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Hi Xthe

Got word from Xclio today. They don't have a distributor in Thailand yet. A bummer, but they did tell me I can get it from the Philippines. Hmmm, not bad, since the flight is only 2.5 hours away. I can buy it over there, and then pack it up good and then bring it back here. It should save me bundles of shipping money and also it will pass the weight requirements for checked in luggage. A trip to the philippines only costs 175 bucks or if I get the R/T 350 clear and done. They always have this flight on sale.

By the way Xclio is looking for someone to be a distributor here in Thailand. I expressed interest in the venture as I can make some money while here. What I have to do is make certain that I am the only distributor in Thailand, thereby cornering this country all to myself. As much as they sell computers over here, it should fly pretty good especially those wind tunnels. Thai people like the fancy stuff you know. Not the plain janes that are out there. One nice selling point is this place is like an oven 10 months out of the year, so this kind of cooling tower might appeal more so to these Thai people.

Also got word from Giga-byte. They have a distributor and I talked to one of the regional managers that happen to be here now in Thailand. He said he will get the arrangements done for me and get that mobo. He also has the rams, and also has the connection to Corsair as well. Nice to know.

I swear I must have a ghost inside this house. I was inside my bedroom doing something and next thing I hear a crash, and find my wall mounted fan on the floor. Ran to pick it up and shut it off. I looked at it, and the brackets all still there rock solid and nothing of the sort can make this fall. Anyway this startled my dogs over here and hence a huge big brawl took place. Thought I would have a heart attack you know. There is no way my dogs could reach it because it is almost 6 feet above the floor. Anyway right now it is a real mystery to me of this fan. Got to be a ghost here. Hmmmm, maybe time for me to give the GhostBusters a call huh????

I am in a house here in Thailand with a yard where the dogs can romp around. For some reason or another, every cockroach that comes inside all are dead within a day or two. No spider here, no ants inside, no geeko inside. Go figure. Nothing of insects live inside this house. Yet my dogs are fine and I am fine no problem. Everybody else has huge problems with the above and they cannot get rid of them. So going on 5 years here , I have not had any live past a day. Saw a roach yesterday, and today I see the same roach DEAD. Go figure.

Cats love to play games with my dogs here, but they don't realize what my dogs will do to them if they catch them. Well one evening I went to my refrigerator and wheeeeeeeee something went splat on my face went on top of my head and leaped and vanished someplace inside this house. I really almost had a heart attack and thought it was a cat. Sure enough well my boys here saw this cat and off they went. Trapped it and next thing the cat was being ripped apart. Grabbed my welding gloves, and grabbed the cat. It was already injured badly. Went outside and as I was about to toss it out to the street, well my boys got it again and really ripped into the cat. I finally got it and hurried and tossed it out of the place. Well the cat died about an hour later. These boys here are not cat lovers in the least. I don't like them either.

One of my dogs is the size of former Bears football player named the fridge. William Perry. Yea he is this big. Another is the size of a Abrams tank. That is my sweetheart named Tiger.

Anyway can you clear this question up for me.

What is the refresh rate I should be looking for since my eyes are not that good for a LCD. On my analog Dell 991 monitor here I have it set at 100 refresh rate which is comfortable for me. I am not seeing this option on the LCD or do they have that option available when I buy the LCD????

I roger on the RAMS issue so that is taken care of.

Hope all is well with you, and will await your reply.

Thanks

Daveyo
 
Hi Xthe URGENT

I just noticed and lucky I did spot something. I almost got the DDR2 Gigabyte motherboard. Here was the difference. GA-EP45-UD3P vs GA-EP45T-UD3P. The first one was the DDR2 memory and the second one is the DDR3 memory. Whew.

That was a close call. The letter T was the difference between the two of them. Did not notice it until now.

I am in contact with Giga-byte now. I know you mentioned MSI, so the big question is as follows:> Is the Gigabyte ATI Radeon card just as good or not.

If so, what 4850 card should I get from Gigabyte. Please give me a link to it so I can tell them as they have graphics cards as well. I am going to crossfire this item as well.

The manager is going to cut me a nice deal.


Would appreciate your response.

Daveyo
Hurry please and give me this information.
 
