Question MSI OC Genie

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qHasT

qHasT

Feb 24, 2023
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Hi, I enabled OC Genie in bios on my MSI motherboard and accidentally turned off the system on the "OC Genie enabled!!" screen and now my PC starts up with no display.

MOBO: MSI H61M-P25 (B3)

Edit: I tried clearing CMOS multiple times.
 
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Aeacus said:
I don't think it was an "accident". In any event, your system is old and it was about the time for it to give up the ghost.

Look for a new PC. No point wasting money on MoBo replacement.

You can look it as life's tax.
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Why I would buy a new pc if this one its enough for what i'm doing?
 
Well, unless you're happy that you don't see any image on screen, sure, you can keep yours.

There are used H61 MoBos out there, that you can buy, to replace the one you blew. But the question here is; is only MoBo dead, or are CPU, RAM and GPU dead too? Since those 4 are needed for PC to display the image.

H61 chipset doesn't support CPU OC and the fact that your old MSI MoBo BIOS even has OC Genie is strange. You could've very well shot your CPU.

Here, you need 2nd, compatible PC, to test out each component individually, to see which of them survived and which didn't. Up for testing would be CPU, RAM, MoBo and dedicated GPU (if you have it in your system). Also, what PSU you have? Since poor/old PSU can kill everything it is connected to just as fine as well.

All-in-all, trying to find out which of the component died, is a lot of work and effort, IF you even have 2nd compatible system where to test it all out. Sure, you can go by trial-and-error method, buying new components and replacing old ones, until you get the life back to PC. But CPU-MoBo-RAM = new PC. Also, who is there to tell, that the used components you're buying on 2nd hand market even work? Might as well spend money on 2nd, used MoBo, to find out that it is also busted. Since used hardware is sold "as is" and seller has 0 obligation to return the money, if the bought component is also dead.


Another thing is if you even have the know-how to replace the MoBo. Have you ever took PC apart and/or assembled one on your own? Since MoBo replacement is one tedious thing to do. Not to mention that you have to make a new, clean Win installation as well.


You can go with new hardware just shy of 400 bucks, like so:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i3-13100 3.4 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B760M-P DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM650x (2021) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $384.96

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-24 13:54 EDT-0400

CPU has iGPU in it, where you can connect monitor to your MoBo and see the image. CPU cooler is included with CPU. MoBo is micro-ATX, same as your old H61 chipset MoBo. RAM is enough at today's standards (and no, you can not reuse your DDR3 RAM). And to end the package, threw in good quality 650W PSU. Just in case you have dedicated GPU in there, which survived somehow.
The rest of the components your PC has: PC case, SSD/HDD, case fans, you can reuse and don't have to buy new. But you still need to format your C:/ drive and make a clean Win installation.
 
Aeacus said:
Well, unless you're happy that you don't see any image on screen, sure, you can keep yours.

There are used H61 MoBos out there, that you can buy, to replace the one you blew. But the question here is; is only MoBo dead, or are CPU, RAM and GPU dead too? Since those 4 are needed for PC to display the image.

H61 chipset doesn't support CPU OC and the fact that your old MSI MoBo BIOS even has OC Genie is strange. You could've very well shot your CPU.

Here, you need 2nd, compatible PC, to test out each component individually, to see which of them survived and which didn't. Up for testing would be CPU, RAM, MoBo and dedicated GPU (if you have it in your system). Also, what PSU you have? Since poor/old PSU can kill everything it is connected to just as fine as well.

All-in-all, trying to find out which of the component died, is a lot of work and effort, IF you even have 2nd compatible system where to test it all out. Sure, you can go by trial-and-error method, buying new components and replacing old ones, until you get the life back to PC. But CPU-MoBo-RAM = new PC. Also, who is there to tell, that the used components you're buying on 2nd hand market even work? Might as well spend money on 2nd, used MoBo, to find out that it is also busted. Since used hardware is sold "as is" and seller has 0 obligation to return the money, if the bought component is also dead.


