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Ha! That's great!

--
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.com


"Oskar Wagner" <rengaw@swissonline.ch> wrote in message news:d12p5c$aou$1@news.hispeed.ch...
> "boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:Mk5Zd.13495$U_4.1754@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>> Dallas wrote:
>>
>>> "Huw Roberts"
>>>
>>>>Haha! I would have, but that was such a spectacularly stupid mistake to
>>>>make that I fully deserve to look like an idiot. 😉
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps not even close to the funniest blunder this year... one of our
>>> regulars couldn't figure out why when he set himself up at a specific
>>> airport his aircraft was in the middle of the ocean and it sank every
>>> time.
>>>
>>> (It was a seaplane base 🙂
>>>
>>>
>>> Dallas
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is that the one that sparked this?
>>
>> http://flightsims.vze.com/caravan
>>
>> --
>>
>> boB
>>
>> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
>> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
>
> One of my recent Flight1 C421 (btw a wonderful plane...) homebound
> flights.....
> http://owagner.photosite.com/FSpictures/ (select slideshow)
> --
> Oskar
> (retired captain)
> Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...
>
>
 
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Dallas wrote:

> "Oskar Wagner"
>
>>One of my recent Flight1 C421 (btw a wonderful plane...) homebound
>>flights.....
>>http://owagner.photosite.com/FSpictures/ (select slideshow)
>
>
>
> Whoa! Oskar... he shoots... he scores!
>
> boB better watch out, you've got competition!
>
> Dallas
>
>

That was great.... I hafta figure that one out. :)

--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
 
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"Oskar Wagner" <rengaw@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
news:d12p5c$aou$1@news.hispeed.ch...
<snip>
> One of my recent Flight1 C421 (btw a wonderful plane...) homebound
> flights.....
> http://owagner.photosite.com/FSpictures/ (select slideshow)
> --
> Oskar
> (retired captain)
> Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...

Oskar, wasn't that INCREDIBLY difficult to do? I mean, wwewn't the ILS
indications reversed when you did that? It would certainly confuse ME! <G>

--
Earl Needham
Clovis, New Mexico USA
 
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"Oskar Wagner" <rengaw@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
news:d12c5v$3rm$1@news.hispeed.ch...
<snip>
> Ohh, and you can get fuel by the US Gallon or by litres, but you will use
it
> in kgs or lbs on your A/C ;-)
> btw the latter for very practical reasons. The amount of energy carried
with
> the fuel load corresponds to the MASS of the fuel and not to the VOLUME.

Do I remember correctly an incident some years ago where the aircrew
asked for x number of GALLONS and the ground crew gave them x number of
POUNDS instead, and the plane ran out of fuel and crashed?

--
Earl Needham
Clovis, New Mexico USA
 
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:25:30 +0100, "Oskar Wagner"
<rengaw@swissonline.ch> brought the following to our attention:

>"boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>
>> Dallas wrote:
>>
>>> "Huw Roberts"
>>>
>>>>Haha! I would have, but that was such a spectacularly stupid mistake
>>>>to make that I fully deserve to look like an idiot. 😉
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps not even close to the funniest blunder this year... one of our
>>> regulars couldn't figure out why when he set himself up at a specific
>>> airport his aircraft was in the middle of the ocean and it sank every
>>> time.
>>>
>>> (It was a seaplane base 🙂
>>>
>>>
>>> Dallas
>>
>> Is that the one that sparked this?
>>
>> http://flightsims.vze.com/caravan
>>
>
>One of my recent Flight1 C421 (btw a wonderful plane...) homebound
>flights... http://owagner.photosite.com/FSpictures/ (select slideshow)


wouldn't fly like that and cuss as much if CoPilot Tweetie was along!!

http://home.comcast.net/~flightsim/tweetie.jpg :)
 
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 02:04:05 +0100, "Oskar Wagner"
<rengaw@swissonline.ch> wrote:

>It's quite common in aviation.... ;-)

Hi Oskar

I get more a little annoyed when the Discovery Channel (it usually is)
starts mixing metric, imperial and US measurements all in the same
sentence.