For the Graphics cards, it really doesn't matter where you buy it from, Gigabyte would be fine. Some other companies will give you a better warranty or maybe have a more reliable customer service, but Gigabyte's customer service is pretty good, and if you are going to get a good deal from them then you should get the GPU from them too. Get a HD 4850 1gb if you can afford two of them, if you cant then just get the 512mb version. Sometimes they might have factory overclocked cards, but if you are going to get two of them then I wouldn't bother with it, since you will have plenty of graphics power and overclocked cards will generate more heat. Look and see if he is willing to give you a good deal on the 4870 too...if he can give you a good deal then that might be worth looking into. I would try to get two of those if you can, 2x4870 512's would be great, 2x4870 1gb's would be even better. That would play any game you would throw at it without a sweat.

If you got the DDR2 board it wouldn't be a horrible thing...the difference in performance of DDR2 vs DDR3 isn't really that huge, but DDR3 is preferable.

As far as refresh rate goes, some monitors allow you to adjust this, others don't, so you will have to look at the specific monitors you want and see if they will allow you to do this. That is one of the reasons I suggest you go to a computer store and play around with the monitors they have. If you find one that works for your eyes then chances are it has a good enough refresh rate for you.

It's spring break here so I am about to leave for the beach, I will be able to get online tomorrow night probably. Good luck with Gigabyte.
 
Hi Xthe

Great and thanks for the info as given. Ok I will see what they have and what price they will offer from those cards. This is going to be really interesting.

As far as the PSU on the Corsair, if the price is not that much of a difference like say 20 bucks either way then I will go for the 850. If it is more than 30 difference then I will go for the 650. This sounds about right, as the 650 as you say will still handle my power needs.

I will report on the graphics development soon.

Enjoy the beach with the infamous beach bums carrying their fancy surf boards and the girls ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh every move you make. Sooner or later you will score your ten, and then get 20 back.

If you understand the meaning of what I just said that is great. If not, it is like this> Easy to score a girl to your side getting her attention, but twice as hard to capture the prize.

Hear ye all college brickhouse women, Xthe is heading to Ft. Lauderdale so find him there and pay attention to his exciting attributes. Worth every moment to your hearts content.

Now posted on all the college boards!!!!!

Have a nice trip Xthe

Daveyo
 
Oh god this thread is like a bloody book gone bad. Just buy this down below. It's cheap, and you don't have to mess with anything.

There it's done, and hopefully so is this thread. Get this and your out less than a grand. You will be modern, and up to date. If you need any slots to plug in like your wireless card this pc has plenty of them. Good luck and have fun with your new PC.

btw, welcome to 2009 :)

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Hmm, well granted some things were not business related but since you gave me an entire different configuration, I would rather let Xthe make any comments pertaining to that configuration.

Btw, the setup is about done, and I am simply following his instructions as he has guided me quite well.

As I have said in this thread previously, I am not about to buy from a dealer ever again for a puter because they basically locked me out from upgrading, and since one already did that to me courtesy of Dell I am not about to do it twice.

I appreciate your candor and will be business like from now on. Sound good

Thanks

Daveyo
 
If you get two 4850's then the 650tx will work fine, but the 650tx does not have enough power connectors for the two 4870's, so you would have to get the 750tx for that (since the 4870's require two 6 pin connectors, the 4850 only requires 1 6 pin connector).

Don't get that Prebuilt PC, It's not really that great of a deal IMO, and it uses cheap parts so wouldn't last you a long time like you want it to.
 
Hi Xthe, and to bmuell,

Ok then instead of messing around with the PSU, I will stick with the 850TX Corsair, in case I want to upgrade the graphic cards from 4850 to 4870. Glad that information was written, or I would have had to buy another PSU. My choice for the PSU is Corsair 850TX and it is now official.

Don't worry Xthe, Gateway and that other info became extinct. Not even getting close to that brand especially. I suspect is British. No further comment lest I end up joining their ...................................... >

Bmuell, thanks for the chuckle and that little laugh. Nice to dream of those great rates, but the only ones I know making that kind of pay is CEO's from well known companies and maybe certain fields as specific specialists. Other than that it is bare bone wages.

Got word from Xclio, no distributor in Thailand, only closest is Philippines. So I have to make a decision of how and when to get this tower to avoid huge costs.

Hopefully I can find the exact OEM's for the other parts here in Thailand.

Enjoy your trip Xthe, and will wait until your official return back.

I do appreciate you keeping my interests in mind, and looking out for me, and of my personal goals for the next 10 years regarding the computer.

Daveyo

 
Hi Xthe

Well, I did a hard look at all the suggestions so given and compared it to the Xclio.

First the 690 tower is only barely a half inch wider than my current tower. From what I have been reading from other people, putting the 4850 card barely just makes it width wise and just a touch longer than my current tower. This should give you some idea of what I have, and the height is only 17.5 inches, and the 690 is just about 3.5 inches higher.

