Question Need help cooling the i7 13700kf

[SneakyFoodThief]

Hello everyone.
I have a hard time cooling my cpu.
System:
CPU: 13700KF
MB: AURUS ELITE B760 AX
GPU: RTX 4090 GAMING OC (the thing about the gigabyte pcb's on the 30 and 40 series is scarry)
PSU: coolmaster 1000w v1000
COOLER: tower cooler, be quiet shadow rock 3
RAM: DDR4 Corsair Vengeance 3600 cl 18 32GB
CASE: ANTEC CASE DF700 FLUX (three front intake fans, one back exhaust fan bottom PSU fan, probably competing with the GPU, top clear)

I have also added a contact frame with ARCTIC MX-6 thermal paste
(I think I did a good job on spreading the paste)
Pretty sure I dropped a few degrees (5-10) with the contact frame, don't remember and did not take notes on the previous results.

I'm idling at 40-43C,
On skyrim and less demanding games I hit between 60-70C,
The trouble makers are Red dead 2 and Cyberpunk 2077, I hit thermal throttle on those titles. I mean solid 97-99C
With hits to 100C.
I was thinking of getting the dark rock 4 pro because it sits on the same frame, but then I saw a video on some R5 CPU where the delta between shadow rock 3 and DR4P was 2 degrees at most...

The video:

View: https://youtu.be/YIc0eOdBc-c


If I'm not mistaking the DR4P is ment to compete with the noctua nh-15d,
So I concluded that there is little hope for a tower cooler.
So the question remains, how do I cool this blasted thing?

 

[Zerk2012]

Hello everyone.
I have a hard time cooling my cpu.
System:
CPU: 13700KF
MB: AURUS ELITE B760 AX
GPU: RTX 4090 GAMING OC (the thing about the gigabyte pcb's on the 30 and 40 series is scarry)
PSU: coolmaster 1000w v1000
COOLER: tower cooler, be quiet shadow rock 3
RAM: DDR4 Corsair Vengeance 3600 cl 18 32GB
CASE: ANTEC CASE DF700 FLUX (three front intake fans, one back exhaust fan bottom PSU fan, probably competing with the GPU, top clear)

I have also added a contact frame with ARCTIC MX-6 thermal paste
(I think I did a good job on spreading the paste)
Pretty sure I dropped a few degrees (5-10) with the contact frame, don't remember and did not take notes on the previous results.

I'm idling at 40-43C,
On skyrim and less demanding games I hit between 60-70C,
The trouble makers are Red dead 2 and Cyberpunk 2077, I hit thermal throttle on those titles. I mean solid 97-99C
With hits to 100C.
I was thinking of getting the dark rock 4 pro because it sits on the same frame, but then I saw a video on some R5 CPU where the delta between shadow rock 3 and DR4P was 2 degrees at most...

The video:

View: https://youtu.be/YIc0eOdBc-c


If I'm not mistaking the DR4P is ment to compete with the noctua nh-15d,
So I concluded that there is little hope for a tower cooler.
So the question remains, how do I cool this blasted thing?

The PL1 and PL2 of that processor are like 253 watts and you have a 190 watt cooler. buy better cooling or limit the PL1 and 2 watts.

 

[SneakyFoodThief]

The PL1 and PL2 of that processor are like 253 watts and you have a 190 watt cooler. buy better cooling or limit the PL1 and 2 watts.

Tried doing that, got worse results and also thought of undervolting, but that feature is blocked by my bios version do to some vulnerability of the CPU, didn't look into it to much. Like I mentioned, I was looking into the dark rock 4 pro which is a 253W tdp and the video above made me skeptical...
Also thought of getting an AIO even though I am strongly against having water anywhere near my electrical components, especially those that cost 1700$...

I was hoping to get a suggestion for a proper cooler, preferably from first hand experience.

 

[Zerk2012]

Tried doing that, got worse results and also thought of undervolting, but that feature is blocked by my bios version do to some vulnerability of the CPU, didn't look into it to much. Like I mentioned, I was looking into the dark rock 4 pro which is a 253W tdp and the video above made me skeptical...
Also thought of getting an AIO even though I am strongly against having water anywhere near my electrical components, especially those that cost 1700$...

I was hoping to get a suggestion for a proper cooler, preferably from first hand experience.

Then you didn't do it right because that is just like undervolting.

If your locked out of BIOS settings what is this a prebuilt PC?

 

[sonofjesse]

Peerless 120 is 35 dollars

 

[SneakyFoodThief]

Then you didn't do it right because that is just like undervolting.

If your locked out of BIOS settings what is this a prebuilt PC?