James
 
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"Earl Needham" <munged@3lefties.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:113b4p6dgf0bff@corp.supernews.com...
> "Oskar Wagner" <rengaw@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
> news:d12c5v$3rm$1@news.hispeed.ch...
> <snip>
>> Ohh, and you can get fuel by the US Gallon or by litres, but you will use
> it
>> in kgs or lbs on your A/C ;-)
>> btw the latter for very practical reasons. The amount of energy carried
> with
>> the fuel load corresponds to the MASS of the fuel and not to the VOLUME.
>
> Do I remember correctly an incident some years ago where the aircrew
> asked for x number of GALLONS and the ground crew gave them x number of
> POUNDS instead, and the plane ran out of fuel and crashed?
>
> --
> Earl Needham
> Clovis, New Mexico USA
>
>
Well, it didn't crash but made a successful "deadstick" landing with only
minor damage to the A/C (nose gear collapsed). It's nowadays best know as
the "Gimli Glider". A Google search should reveal some details.
--
Oskar
(retired captain)
Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...
 
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"Oskar Wagner" <rengaw@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
news:d14663$6v2$1@news.hispeed.ch...
> "Earl Needham" <munged@3lefties.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:113b4p6dgf0bff@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Oskar Wagner" <rengaw@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
> > news:d12c5v$3rm$1@news.hispeed.ch...
> > <snip>
> > Do I remember correctly an incident some years ago where the aircrew
> > asked for x number of GALLONS and the ground crew gave them x number of
> > POUNDS instead, and the plane ran out of fuel and crashed?
> >
> Well, it didn't crash but made a successful "deadstick" landing with only
> minor damage to the A/C (nose gear collapsed). It's nowadays best know as
> the "Gimli Glider". A Google search should reveal some details.

Oh, was that the one that landed at Gimli? I was thinking of a
Brazilian airliner that crashed just outside NYC.

--
Earl Needham
Clovis, New Mexico USA
 
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Earl Needham wrote:
> "Oskar Wagner" <rengaw@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
> news:d12p5c$aou$1@news.hispeed.ch...
> <snip>
>
>>One of my recent Flight1 C421 (btw a wonderful plane...) homebound
>>flights.....
>>http://owagner.photosite.com/FSpictures/ (select slideshow)
>>--
>>Oskar
>>(retired captain)
>>Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...
>
>
> Oskar, wasn't that INCREDIBLY difficult to do? I mean, wwewn't the ILS
> indications reversed when you did that? It would certainly confuse ME! <G>
>

Not to mention the HSI, which I certainly would have noticed. Methinks
Captain Oskar was simply being silly. 😀

Huw
 
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:43:57 +0100, Oskar Wagner wrote:

> Well, kinda yes and no ;-) In RL you will have to cope with different units
> of measurements but only as long as non-aircraft based systems are
> concerned. The DME will always indicate the distance in the unit it is
> designed for as it is basically a airborne based runtime measurement. So in
> a russian A/C (old style, like CS MiG 21) the distance will be indicated in
> kms, even if it's flying in our airspace whereas our DME's will indicate NM
> even in Russia.
> Now for the heavier parts: atmospheric pressure (QNH, GFE) can be indicated
> in in.Hg. (USA, Canada) or Hectopascal (Europe, Asia, dunno about other
> countries e.g. Australia) or even mm Hg. (GUS countries). However in the GUS
> countries also Hectopascal is available on the ATIS and on ATC.
> Visibility is indicated in kms in Europe and GUS countries, in Nautical
> Miles in USA and Canada, RVR is indicated in metres or feet. Cloud ceilings
> can be indicated in metres AGL (GUS states and China) or feet AGL (all the
> rest). Flight Levels are usually in feet, however part of GUS countries and
> China use metric Flight Levels.
> Depature and approach procedures can be based on feet QFE (AGL), feet QNH
> (MSL) or even metres QFE (AGL). (to be continued... ;-)) )
> Ohh, and you can get fuel by the US Gallon or by litres, but you will use it
> in kgs or lbs on your A/C ;-)
> btw the latter for very practical reasons. The amount of energy carried with
> the fuel load corresponds to the MASS of the fuel and not to the VOLUME.
> As you might see now it can become quite tricky to fly from one country to
> another. But finally it's all a matter of gathering information and
> preparation. If you're well prepared you won't be surprised.......
> This list is by far not exhaustive but it might at least give you an idea
> what you have to cope with if you're flying from Asia via Europe to the US
> (or v.v.)......I really loved that ;-))

I've printed that out for future use. Thanks, Oskar.

