[SOLVED] My $1000 PC won't stream 720p 30fps

[masonwebs326]

My AMD PC build-

Ryzen 7 1700x (8cores/16threads)
RX 560 4gn of vram
16gb of ram clocked at 2666mhz
250gb SSD m.2
Blah blah the rest isn't important.

Id say my PC should 100% be able to stream 1080p 30 fps no problem, but for some reason obs makes my stream lag. I am stuck in a line of "use streamlabs" try "xsplit" and I get the same results, the best result I get for streaming is the AMD Radeon ReLive which allows me to stream 1080p 60fps with no lag gaming or even streaming, I don't like ReLive because of the customization flaws but I don't get why there's a difference between streaming with obs and streaming with Relive, Help is appreciated I'll try to respond with in an hour! Thx

 

[Darkbreeze]

What version, and what BUILD version, of Windows are you running. I'd suggest that if you are running a version of Windows older than the recent 1809, that you do a clean install to that version. This definitely sounds like a software, not a hardware problem.

If you have done several spring and fall windows updates, or are on version 1803 or older, it would be very advisable.

Windows 10 Clean install tutorial

Afterwards, download the latest versions of your audio, chipset, storage controller and network adapter drivers from your motherboard product page. Then download the latest versions of any software or applications you are trying to run. Between the fall update in 2017 until this latest windows version that was released and then removed, then delayed and is now finally out, there were some pretty significant bugs and driver issues that seem now to be resolved mostly.

It doesn't help, although the fact that you can do things at a bit higher level in ReLive somewhat complicates things, that you have a fairly low end graphics card all things considered. GPU acceleration is definitely not going to be as helpful there as it might otherwise be.

Probably it also wouldn't hurt to do a clean install of your AMD drivers using the DDU if you have not previously done so.

*Graphics card CLEAN install tutorial using the DDU*

 

[LordVile]

What streaming method are you using? Hardware or software on the CPU or GPU? 90% certain Hardware unboxed (YT) did a massive video on streaming CPUs and best settings.

 

[bj99signal]

Are you sure you have enough bandwidth? 1080p requires quite a bit. Connect to a speed test web site and check. You could also have codec problems. Try reinstalling your codec software. Also open task manager and look at resources while you are streaming. Click the performance tab. Try resource monitor for detailed info on resource usage

 

[Darkbreeze]

If it works fine using ReLive, then it's not a bandwith problem OR a hardware problem. It is software OR configuration. If it was bandwith or hardware, he would have the exact same problem in ALL streaming applications, not just specific ones.

 

[TerryLaze]

If it works fine using ReLive, then it's not a bandwith problem OR a hardware problem. It is software OR configuration. If it was bandwith or hardware, he would have the exact same problem in ALL streaming applications, not just specific ones.

Relive uses the GPU to do the stream instead of using the CPU so there is definitely a chance that he runs games that are too demanding on the CPU not leaving enough left over to do the stream.
@mason you can also try OBS with AMD VCE support
https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/obs-branch-with-amd-vce-support.13996/

 

[Peter Martin]

You paid 1000 for that setup? Your GPU is not up to the task. You probably should have a 2700x and a gtx 1060 6gb

 

[Darkbreeze]

Man, you guys are getting spoiled and jaded. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the 1700x and it SURE as HELL isn't any kind of a bottleneck when it comes to heavy multitasking like gaming and streaming simultaneously. A few months ago it WAS the EXACT processor being recommended to anybody who was looking for streaming hardware, so let's be realistic shall we. It is NOT the cause of problems while streaming. That idea is patently ridiculous.

@Peter Martin, yes, that setup is easily worth 1000 dollars, at least, it probably was at the time he bought it. Consider that before the 2xxx series Ryzen processors and Coffee lake refresh CPUs came out those Ryzen 17xx processors were a lot more expensive AND if he bought it a while back there probably WASN'T a 2700x, OR, the 1700x was a lot cheaper.

Also keep in mind that up until a few months back graphics cards were running twice their normal price, so it's easy for you to sit there and say blah blah blah, when you have hardware amnesia and are already again used to these markedly lower hardware prices we're seeing across the board. Nowhere in his post do I see anything indicating that he may have bought this recently and even if he did, what does that matter.

He didn't come here to ask for advice on how well he did with his purchasing power, he came to ask for help with a problem, so let's stick to that shall we?

 

[LordVile]

Hey I just said he might be running unoptimal settings.

 

[TerryLaze]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the 1700x and it SURE as HELL isn't any kind of a bottleneck when it comes to heavy multitasking like gaming and streaming simultaneously.

There are games that use at least 6/12 cores fully,like assassins creed or far cry and it's going to be a hard sell to believe that the remaining 2/4 cores would be enough for 1080/60 streaming,assuming that he isn't running some game that uses even more threads or that these games don't use more threads if they are available.

sauce:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucJqHUpc2RU

 

[Darkbreeze]

Well, I can assure you that 99% of gamers out there are not running threadripper CPUs just so they can gain extra cores for streaming, at 1080p or any other resolution. Not sure what you'd want to see in a machine that's already running an 8/16 processor. A year ago that was one of the best CPUs for streaming that you could get. It's still in the upper 10%.

I can game and stream at 1080p perfectly fine with my overclocked 6700k that has half the cores and threads his has, so.......

And as I always tell everybody, don't show me Youtube crap. Half of it is fake BS and the rest is either halfway fake BS or might as well be since there are too many variables involved to generally make assumptions based on the comparison of their system and your own.

 

[TerryLaze]

It doesn't matter how good a system is for streaming,from the moment that (some) games can use all threads and streaming can use all threads you will have to fiddle with the settings to keep them from stepping on each other's toes.
You will have to make sure that the game runs slow enough so you have enough CPU for the streaming or you have to set the streaming software to high priority which will do the same thing,it will take CPU resources away from the game to keep the stream smooth.

But the best solution,if you have the bandwidth needed,is to use a GPU for streaming.

 

[Darkbreeze]

But the best solution,if you have the bandwidth needed,is to use a GPU for streaming.

Which makes it unusual that his ReLive streaming is so much better considering that he doesn't have a particularly high end card, as I said earlier.

And, I still don't agree with you fully, because there are very few games out there right now using 8 cores, much less 16 threads. His CPU should be plenty, especially if he's not running relatively low settings on his eye candy and overwhelming the CPU.

Plenty of folks out there with configurations similar to his not having this issue.

 

[TerryLaze]

But the best solution,if you have the bandwidth needed,is to use a GPU for streaming.

Which makes it unusual that his ReLive streaming is so much better considering that he doesn't have a particularly high end card, as I said earlier.

I was referring to the internet upload bandwidth,as long as a card can transcode it doesn't matter how weak it is otherwise,GPUs just need at bit higher bitrate for the same quality.

Yes there are very few games,but they are there.

 

[Peter Martin]

Gpu isn’t up to the task apparently as i stated before. And cpu could be an issue sometimes as stated by others as well.

Relive is made for AMD cards so that is why it probably works better For the OP.

I would not recommend a 560 For anything like that, or i wpuld use the amd software to do it. The 560 perf is just not up there. I find it hard to believe relive actually works better.

So if it does, then as darkbreeze pointed out, it must be a config problem with obs

 

[Peter Martin]

Ok. I looked around at the op problem. This person was complaining about similar thing and solved it. Most likely a setting in OBS

https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/everything-is-fine-but-my-preview-stream-is-laggy.61496/

 

[Darkbreeze]

Like I said, a configuration problem, or software.