The Thermolake armor, and for its price I would rather spend it on the Haf 932 since they are both the same price, and the Haf 932 is way much bigger.

Now the CM Storm sniper is the widest one available for a full tower, a bit taller and a bit smaller in depth.

Bottom line on all these towers is about roughly 1/2 inch at most difference between the Xclio the Storm Sniper and the Haf 932. As of weight, Xclio is the heaviest at 23kg, vs Storm at 10.6 and Haf being 13.2. So the Haf as of weight is good meaning stronger metal but Xclio has it very thick, but the Haf has more fans than compared to the others. The Haf has minimum of 4 fans with the options to pop it to 9 max which is astonishing to say the least.

I would say the Haf 932 wins on the cooling issue based on the fans and capability to move that air around. The storm sniper wins on the with and the height but loses out to fan issue. The Xclio is pitted right between the two of these dead in the middle. So basically it depends on how one looks at it either cooling or size.

Cooling the order is Haf 932, Xclio and then storm sniper

Size the order is Storm sniper, Haf 932 and then Xclio but not much between the haf and Xclio. Those two are a toss up.

Weight stability (meaning metal quality) Xclio, then Haf and then storm sniper.

Xclio is relatively new into the market and this item is not their prized item. Their prized item is about twice as big and beats out Storm and Haf 932 by a mile, but very expensive though. So............... Take a pick.

The only thing I don't like is the lousey leg supports both of them having, Haf and Xclio. Those things break like crackers. Haf is even worse being a single leg and not a whole leg for both sides. Xclio has it boths sides but those break easy due to the huge weight being 23 kg. So one has to make it themselves custom made so to speak and it is not a problem. Instead of plastic, put aluminum on minimum of a quarter inch thickness, but go 3/8ths as my preferance to max 1/2 inch completely across with some adjuster rubber wheels and your in business. The aluminum bar has to be thick and not bend due to the weight as it supports everything in the middle.

Since I am an engineer with over 38 years experience, take the above advice for what it is worth if anyone cares to listen concerning the Haf 932 and Xclio towers.

So I guess this kinda makes my decision since Xclio is not available I will go to the Haf 932 as my secondary optional choice and it maintains the 1.0mm metal deal yet only weighs half of the Xclio. So I wonder what basically got cut in this metal aspects. Something does not sound right concerning the Haf 932 and its weight if they are using 1.00mm thickness metal. I suspect they are using 0.650mm thickness which then makes sense.

I am giving up a little width, to get the fans to cool. If this can be achieved then all my other items inside that tower will last 10 years.

As of the filters, I will make it myself here and get the ones they use on the air conditioners, the micro screens made of plastic and nylon. Because the tower being so big I can work with it.

The defiencies of some MFG's can be overcome when improvisions are applied to either support it better or increase it better. A little ingenuity goes a long way.

I am working on my idea now designing a tower to be ice box cold inside and not have fans at all, and it filter all the dust and controls the humidity as well. Interesting to say the least but initial plans look good on paper here.

There is none in the market of what I have in mind. We'll see

OK I gather your still beach combing ehh, so let me know when you return back from your vacation.

Daveyo







 
I'm back from vacation, it was just an overnighter.

The Haf 932 is a very quality case. I will tell you that the room inside of the CM 690 is plenty for anything you want to fit in it. It can fit the largest CPU coolers, which are the largest components width wise inside your case (I use the CM V8 160mm tall, which fits fine).
 
Hi Xthe

Oh so it was just a mini itty bitty college break. Hahhahahahahaha. Well, granted the 690 as you say would suffice, I think I will lean on the HAF 932 anyways. Why, because the more spread of the items around in that case it would mean better air flow overall, dissipating that heat quicker. I mean man some people have reported their towers inside hitting 70 celcius, and that is HOT for those components. My target is to get the temps to around 30-40 celcius tops inside. This will indeed prolong everything and increase its efficiency performance wise. This is my opinion and thinking whereas others might say it differently.

Besides I am in Thailand and have to get these items here as much as I can. I will go to USA for the hard drives, cause I trust the product better. The quality standards in USA is much higher than in Thailand, so I have to be careful since these companies can cut corners quality wise due to less standards of rule.

It is no secret Xthe, companies are not going to make superb items that last years as such was done back in the 50-60's. Today your lucky to get an item to last a year!!!!!! Why because they want you to spend money and buy parts all over again and that keeps companies and employment steady. If they made good parts to last many years, they would go out of business due to lack of sales cause it was made top quality.

