheduler that sucked. The intel rig did fine but it failed miserably in the other 3 tests.

The other thing is their reviews. they differ from ALL other sites. When you stack them against Anand's review or techreport or hexus or many other more, you come to the conclusion that AMD's processor are far away from the competition. Tom's review are something different and indeed it says the oposite. You'll never see a review of them that clearly shows the Athlons lead.

Their weblog is another story. They have some dumbass posting bullshit about AMD not being capable of beating Intel and how AMD sucks and they spread all this fud in the net misleading people with those statements.

Anyhow, as I said again, it's their website and they can post all the fud they want. The problem I have is that we as readers from this and other sites demand more respect and professionalism, not fanboyism or bias towards one company.

 

[samir_nayanajaad]

lol true true each one has to be like a 9 lb kid

 

[ltcommander_data]

They asume this because they don't have the specs of the chip.

Do you have to be so blatantly uninformed with your accusations against THG. The specs for the Turion X2s have been out for more than a week now.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30020

The fastest model will run at 2GHz and none of them will have 1MB of L2 cache. It seems to me that based on those specs, AMD's top 2GHz X2 won't be able to lead the 2.33GHz Core Duo in performance. In addition, the Turion X2s are basically regular X2s produced using lower powered transistors, they have not been modified architecturally for mobile use. Each core is directly tied to the other so that if 1 core is operating at 100% load in single-treaded operation, the unused core will still be running at full power. On the other hand, Core Duos have the ability to independantly clock and power their cores to save battery life. This will probably mean the Core Duo will have the advantage in battery life as well.

Now if the Core Duo architecture should compete quite nicely against the unreleased Turion X2s it's not unreasonable to assume Merom will do the same if not better. The Turion X2 will no doubt be able to scale higher so perhaps performance-wise the competition will be good, but without a truly mobile architecture forcing both cores to be powered equally regardless of load, Merom will lead in power consumption.

Based on the state of the Turion X2s being released, Rooney's statements don't seem out of line. I shouldn't have to remind you either that AMD's CEO has already publicly admitted that AMD dropped the ball on the mobile market. As well, the fact that AMD isn't paying as much attention to performance and power and is instead focused on marketing to OEMs is also nothing new. AMD's CEO has already announced that the commercial/corporate market is where their efforts are going to be. What Rooney has said and what THG is reporting is completely consistant with the information that is available right now.