Need a Penryn Supported Motherboard

[sabenfox]

Hey all i'm ready to build my new rig, but i wanted to get a motherboard that will be able to support the penryn chipset.
I've been looking on newegg but i'm not sure exactly what boards i'm looking for

Would anyone be able to post a few links to some boards on newegg, or the names so i can look them up.

Thanks !

 

[Malaga93]

wait a few weeks and buy p35 chipset motherboard.

 

[sabenfox]

man that sucks, i've waited like 3 weeks already, there isn't anything out ?

i thought the p35 was already out, is that the only chipset that supports penryn

 

[sabenfox]

the budget is about 125 to 150, any more and i wont have enough for the other components (8800gts 320 and core2 4300)

I plan on overclocking it, and i plan on having it for at least 1 1/2 to 2 years.

my total budget is aobut $550.00 i wanted to get something that i could upgrade in the future, and not have to buy a whole new motherboard and cpu.

Thanks for the help, any more questions please let me know

EDIT : I have a ata (ide) hard drive right now, and already have a dvd rom and a case (425 or 450 watt) can't remember which. All i'm getting is motherboard, cpu, and video card

 

[deadhead_matt]

the budget is about 125 to 150, any more and i wont have enough for the other components (8800gts 320 and core2 4300)

I plan on overclocking it, and i plan on having it for at least 1 1/2 to 2 years.

my total budget is aobut $550.00 i wanted to get something that i could upgrade in the future, and not have to buy a whole new motherboard and cpu.

Thanks for the help, any more questions please let me know

EDIT : I have a ata (ide) hard drive right now, and already have a dvd rom and a case (425 or 450 watt) can't remember which. All i'm getting is motherboard, cpu, and video card

You will want to look to see if your power supply can support a 8800 card (amps that is)

 

[sabenfox]

on my power supply it says under 12v it says 18A

then under 5.5 it says 40amp, and under 3.3v it says 30A

 

[deadhead_matt]

on my power supply it says under 12v it says 18A

then under 5.5 it says 40amp, and under 3.3v it says 30A

A minimum recommended 550W system power supply (with 12V current rating of 26A).

this was from the cheapes 8800 320mb card off of the System Requirements off new negg

 

[apache_lives]

the budget is about 125 to 150, any more and i wont have enough for the other components (8800gts 320 and core2 4300)

I plan on overclocking it, and i plan on having it for at least 1 1/2 to 2 years.

my total budget is aobut $550.00 i wanted to get something that i could upgrade in the future, and not have to buy a whole new motherboard and cpu.

Thanks for the help, any more questions please let me know

EDIT : I have a ata (ide) hard drive right now, and already have a dvd rom and a case (425 or 450 watt) can't remember which. All i'm getting is motherboard, cpu, and video card

what brand is that psu?

 

[sabenfox]

ok awesome, thanks for the response. I have to go to bed righ tnow but i'll check on all the links tomorrow. Quick question though, with those links do any of them support the penryn chip ?

Thanks again !

 

[freelance]

Hmm, alrighty, this is what I would look into
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136034
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128012
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128044
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127022
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131153
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131045
and some nice p35 boards are on the way, check these out
http://www.insidehw.com/content/view/62/9/

But it's getting sooo close to k10's launch, I don't know if it's a good idea to go intel now without at least waiting to see what k10 can do, I think amd's quad will far outperform intel's, at stock speeds anyways, the question is how far will they oc

Don't forget memory though, you seem to have forgotten it

I am not that sure at all about the quality of mobos built on the 650i sli. Many of them, if not all, are reported to have some BIOS problems (abit-fp-in9 especially). I myself REALLY wanted a non-expensive mobo on 650i sli (in fact the abit), but now after I went through net and saw the number and kind of complaints I think I'll go for a P35 mobo.

And on a sufficient number of forums there is an opinion that 965P and 650/680 boards will NOT support Penryn. Loads of people say exactly that. I also had a look at Gigabyte site (in the country where I am now there are Gigabytes p35 on sale already) both at 965p-DS3 and new P35-DS4 and it clearly states that P35-DS4 supports the "upcoming 45nm platform", while on 965pds3 there is nothing about that at this time, so who knows - with this rather clear difference (P35 does support penryn and 965 no info about it) I' rather not risk if thinking to upgare to a Penryn processor.

So, it does seem that only the boards based on p35 support the upcoming Penryn (but not Corssfire btw). Later on the enthusiast chipset x38 will come out and will support Penryn as well and CF. I guess newegg will not wait long to start selling P35 as well, I would guess these very days.
P.S. the Ga-p35-DQ6 temps are reportedly lower than 965p - see here:Giga DQ6 & DS3 layout and temps

 

[freelance]

But it's mainly about the bios, and the north bridge being able to handle the fsb, I'm pretty sure p965 will be fine if you get the newer revision boards, but get a p35 if you want to be sure

I_Love_Tacos i think you are right on both counts that it "should" be only BIOS and that both 965p and 680i "should" support Penryn maybe after new revisions. I, for one, completely forgot about the "FSB1333" remarks on nVidia Mobos manufacturers that appeared later, after announcement about Penryn.