So with that tower I am going to make it twice as strong and make some revisions on it and it will last much longer than my lifespan.

There are fans made of sealed oil/grease bearings which can last easy 5 years or more. The fluid bearings last only 2-3 tops.

So for what it is worth, I will go with the HAF 932. It should be able to handle the 850tx inside hopefully.

Just one question, where does the PSU go on that tower???? top rear, bottom rear ?????? Nothing says where it gets put at. Do you have any idea???? I see a slot on the bottom front but not sure if that is the PSU section. I would think it goes on the rear of the tower for the power source but not sure if it is top or bottom

My tower here is split on the top so I can swing out my PSU releasing the latch on the top and it is held up by a tight nylon clip stepper. There is a cut away on the top rear for this swing bracket that holds the PSU. It would be interesting to see what the HAF has in this regards.

Other than that, will wait for your reply to tell me where it goes on the Haf 932.

Daveyo

Daveyo

 
 

That's true. I guess it's just more common to mount it in the bottom. Thanks for the correction.
 
Hi Xthe

From what I see here, mounting it on the bottom should be preferred since is has the grated holes on the bottom to ensure cooling and there is a square there on the back to put some kind of screen as the exhaust port for the PSU to make it look better. However it is awful close to the card slots. Hmmmmm

Putting it on the top well, it becomes top heavy, easy to tilt. and putting it on the bottom less chance for a accidental tilt since a PSU is quite heavy as it is being a 850tx.

Too bad they don't have a motherboard plate to remove the motherboard for any reason which means you have to dive into it a bit more to get it out. This mobo plate however can be made and put it out by say a quarter inch to get better airflow on the back end. I can always put some aluminum square block at the screw hold down section to get that same gap for more efficient air flow. Usually once a mobo is installed it rarely comes out anyway unless you decide to change the processor itself.

To my understanding most of the time it is graphics, or wireless lans, or monitor or telephony cards or sound cards that people change. The hard drives are next as they eventually fail. The CD-RW and DVD etc's usually last 8 years or more.

What I don't understand is this liquid cooling as I see from the pics here (which is very vague) and of on the back of the case. How does this work???? Is this necessary or not. If not I will take a pass on it. Don't want liquids going on inside that case as hoses tend to harden and the potential for some spill increasing as time goes on. Not a good idea in my opinion being an engineer. I am not an engineer on PC stuff but can be one if put to the test for improvisions if need be. I am a mechanical engineer on 747's.

Granted it has 3 230mm fans, but actually if one puts the smaller fans in to increase it from 3 to 9 fans, the CFM of airflow goes way up. Example say the side fan is a 230 and it has one, now put 4 120mm in there wow. 120 X 4 = 480 vs just a 230. So on and so forth. Add three to the top of 120mm vs just one 230 it will come out to 360 or two of 200 will be 400 vs just the 230. The one fan on the front put two will be only 240 which is a small increase so the 230 will suffice by itself. Changing the back from 140 to 200 will increase the output of exhaust but not by much. So the big change is the top and on the side. You can practically double your output exhaust provided you increase the rpm equal on the 230 intake in the front so it can keep up with it. In other words you have a 230 mm but increase the rpm to handle the exhaust demand that will increase with the other additional fans because you do not have bypass configurations on a tower. Goes with the territory, similar to the bypass ratios required in jet engines vs fan rpm when traveling 520 knots.

Does anyone have any pics of a complete setup inside the tower with everything mounted inside. Just want to get some preview Idea with the PSU on the bottom and how the graphic cards and other items inserted will look like when finished. If possible would like to know more about that liquid cooling set up.

Daveyo









 
Hmmm, just a small addendum on the cooling topic. I seem to notice there is only one intake if I am not mistaken. If so this is woefully inadequate to remove heat!!! Also keep in mind heat rises up and colder air sinks. OK so this has to be applied to the tower set up. Interesting here.

Granted this concept goes against the law of temps on air, so the mobo is near the top whereas the hard drives on the bottom and the others near the top and the graphics and PSU on the bottom. Hmmmm, I would have to reverse the top fans to go intake instead of exhaust, and the rear is OK and the front as intake and the side as exhaust. I just wished there was a way to add one fan on the right side to go intake to take care of the back end to ensure better flow of air.