Another thing is if you even have the know-how to replace the MoBo. Have you ever took PC apart and/or assembled one on your own? Since MoBo replacement is one tedious thing to do. Not to mention that you have to make a new, clean Win installation as well.


You can go with new hardware just shy of 400 bucks, like so:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i3-13100 3.4 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B760M-P DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM650x (2021) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $384.96

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-24 13:54 EDT-0400

CPU has iGPU in it, where you can connect monitor to your MoBo and see the image. CPU cooler is included with CPU. MoBo is micro-ATX, same as your old H61 chipset MoBo. RAM is enough at today's standards (and no, you can not reuse your DDR3 RAM). And to end the package, threw in good quality 650W PSU. Just in case you have dedicated GPU in there, which survived somehow.
The rest of the components your PC has: PC case, SSD/HDD, case fans, you can reuse and don't have to buy new. But you still need to format your C:/ drive and make a clean Win installation.
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All of the components are fine, instead of the motherboard
 
scrane5757 said:
I hate oc genie, found manual works much better as oc genie messed my system up when it was new, had to reflash bios to get it back.
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MSI OC Genie, AsRock OC Tuner, Asus AI Overclocking, Gigabyte EasyTune etc, are all lazy man's OC options.

With essentially 1 click (hence why "lazy man's OC"), they put some level of OC on CPU (or whole system), while going way too high with voltages, among other things. Moreover, while it may give a bit better performance, those "profiles" won't tell what changes they do within BIOS. This can result in all kinds of stability issues. Even hardware failure (like OP of this topic).

All-in-all, if one wants to OC their CPU, better do it manually from BIOS. Or not do anything at all. This "convenient" 1 button/click OC is bad for hardware. Always has been.
 
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MSI OC Genie, AsRock OC Tuner, Asus AI Overclocking, Gigabyte EasyTune etc, are sales gimmicks. It's essentially the same as putting 120 octane race fuel in a normal motor. Yes it'll have initial, sometimes noticeable improvements, but the underlying equipment is simply not going to like it for long, added heat, voltages, stress on the pc will wear it out or burn it up with any long term use. You go from a cpu that'll last 40+ years to one that will be lucky to last 2 years.

Or as seen, a motherboard that lasts 2 minutes. The H61 chipset was never designed, built or intended to be overclocked, either by hardware or software manipulation.
 
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MSI boards are a PIA. Mine I can't even get to the BIOS 99% of the time without some legwork. Ive gotten numerous no signal after the most minute bios changes on MSI.

Take out all but one stick of RAM and you should get a video signal. It tricks the MB into thinking there was a hardware change and forces safe defaults.
 
MSI MoBos, up to Intel 90-series chipset, may need PS/2 KB to enter BIOS.

At least this is true with my MSI Z97 Gaming 5 MoBo. I can't use USB KB to enter or navigate in BIOS. It just doesn't work (did try 2 completely different USB KBs). But PS/2 KB works like a charm.
With one gen newer MSI MoBo: MSI Z170A Gaming M5, i can enter and navigate the BIOS with USB KB without issues.
 
lolvatveo said:
Have you tried shortening the cmos pin? Modern boards will not reset the bios if you just remove the cmos battery
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Cmos is in the bios chip, which has 2 sides to it. One side contains hard coded factory defaults, so is essentially permanent unless specifically written over by a bios update. The other side is memory of any user settings, changes to bios etc, same as ram. That memory requires voltage to keep it alive. Shorting the cmos pins or removal of the battery for any real length of time, to the point where the system capacitors are drained, means that that memory gets wiped out, it's blank, so a reset or restart will both require a cold start of the bios using factory defaults.

That happens on Every motherboard, it's not an instant thing, never has been, a quick battery removal is no guarantee since there is residual power in the board, same applies to shorting the pins although that generally requires only a couple of seconds, battery removal can take 30seconds to 5 minutes or more.
 
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