However, I am on the carefull side and can't say for sure that this is how it is going to be.

And, sabenfox, don't forget P35 has two PCIe16 ports, but only one of them works in x16 mode, while another in x4 only => no actual CF.

 

[freelance]

I went on the net since I was troubled by what I've heard and than wrote - that P35 doesn't support real CrossFire/CF - well, wanted to recheck once again, just to be sure, don't like imprecise statements especially twice in a row, uncharacteristic for my own liking.

As you've probably seen, in the case of Gigabyte, it states that P35-DS4 does support CF: see Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 specs

Now, since I was sure about this not-so-real CF I reminded myself - check how much of a crossfire one can get if one port runs at x16 and another x 4 PCIe? Finally found the info that is clearer about it - people from the Xtreview explain the difference in data transmition through DMI interface in P35 (as it was in 965P) and the 975x saying why P35 allegedly fails compared to 975x - see this link :INTEL P35 CROSSFIRE VS INTEL 975X

So, to be fair, CF is technically (but it may seem not that much "perfomingly") possible on p35 - so there is an actual CF and I wasn't 100% right . Now, on the other hand, I am asking myself - was I that wrong though about the "actual" or "real" CF with this alleged under-performance?!

Would be interesting to see some test charts (fps wise) based on P35 with CF vs say 680i with SLi (and maybe 650i-sli and 975x) that would clarify this.

Anyway those who don't need CF should not worry I guess. Errr, me including. I think I am going for a DS4 this week :mrgreen:

 

[Hathorian]

I think I am going to go with the P5K vanilla this week. Looks like a good value board considering I don't plan on going with CF or raid.

 

[deadhead_matt]

I would stay away from asus for vcore problems, the ds3/ds4 p35 boards would be the smarter choice imo

Hay taco

can you go into this more I have been looking at the P5k?

Thanks for you time

 

[Hathorian]

I've been reading that the P5K (at least in the Deluxe version) has a CPU Voltage Damper option in BIOS that helps with vcore problems a bit. Reduces droop by 50% or so.

"The two most important features we used during testing are the Transaction Booster option that on average improved unbuffered memory scores and latency by 4%~7% along with the CPU Voltage Damper setting that greatly reduced Vcore droop. We noticed under load testing with our QX6700 that average Vcore droop was around .04V and with CPU Voltage Damper enabled the average VCore droop hovered around .02V."

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2993&p=6

 

[Hathorian]

I've been reading that the P5K (at least in the Deluxe version) has a CPU Voltage Damper option in BIOS that helps with vcore problems a bit. Reduces droop by 50% or so.

"The two most important features we used during testing are the Transaction Booster option that on average improved unbuffered memory scores and latency by 4%~7% along with the CPU Voltage Damper setting that greatly reduced Vcore droop. We noticed under load testing with our QX6700 that average Vcore droop was around .04V and with CPU Voltage Damper enabled the average VCore droop hovered around .02V."

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2993&p=6

 

[deadhead_matt]

All i'm going to say is Taco Knows his $h1t

Just my 2 cents

 

[Eurasianman]

I_Love_Tacos, if it's anything like the Conroe CPUs were, I wouldn't put down any money on the nVidia 6x0 series or Intel's 965.

From what I've read on the net, Penryn will need updated VRMs. Last time I check, BIOS updates don't affect VRMs.

Also, is it Penryn or Yorksfield the desktop processor?!?!

Yesterday, Fishboi said Yorksfield is the desktop processor.

Which is it?!

To the OP, honestly, you're better off waiting a few more weeks. If you get all trigger happy, you'll literally shoot yourself in the foot.

Just my $.02

 

[Hathorian]

I'm not saying that Taco doesn't know what he is talking about, I am saying that there are reports that ASUS has made progress with their vcore problems in the P5K boards. Anandtech is reporting 50% less droop with the CPU Voltage Damper, and I read a post from someone that has the board that said they think there is about 75% less droop (can't remember if is was vs a previous P5 board or with the CPU voltage damper enabled).

I don't know anything about vcore droop or cpu voltage requirements, etc, so I'll leave it to other people to comment if this is significant or not or if there is still a problem. Do other mobos besides ASUS experience vcore droop? Is it more or less than the 0.02V reported by Anandtech?

 

[tamalero]

on my power supply it says under 12v it says 18A

then under 5.5 it says 40amp, and under 3.3v it says 30A

you not need the amps on the 5.5 and 3.v3
the 12V is the important thing
most cheap and bad quality psus move the power to r5.5 and 3.3 rails

Id say you will need a new PSU ..