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Question MSI GF63 Thin 9RCX stuttering in almost every big game. What's causing it ?

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Nothing works, everything they did there I already tried and the only thing I didn't do is "removing dragon center) which did nothing, CPU is still limited to 25w and clock speed drops down hard to 2.6 they said that they fixed it by disabling the nvidia GPU which is just dumb to do since I want to play games
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Sorry... I don't know what else to tell ya. They got that limit hard coded into the bios or something, with the excuse that the full 45w will throttle on the thinbooks...
I might've found something but I'm not sure if I should even touch this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops/comments/boe9uu View: https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops/comments/boe9uu/unlocking_bios_on_most_msi_laptops/


I mean I'm quite competent when it comes to computers in general but I just don't want to mess anything up (I have flashbacks of bricking my dell xps laptop when I tried modifying the hardcoded clock speed limit lol )
so I need an advice on what to do from a guy who dealt with msi products
 
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Well, that's interesting!
Are you able to do it with your model though?
YUP just unlocked loads of features but I don't know what to exactly modify there's Power limit 1 which is set to 45 and power limit 2 which is set to 95 and there's some thing called turbo tdp ratio which is 25 in the information label and in the blue (modification label) pl 1 & pl2 are and turbo tdp ratio are all set to 0 for some reason
 
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YUP just unlocked loads of features but I don't know what to exactly modify there's Power limit 1 which is set to 45 and power limit 2 which is set to 95 and there's some thing called configurable tdp ratio which is 25 in the information label and in the blue (modification label) pl 1 & pl2 are and "configurable tdp ratio are all set to 0 for some reason
can you tell me what I should be looking for based on that video (settings template are quite similar)

edit : they look exactly similar
I have 2 config tdp levels and they're all set to 0 including the turbo activation tdp ratio or whatever it's called
in the grey part where it shows the current values it says 25.0 (unlocked)
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Phaaze88

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Power Limit 1 is for the 9750H running all cores at base frequency.
Power Limit 2 is for the cpu to reach those turbo clocks.

Your specs aren't the exact same as the other user. Compare the performance specifications:
i7-9750H
i7-10710U
-Frequencies are different, I get that.
-I know what the power limits are and do.
-You've just got TDP down(35w default), he's got both up(25w) and down(12.5), on top of TDP frequencies up and down too
-There's power limit windows(in seconds). The window for PL1 should be 0, same thing for the activation ratio.

I'm kinda confusing myself looking at this guy's bios and trying to apply to yours...o_O

I'd imagine the Configurable TDP Down is what Msi changed(the 25w) that's throttling your cpu, and should be all you need to change.
 
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Power Limit 1 is for the 9750H running all cores at base frequency.
Power Limit 2 is for the cpu to reach those turbo clocks.

Your specs aren't the exact same as the other user. Compare the performance specifications:
i7-9750H
i7-10710U
-Frequencies are different, I get that.
-I know what the power limits are and do.
-You've just got TDP down(35w default), he's got both up(25w) and down(12.5), on top of TDP frequencies up and down too
-There's power limit windows(in seconds). The window for PL1 should be 0, same thing for the activation ratio.

I'm kinda confusing myself looking at this guy's bios and trying to apply to yours...o_O

I'd imagine the Configurable TDP Down is what Msi changed(the 25w) that's throttling your cpu, and should be all you need to change.
Sorry if I confused you here are my bios setttings (I'm not sure what to change exactly / what exact value) the only thing I changed is the energy efficient p state (disabled it) and I'm not sure about the tdp stuff, here are some screen shots :




Phaaze88
edit : I also just noticed that the cpu tdp get's limited when the world renders in but when I was at the gta loading screen it was hitting 33w

 
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Phaaze88

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Okay, that's the cpu TDP down kicking in in the hwinfo image.

Beneath 'Custom Settings Down':
Set PL1 to 40. If it's in milliwatts like in that guy's video, set it to 40,000.
Set ConfigTDP Turbo Activation Ratio to 30.
Save and exit.

