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[Spitfire_x86]

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From this chart, it looks like Thorton will have 266 MHz FSB
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[eden]

Second link does not work.

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[FallOutBoyTonto]

According to <A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10200" target="_new">The Inquirer</A> there are pics at <A HREF="http://www.hexus.net" target="_new">Hexus.net</A>

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[Quetzacoatl]

Look! Up in the sky, it's the Super Duron! No, seriously from what other websites have posted as opinions and "news", it just looks like a bottlenecked AXP to revive the Duron approach.

Instead of Rdram, why not just merge 4 Sdram channels...

 

[eden]

For Christ's sake a Barton with 256KB L2 is a Tbred! 😱

And why the heck is it 101mm^2?
Did they just increase the die space from the 84mm^2 they had for Tbred?!
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[slvr_phoenix]

It's just a Barton with half of the cache blown like Intel does to the Celerons. So the die size is as though it <i>had</i> Barton's cache, even though you can only use half of that cache now.

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[Spitfire_x86]

It's 101mm², but 53.9 million transistors!!! Why it has ~16 million more transistors compared to T-bred "B"? Nearly equal number of transistors, but less die space compared to Barton.

According to x86-secrets, "Thorton" was supposed to be usable 266 MHz FSB mobos, so there may be a 266 MHz FSB version, too.

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[pIII_Man]

This does save production costs though...cause processors that fail b/c of some faulty cache with half the cache could run flawlessly just like the celeries as pheonix stated

 

[eden]

Why would it save on costs?
Both are the same, the cache is laid on in there but just wasted.
If they revert to Tbreds as Durons, they actually increase their yeilds per wafer, to a high rate which they prefer.

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[eden]

How can you say less die space if it has the same amount of transistors at the same process?

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[lhgpoobaa]

Tsk tsk. its fundamental!

You dont save money making thortons INSTEAD of Tbreds... But you do make money selling them along WITH tbreds AS Tbreds essentially.

Look at it this way...
The CPU's have been made anyway, regardless of if they are good or not. So whynot use a certain percentage of 'bad' cpu's, disable the half of the cache with the problem and sell them as Tbred's. That way you still make money instead of just throwing the CPU into the trash.

I wonder though about their general overclockability.

On one hand their greater die surface area will lead to better cooling characteristics (More total Surface area, even though half the cache isn't used)
On the other hand they do come from 'damaged' stock which may effect overclocking... or it may not. The fault may be at a single point that prevents the cpu from passing normal Barton Evaluation.



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[eden]

Ahh I see your point and yes you are right. Indeed if we concentrate more work on one line of CPUs, it helps.

But you do make money selling them along WITH tbreds AS Tbreds essentially.

That didn't click with me, while your explanation below it did. Can you re-explain this?

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[pIII_Man]

Just like celerons, intel noticed that it was throwing away a good number of cpus, so they got the idea of selling many pII's that failed to run stable w/o any L2 as Celerons, they saved alot of money cause they could make money off of once trashed cpus, thus 7 years (or so) latter we have something simular with curent celeries except they aren't totally neutered, they just get some of their cache removed(i think half?). About o/cing since a 50% o/c with air cooling isn't out of the ordinary on celerons, i am assuming that the batrons will respond simularly...and overclock higher...of course this is speculation, the more die area and less heat output would greatly help as stated earlier.
I dont quite get that post eiter...poobaa do you mean they will have a broader market base...please explain

 

[lhgpoobaa]

Well at the end of the day you have more processors to sell.
That means either higher profits per wafer or lower prices as the effective yield is better.

Intel have been doing it for years!

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[rcj187]

maybe im missing something fundementally obvious here but isnt a barton with 256kb cache just a tbred? why call them thorton? why arent they just being sold AS tbreds?

 

[pIII_Man]

You are right on paper they are tbreds, however since they are menufactured with the full cache they do have a diffrent core than tbreds. To the consumer it doesnt make any diffrence but to amd it is a big help. It will probably have about the same performace as the tbreds however will cost less to make because they can use their failed processors as stated earlier and they dont have to build 2 diffrent cores (barton and tbred).

 

[lhgpoobaa]

One would imagine they would start phasing out the Tbred production line soon... the desktop segment will be filled with bartons, thortons as necessary then eventually A64's.

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