My Computer Won't Boot with Any Boot Devices

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I have a very old desktop that I would like to recover. I burned Windows XP into a CD and put it in the desktop's DVD player, but then when booting up, it won't spin and read data to the computer. It also does not boot up with the HDD. Is there something wrong with one of the components? All of the wires seem connected. It's definitely not the motherboard since it CAN enter BIOS (BIOS works). And the CPU and RAM's data are collected by the motherboard in BIOS so I guess those components also work. Is there a way to recover my old PC? I really want it back on...

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFri8aj48qY"][/video]
 
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Don't concentrate too much on the type of HDD according to BIOS screens. As I said, in mobos of that time it was common to mis-label actual SATA drives as just another IDE drive. One big clue there is that there are virtually NO mobos with more than two IDE ports (often called Primary and Secondary, or IDE0 and IDE1), and each can have a Master and possibly a Slave device. So it your BIOS tells you about IDE drives on Ports 2, 3, 4, 5, etc., they are not - they are VERY likely SATA units. Another clue - those higher-numbered "IDE" ports have only Master units attached, and no Slaves, because a SATA port can have ONLY ONE drive attached.

The SMART system generally is something built into a HDD unit and it operates there. All the BIOS...
Well, clearly it is not finding a bootable device to work from. You have said the optical drive appears not to work, so no surprise that fails as a boot device. Why it does not work is not clear. It could be dirt inside making it unable to read. But you suggest it simply does not even turn.That suggests it may not be getting power, or it may not be getting control signals from its data cable, or its motor may be burned out or seized. Early in the boot process, the "normal" thing would be that the light on the front of the optical drive blinks when the boot process checks it and the motor may turn, then it may blink again as the mobo tries to read it to boot from. Does it do any of that?

I assume from the age of this unit that the optical and HDD units MIGHT be of the older IDE type, rather than SATA. If so, the connection to those drives will be a 4-pin Molex female (4 holes in a straight line in a connector about 3/4" wide) from the PSU, and the data cable from the mobo will be a ribbon about 2" wide with 80 wires in it. If that's not so - if these devices really are SATA connected - then ignore this section. But if they are IDE, review the connections and jumper settings carefully as follows:
1. Each IDE header on the mobo can support up to two devices sharing the port and data ribbon
cable, and there's a system for distinguishing them by setting them to Master and Slave roles. EACH such port (you might have one or two) has its own Master (and possibly Slave) device. The ribbon cable typically has three connectors on it. A Blue one on one end plugs into the mobo IDE port. NOTE the label on that port of the mobo - typically IDE0 and IDE1 - for use later. The BLACK connector on the other end must plug into the port's MASTER device - set by jumpers next step. The GREY connector in the cable middle must go to the port's SLAVE device if there is one.
2. The Master and Slave roles for EACH port's devices are set by adjusting jumpers on a set of 4 pin pairs on the back edge of the unit. EACH port MUST have a Master device; IF there is a second device, it MUST be the Slave. So for each such port, ensure that the device on the END of the ribbon cable has its jumper set to make it the port Master. There is no universal way to set those, so USE the diagram that is ON that particular device. Set it to Master (or sometimes a separate setting for Master with No Slave, versus Master with Slave Present). Now check the second device's jumpers on that ribbon if there is one. It MUST be set to Slave.
3. Now is also a good time to do another small preventive measure. With age, metal contacts can acquire a thin oxide film that acts as an insulator and prevents good electrical contact. So, for each connector at each storage device, and at the end of the data ribbon where it plugs into a mobo port, carefully unplug it, then plug back in again. Do this several times for each connector. When done, review them all to be sure they are re-connected properly and you did not knock one (or something else nearby) loose. This action can "scrub" the connector pins and sockets clean to improve contact. By the way, this item applies also to any SATA storage devices you may have.

So, that will address the possibility of bad connections and incorrect device identification that might interfere with control signals and power. Now let's look inside the BIOS Setup screens.