The settings I've suggested should:
-instead of capping at 35w, it should stop at 40w.
-instead of sitting at 2.2ghz, it should do 3.0ghz - IF temps are alright.
This is just testing the waters - raising power limits/frequency will increase thermals. If there's headroom available, then this bump shouldn't be too much of a problem.
 
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I set the one under custom settings down
PL1 : 40,000
PL2 : 0
Config TDP : 30


EDIT : Nothing changed I still get that game freezing when crashing a car or going fast

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Okay, that's the cpu TDP down kicking in in the hwinfo image.

Beneath 'Custom Settings Down':
Set PL1 to 40. If it's in milliwatts like in that guy's video, set it to 40,000.
Set ConfigTDP Turbo Activation Ratio to 30.
Save and exit.

The settings I've suggested should:
-instead of capping at 35w, it should stop at 40w.
-instead of sitting at 2.2ghz, it should do 3.0ghz - IF temps are alright.
This is just testing the waters - raising power limits/frequency will increase thermals. If there's headroom available, then this bump shouldn't be too much of a problem.
It's still capped at 25w on hwinfo and the stupid game freezing is still there
 

Phaaze88

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Core 5 thermal throttling... is that the only core? There's also Package/Ring Thermal Throttling...
Even if that core is the only one, it's going to affect all others.

This laptop does not have the necessary cooling to handle raising the power limits - that's why Msi did what they did.
It's messed up, but everyone who bought that model got screwed.
 
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Core 5 thermal throttling... is that the only core? There's also Package/Ring Thermal Throttling...
Even if that core is the only one, it's going to affect all others.

This laptop does not have the necessary cooling to handle raising the power limits - that's why Msi did what they did.
It's messed up, but everyone who bought that model got screwed.
Perhaps, I'm still not convinced at all that this could be a power limit issue my whole game is freezing for a split second and the gpu usage drops to literally 0% every few seconds and drops even faster when I go into the city in gta or some explosion happens take a look:




and even when undervolting it and the gpu barely hits 70c it still happens perhaps this could be a ram issue? This happens whenever I throw a deamanding game on my laptop. Like GTA5 / Asseto corasa with ultra textures/JC4 & JC3. But rarely happens when playing roblox and playing a heavy modded game in roblox and happens sometimes in asseto corsa without mods.
AND this big thing that convinces me that this could be the problem is that when watching youtube videos this sometimes happens (not much though) when watching at 720p / 1080p and it happens for a split second. (even though chrome is literally using the igpu not nvidia and the cpu is on eco mode which means it's not gonna even try to consume power beyond the limit set by MSI and I got further convinced when I found this post (which he stated that he fixed that problem by replacing his faulty ram)
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/gpu-usage-drops-to-0-games-freeze-for-5-10-seconds.2757357/
even though my game doesn't freeze for "5-10 seconds" it's kinda related (mine at max freezes for like 3 but most of the time it's less than a second to a second but it's still noticable either way). I could be wrong so I figured out I might aswell ask you I really appriciate the effort you've put in helping me with this annoying issue. Do you know anyway to confirm my theory? what i've tried so far is running the memdiag test which came up with nothing,also to further add on this is that when I put my cpu on eco mode which means the cpu clock speed is capped at 1.20 ghz on all cores and go into gta the game runs on 25 fps and even though the game is kinda laggy gpu usage drops and freezing still happen so it's prob not a power limit thing I'm quite sure. but I'm not sure how the power limit would effect the gpu thus causing the whole game to freeze and the clock speed and usage to drop to absolute minimum causing the whole game to freeze. edit : my other message is still waiting for mod approval give it few hours.

EDIT : forgot to mention that there were 2 times where once my computer just completly froze while playing gta and talking to a friend on discord (keyboard backlight went off and windows compelety froze) and today when I was testing the gpu to show you the graphs my game started flickering (black screen then goes back to normal I fixed it by alt tabbing serveral times and then my game crashed and windows explorer also crashed so I had to sign out and sign back in to get back on my desktop) so again do you know anyway to test what's causing this.
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I just hope this isn't about power limit because I've seen people use this laptop just fine without issues

I really don't know at this point because the only real time thing I noticed is just cpu & gpu usage drops which doesn't happen in less demanding games.
 

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