My target concept is the mobo and the graphics, which if the flow goes intake on the top, it goes right over the mobo and down to the graphics and then out the side. The front goes in and it should distribute the air to all the items there and then go out the back and then out the side. The rear covers graphics heat and the other cards and part of the PSU at the same time. You already have a grated vent on the bottom of the case and hmmmm, was thinking to put a fan there as well being an intake to force air into the psu and then it goes out the rear much better.

Now that will keep the temps down no doubt. Wish someone can try this concept out with temp readings to make a comparison to the original set up. It will not surprise me to see the inside tower be the same as outside temps or a bit cooler than the outside temps. If this can be achieved then you got the holy grail to keep the temps around the 80 degree range inside.

I believe this is what Xclio was trying to do with those two huge fans on the side being exhaust and making it a small effort to have those fans be more outside of the case thus allowing more room inside the tower. For me to do that I would have to reconfigure the HAF left side panel to handle two 250mm fans. That comes out to 500 which is quite powerful for suction so to speak. So if I can stick 4 120mm fans there with a higher rpm it will do the same thing.

So I would need just 3 intake air filters to collect the dust before going in and it should do the job.

Any comments Xthe or anybody here????

Daveyo





 
I'm having trouble following your train of thought on the cooling fans...

The Haf has 1 large fan on the front, and 1 large fan on the side for intake fans; and then 1 large fan on the top and a rear smaller fan for exhaust, plus the PSU fan also acts as an exhaust fan. When configuring the directions of the fans, you want to have the air pressure inside your case to be as close to neutral as possible, that is you want as much air intake as you have exhaust. This ensures that the highest possible volume of air moves through the case, and can wick away as much heat from your components as possible. Having negative pressure in the case (more exhaust than intake) causes your fans to not push as much air out as they normally would, and the opposite, having positive pressure in the case (more intake than exhaust), causes the fans pulling air in have to work harder. Its like having a push and pull action, vs just push or just pull. You won't get as good of cooling if you have a lopsided amount of exhaust and intake, so try to keep this as close to even as you can for the best cooling results. Its better though to have more positive pressure than negative pressure, since positive pressure is taking in more cool air, whereas negative pressure means its more difficult for your system to expel the hot air inside.

Don't bother with liquid cooling. Liquid cooling is actually pretty safe to do if you buy the right parts, but the right parts (the right tubing, good radiator, good water block and good pump) are quite expensive, and only necessary if you are going for a super fast overclock which will generate a lot of heat that needs to be dissipated. Since water conducts heat better than air (denser medium has higher potential for contact and energy transfer), water cooling has more potential to cool your system, but for you its not necessary, just don't worry about it. You want your components to last 10 years, so going for extreme overclocks that need liquid cooling is out of the picture. Air cooling is fine for your needs.

One of the selling points for those big fans is that they are able to move a large amount of air, and don't need to spin as fast to do it since they are so large. By spinning slower than the 120mm fans, they are much quieter. Yes putting 4 120mm fans in there instead would result in more air being moved, but it would be much louder. You can decide if you need this, but those big fans are generally quite adequate, and I don't think you will need more.

Also, you need to reconsider your math I think...since we are talking surface area of circles for fans (pi times radius squared). The area of a 12cm fan is 113cm^2, the area of a 23cm fan is 415cm^2, close to 4x the size and area to move air as the 120mm fan. So yes you could replace a 230mm fan with 2 120mm fans, but you don't get more cooling with that, you get less fan area, and therefore less cooling. 415cm^2 > 227cm^2, and so the 120mm fans would have to be rotating much faster in order to get more air movement, which would result in a lot more noise.
 
Hi Xthe

Oh man, I was under the impression that the top fans were exhaust and the side fans being exhaust. That is why I came up with my thesis. Now I understand the situation much better.

Correct me if I am wrong to my understanding now

Side fans are intake fans
Top fans are exhaust fans
Front fans are intake
and the rear is exhaust

Right???

Ok the side is fine, and the front is fine, and the rear I suppose fine too. I can probably go maybe a step up at the rear if it can fit. As of the top now that you told me it is exhaust hmmm, I can swap that for two 200cm fans instead of one 230 being there. It is not much of a difference but just a tad more exhaust to create a suction effect which should to some extent help the intake fans a bit as well. Due to the huge side opening and that front opening I think it will balance out better as I have now done some engineering configurations of the fans cfm intake vs exhaust.

I started to get into jet engine descriptions here, and deleted it since it gets off topic. Anyway, yes based on the computations you gave is correct. However since it being a tower, a bit more exhaust than intake is most preferred to create a tad suction effect which is necessary to get that heat out better. Like a 55-45 deal. 55 exhaust 45 intake. Being neutral like 50-50 is the ultimate but the movement is kinda balanced. On jets it is reversed.