First off, you may have a dead mobo battery. If that is the case, the system will have lost all of its custom settings (if any). You can check the battery if you suspect that, but it may be OK. What you can do, though, is go to the last screens of Setup where you can find the options to Load Default Settings or to Load Optimum Settings. Do this to ensure that a complete and stable basic set of parameters in in use. NOTE that doing this will over-write any old custom settings you had. So, if you think you need to use those old settings, do one of two things, One, simply, is skip this reset process. The other is to FIRST survey the existing settings and record any you want to restore BEFORE doing this reset process.

Next, SAVE and EXIT from there, and the machine will reboot. Go back into BIOS Setup immediately and set the items you know may need customization. Very likely you will need to set up the Boot Priority Sequence. But first, at the opening screens, survey whether the various storage devices have been detected automatically - your optical drive and any HDD's. Any that do NOT appear there are not working and cannot be used until you fix that. Here you can note which IDE ports the devices are connected to. They will show up (IF they are IDE) on either the Primary or Secondary IDE Port (maybe IDE0 and IDE1) as either the Mater or Slave for each port. NOTE that,on some mobos of this era with actual SATA drives and ports, the labels used in BIOS Setup called them IDE ports even though they were really SATA, but they were odd because these mis-labeled "IDE ports" each had only a Master and no Slave possible because SATA ports can only support one device. Now look for where you set the Boot Priority. I set mine to use the optical drive first, and then the HDD that should have the OS on it. In that configuration it will boot from a bootable disk in the optical drive IF the drive is working and IF the disk is bootable. Otherwise it will just skip to the next listed device - the HDD - and try that.

Ignore this item if your HDD's are IDE devices. While in BIOS Setup, IF your HDD units are SATA, look for a place where you set how to use them - in SATA or AHCI Mode, or in IDE Emulation Mode. These options were common at the age of your machine. They address the fact that Win XP did not know how to use AHCI devices unless they had a device driver for them installed. There was a good way to do that in those days, but many did not do it, and used instead the work-around provided in BIOS - force the mobo to limit the SATA devices to behaving only like IDE devices that Windows could handle. So you MAY want to set it that way to see if it can read that HDD and boot from it that way. If not, try again with the option set to AHCI or Native SATA Mode.

After making changes in BIOS Setup, remember to SAVE and EXIT to save them and reboot.

With these things done, IF the optical drive works you may be able to boot from it, and IF the CD you burned really is a bootable Win XP Install disc. If not, you MAY be able to access the HDD and boot from there. But if this still does not change the performance shown in your video, then either the storage devices are not working, or the data on them is not usable. You could remove the HDD, install it temporarily in another machine, and try to run diagnostics on it to determine whether it can work.

Let us know what you find.
 


My DVD RW Drive did blink at startup, but didn't blink when it was set as boot device.
Apparently when I checked my BIOS, it seems like it detects my HDD (which is SATA) as an IDE device.
When I stumble across this SMART self-check option, it showed an error and a message that the self-check failed and probably says that the read failed?

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btEA-URdv-o"][/video]
 
Don't concentrate too much on the type of HDD according to BIOS screens. As I said, in mobos of that time it was common to mis-label actual SATA drives as just another IDE drive. One big clue there is that there are virtually NO mobos with more than two IDE ports (often called Primary and Secondary, or IDE0 and IDE1), and each can have a Master and possibly a Slave device. So it your BIOS tells you about IDE drives on Ports 2, 3, 4, 5, etc., they are not - they are VERY likely SATA units. Another clue - those higher-numbered "IDE" ports have only Master units attached, and no Slaves, because a SATA port can have ONLY ONE drive attached.

The SMART system generally is something built into a HDD unit and it operates there. All the BIOS, system does is communicate with the systems on the HDD to deliver the SMART messages being sent out of the HDD. So, if you get that message, the HDD's electronics are working, but it was unable to read any data from the disk. This is very bad news for the HDD - it is unlikely you can repair that sort of failure.
 
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