I feel like an idiot, but what are GUS states and GUS countries?

--

Marcel
(If you want to grow old as a pilot, you've got to know when to
push it, and when to back off. - Chuck Yeager)
 
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"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:13yo1w7o1onls$.1htybbsuc1h06$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:43:57 +0100, Oskar Wagner wrote:
>
>> Well, kinda yes and no ;-) In RL you will have to cope with different
>> units
>> of measurements but only as long as non-aircraft based systems are
>> concerned. The DME will always indicate the distance in the unit it is
>> designed for as it is basically a airborne based runtime measurement. So
>> in
>> a russian A/C (old style, like CS MiG 21) the distance will be indicated
>> in
>> kms, even if it's flying in our airspace whereas our DME's will indicate
>> NM
>> even in Russia.
>> Now for the heavier parts: atmospheric pressure (QNH, GFE) can be
>> indicated
>> in in.Hg. (USA, Canada) or Hectopascal (Europe, Asia, dunno about other
>> countries e.g. Australia) or even mm Hg. (GUS countries). However in the
>> GUS
>> countries also Hectopascal is available on the ATIS and on ATC.
>> Visibility is indicated in kms in Europe and GUS countries, in Nautical
>> Miles in USA and Canada, RVR is indicated in metres or feet. Cloud
>> ceilings
>> can be indicated in metres AGL (GUS states and China) or feet AGL (all
>> the
>> rest). Flight Levels are usually in feet, however part of GUS countries
>> and
>> China use metric Flight Levels.
>> Depature and approach procedures can be based on feet QFE (AGL), feet QNH
>> (MSL) or even metres QFE (AGL). (to be continued... ;-)) )
>> Ohh, and you can get fuel by the US Gallon or by litres, but you will use
>> it
>> in kgs or lbs on your A/C ;-)
>> btw the latter for very practical reasons. The amount of energy carried
>> with
>> the fuel load corresponds to the MASS of the fuel and not to the VOLUME.
>> As you might see now it can become quite tricky to fly from one country
>> to
>> another. But finally it's all a matter of gathering information and
>> preparation. If you're well prepared you won't be surprised.......
>> This list is by far not exhaustive but it might at least give you an idea
>> what you have to cope with if you're flying from Asia via Europe to the
>> US
>> (or v.v.)......I really loved that ;-))
>
> I've printed that out for future use. Thanks, Oskar.
>
> I feel like an idiot, but what are GUS states and GUS countries?
>
> --
>
> Marcel
> (If you want to grow old as a pilot, you've got to know when to
> push it, and when to back off. - Chuck Yeager)

Sorry for that. GUS is the german abbreviation for the former soviet states
(Gemeinschaft Unabhängiger Staaten) which are today 12 more or less
independend countries (Armenia, Aserbaidschan, Belarus, Georgia, Kasachstan,
Kirgisistan, Moldavia, Russia, Tadschikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine and
Usbekistan). I'm sure there's an equivalent abbreviation in english... ;-)
--
Oskar
(retired captain)
Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...
 
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"Earl Needham" wrote:

> I was thinking of a Brazilian airliner that crashed just outside NYC.

I think you might be talking about an Avianca B707.

From www.airdisaster.com:

"The aircraft crashed while in a holding pattern awaiting landing at
New York's Kennedy Airport. After an unsuccessful approach in bad
weather, the crew executed a missed approach and was put into holding.
The First Officer declared 'minimum fuel' to ATC but never declared an
emergency, which would have given the aircraft immediate clearance to
land. Crew error."


Marcel
 
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On 15 Mar 2005 03:32:45 -0800, zoepetier@hotmail.com (Zoepetier)
wrote:

>"The aircraft crashed while in a holding pattern awaiting landing at
>New York's Kennedy Airport. After an unsuccessful approach in bad
>weather, the crew executed a missed approach and was put into holding.
>The First Officer declared 'minimum fuel' to ATC but never declared an
>emergency, which would have given the aircraft immediate clearance to
>land. Crew error."
>

Hi Marcel et al

FWIW, there's a programme on telly at 21:00 GMT tonight (Tues,
15/03/05) on the National Geographic Channel about this very accident.
It'll be repeated at 22:00 on the Nat Geo+1 channel.