Thanks for the description on that liquid cooler. Definitely will take a pass on it. Don't need it. Info however was nice to know.

Giga-byte is havin a overclocking contest. I understand the prize is lucrative for the winner.

Don't worry about my reasoning, since I was under the assumption of a different config pertaining to the exhaust and intake locations. I did not know it was the other way around which I was trying to say and they already figured it out correctly. Tsk Tsk.

So here is what we got so far

PSU 850tx (here)
gigabyte mobo being ddr3 P45T edu3P unit (here) or USA as second option
two sticks of ram total 4 gig (here)
intel quad 9550 (here)
tower Haf 932 (here)
cpu cooler - Thermaltake V1 cooler (here)
graphic card 4850 (Here)
Idee to sata (usa)
hard drives from ( USA) 2 of them being ata 133 ( hoping I get closer to 600gig for 2 of them Hitachi. Later I will switch over to SATA and get the WD version model)

All that is left is the LCD monitor. (here)

Oh does the crossfire come like a card slot or simply another 4850 slot on the mobo.

Never did a crossfire before in my life.

Essentially most of it here to save shipping costs and get me some pocket change at the end.

Daveyo










 
For Crossfire, you have two slots on your motherboard that can take video cards (PCIEx16 slots). You put the GPU's into these slots, and your motherboard will come with a crossfire bridge, which is just a little link that you use to connect the two GPU's so that they can communicate. Then you just turn on crossfire in windows and its ready to go.
 
Hi Xthe

Oh they go to those slots. Great. I have to first really thank you for helping me out in all this and guiding me to get the right parts cause really I have no idea of the new stuff that has come out. In fact I was about 8 years behind. I want to make sure that I THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. This was a definite learning experience for me especially coming from a guru like yourself. You know this most likely will be my very last PC I will ever own cause of my age. If I am still around 10 years from now, I might consider another rebuild albeit probably a minor one unless the graphics have really changed by then which can force me to get a new gizmo setup again. I envision possibly 2 terabyte hard drives by that time. Graphics might be out of this world due to new technology.

I have already seen the new monitors or screens now. In fact you can roll it up and take it with you. Yep it is something like paper thin and you can stick it on the wall with connectors similar to what we have now the snap in jobbies. When I saw that I was stunned. That is the new T.V.'s coming out in the next 4 years. LCD by that time will be ancient and analog officially retired and gone. The picture I saw was crystal clear showing even better detail than what we are seeing now on the best of LCD screens. It is coming out of Japan.

The cost for these things on a justifiable note, I have no idea. How to tell someone this paper thin T.V. screen costs 500 dollars or higher.

I saw some previews from some college kids about 6 months or so ago, in some University someplace in California and they came up with some awesome graphic details which is stunning and it showed the buildings the cars, the people looking like in real life, and so on, and they were working as a team together putting that new discovery together. I have not seen it come out yet, which I think they have to get by some big names that might hinder them.

I don't know how much ram it uses or graphics memory, but it would not surprise me the least it running minimum 4 gig memory and 1 gig or better graphic memory. The details given is just about exactly what you see in real life. Example the trees are made like a 2D version autogen. Well the trees they have moves like when the wind hits it, you will see paper and stuff moving on the road, dust coming from the cars on a dirt road, and horses galloping around in perfect motion.

I think this might be out in the next 4-5 years. So with this new puter and of my option to go to 8 gig max, I should be able to see all this without a problem. If they come out with better processors I can always put in a new one as long as it is the 775 socket.

I have a feeling the prices will be coming down during the summer and heading to fall. At that point new stuff starts to come into the market to sell for the holidays etc.

Now its the step by step to get this and that and have the stuff ready to install once everything is picked up.

I hope your still around when I am installing and putting it all together in case I run into some problems. Never the less you definitely saved me many huge headaches from your sound advice and of you taking me under your wing and thinking of my needs and criterias etc. Not to mention of your candor and honesty as well which impressed me a lot.

Like I said good friends are hard to find and to keep around. Its like picking a needle in a haystack. If you want me to give you one more funny story I would be happy to tell ya. Just let me know. I know you will be laughing all day and night. I save my goodies for the last.

Hopefully I can get a preview of a snapshot of a tower full of the hardware in some HAF 932. Pictures can tell a thousand words. At least I will have somewhat an idea how this thing is going to be put together the right way. Plain jane boxes tell me nothing.

Daveyo

 
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