James
 
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:08:06 GMT, James Hodson wrote:

> On 15 Mar 2005 03:32:45 -0800, zoepetier@hotmail.com (Zoepetier)
> wrote:
>
>>"The aircraft crashed while in a holding pattern awaiting landing at
>>New York's Kennedy Airport. After an unsuccessful approach in bad
>>weather, the crew executed a missed approach and was put into holding.
>>The First Officer declared 'minimum fuel' to ATC but never declared an
>>emergency, which would have given the aircraft immediate clearance to
>>land. Crew error."
>>
>
> Hi Marcel et al
>
> FWIW, there's a programme on telly at 21:00 GMT tonight (Tues,
> 15/03/05) on the National Geographic Channel about this very accident.
> It'll be repeated at 22:00 on the Nat Geo+1 channel.

Not in Holland.
NGC usually does air crash investigations on Fridays and Sundays, but I'll
keep my eyes open this weekend. I remember seeing it at least once a few
years ago. That thing went down like a brick.

--

Marcel
(If you want to grow old as a pilot, you've got to know when to
push it, and when to back off. - Chuck Yeager)
 
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:06:56 +0100, Oskar Wagner wrote:

> Sorry for that. GUS is the german abbreviation for the former soviet states
> (Gemeinschaft Unabhängiger Staaten) which are today 12 more or less
> independend countries (Armenia, Aserbaidschan, Belarus, Georgia, Kasachstan,
> Kirgisistan, Moldavia, Russia, Tadschikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine and
> Usbekistan). I'm sure there's an equivalent abbreviation in english... ;-)

That makes sense. But I think it's still called former-USSR.
Russia is a European country, so it's more than logical that it uses
European measurements (I wish the UK would do the same since it's no longer
an island <g>).

--

Marcel
(I've got a baaad feeling about this.....)
 
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:25:30 +0100, Oskar Wagner wrote:

> One of my recent Flight1 C421 (btw a wonderful plane...) homebound
> flights.....
> http://owagner.photosite.com/FSpictures/ (select slideshow)

Oskar Oskar Oskar....instruments are everything. You know that. 🙂

--

Marcel
(When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the
earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been,
and there you will always long to return. - Leonardo da Vinci)
 
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:00:48 +0100, Marcel Kuijper
<zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> FWIW, there's a programme on telly at 21:00 GMT tonight (Tues,
>> 15/03/05) on the National Geographic Channel about this very accident.
>> It'll be repeated at 22:00 on the Nat Geo+1 channel.
>
>Not in Holland.
>NGC usually does air crash investigations on Fridays and Sundays, but I'll
>keep my eyes open this weekend. I remember seeing it at least once a few
>years ago. That thing went down like a brick.

Hi Marcel

I've looked back to previous weeks and the Tuesday Air Crash
Investigations programmes are indeed repeated on Saturday. The Tues
prog is shown again at 16:00 GMT and 17:00 (Nat Geo Chan +1). I cannot
see any evidence of a Friday repeat.

James
 
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:37:27 GMT, James Hodson
<jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:

>I've looked back to previous weeks and the Tuesday Air Crash
>Investigations programmes are indeed repeated on Saturday. The Tues
>prog is shown again at 16:00 GMT and 17:00 (Nat Geo Chan +1). I cannot
>see any evidence of a Friday repeat.

The programme has just finished. Like many in the Air Crash
Investigations series it spends too much time on the air crash but too
little on the actual investigation. Nevertheless, the prog is worth
watching.

Just IMO, of course.

James
 
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:37:27 GMT, James Hodson wrote:

> Marcel Kuijper wrote:
>>NGC usually does air crash investigations on Fridays and Sundays, but I'll
>>keep my eyes open this weekend. I remember seeing it at least once a few
>>years ago. That thing went down like a brick.


> I've looked back to previous weeks and the Tuesday Air Crash
> Investigations programmes are indeed repeated on Saturday. The Tues
> prog is shown again at 16:00 GMT and 17:00 (Nat Geo Chan +1). I cannot
> see any evidence of a Friday repeat.

Our NGC programming schedule is a little different.
Same programmes as everywhere else, but in a different order.
And of course plenty of Dutch commercials every 20 minutes or so.

--

Marcel
(If you want to grow old as a pilot, you've got to know when to
push it, and when to back off. - Chuck Yeager)
 
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