You can say that, I chose the components and the store assembled the system

 

[SneakyFoodThief]

Peerless 120 is 35 dollars

Didn't fined a lot of relevant data on the peerless assassin 120 most test I saw were performed on Variants of ryzen CPUs but I can get a delta between the cooler, though I still don't have a clear picture of how it'll perform on a 13700k . what I did find suggests that it's probably the most powerful tower cooler on the market, you own one?

 

[Misgar]

You might have more luck undervolting if you switch the BIOS to Advanced Mode (possibly with F7). Even then, you may have to dive down several menu levels to expose the relevant settings with obscure names.

The shop might have left the BIOS in Easy Mode which hides all the "complicated" settings.

You could probably benefit from a second exhaust fan or fit a high CFM fan in place of the existing rear panel fan.

As a last resort, remove the side panel and point a large desktop fan at the motherboard. The more airflow around the CPU and GPU the better.

 

[TerryLaze]

Tried doing that, got worse results and also thought of undervolting, but that feature is blocked by my bios version do to some vulnerability of the CPU, didn't look into it to much. Like I mentioned, I was looking into the dark rock 4 pro which is a 253W tdp and the video above made me skeptical...
Also thought of getting an AIO even though I am strongly against having water anywhere near my electrical components, especially those that cost 1700$...

I was hoping to get a suggestion for a proper cooler, preferably from first hand experience.

What exactly did you try?!
What are your PL1 and PL2 settings and what did you change them to?!

If you only hit 100 sometimes it means your cooling is fine since 100 is the official "all the time" temp so you are below that.

You should only look into getting better cooling if you want higher clocks than you get now, if your bios is set on auto and you put in better cooling it will just boost the CPU higher and you will get the same if not higher temps.

 

[geofelt]

To paraphrase a comment in an interview with an Intel engineer
"if you are not running intel 13th gen at 100c. you are leaving performance on the table"
Here is an interesting video on that:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFgswzTvyc


The same in text form:

Core i9-13900K Cooling Guide: Testing Intel's Flagship With Budget Air and Big AIOs

The Core i9-13900K can push even the most capable liquid coolers to their limits, but you don’t lose that much performance if you go with budget-priced air cooling.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[SneakyFoodThief]

You might have more luck undervolting if you switch the BIOS to Advanced Mode (possibly with F7). Even then, you may have to dive down several menu levels to expose the relevant settings with obscure names.

The shop might have left the BIOS in Easy Mode which hides all the "complicated" settings.

You could probably benefit from a second exhaust fan or fit a high CFM fan in place of the existing rear panel fan.

As a last resort, remove the side panel and point a large desktop fan at the motherboard. The more airflow around the CPU and GPU the better.

On the subject of undervolting , from my understanding I can only set tdp, can't twick voltage, that or I didn't find the correct "slider" in bios. Intel software locks me out of the feature .
On the air flow side, the air in the case is cool, that was the first thing I did, removed the side panel and put my hand between the intake fans and the cpu fan to test the air.

 

[SneakyFoodThief]

What exactly did you try?!
What are your PL1 and PL2 settings and what did you change them to?!

If you only hit 100 sometimes it means your cooling is fine since 100 is the official "all the time" temp so you are below that.

You should only look into getting better cooling if you want higher clocks than you get now, if your bios is set on auto and you put in better cooling it will just boost the CPU higher and you will get the same if not higher temps.

I tried to set pl1 and pl2 to 225w 200w and 190w, if I remember correctly below 225w the system became unstable. On 190w I'd get a guaranteed system crash in the first 3 minutes on startup.
I did not play with the clocks tough.

On the subject of higher clocks, that is preferable so I get what I payed for... then again I'd rather stay 90C and below.

Currently I'm runing default configuration (auto).
On the subject of temps I'm dancing in 97-99 with 100C multiple times a minute and then it drops back to 97-99C.

 

[SneakyFoodThief]

To paraphrase a comment in an interview with an Intel engineer
"if you are not running intel 13th gen at 100c. you are leaving performance on the table"
Here is an interesting video on that:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFgswzTvyc


The same in text form:

Core i9-13900K Cooling Guide: Testing Intel's Flagship With Budget Air and Big AIOs

The Core i9-13900K can push even the most capable liquid coolers to their limits, but you don’t lose that much performance if you go with budget-priced air cooling.

www.tomshardware.com

Interesting, I'm going test it out tomorrow, thanks.

 

[sonofjesse]

Didn't fined a lot of relevant data on the peerless assassin 120 most test I saw were performed on Variants of ryzen CPUs but I can get a delta between the cooler, though I still don't have a clear picture of how it'll perform on a 13700k . what I did find suggests that it's probably the most powerful tower cooler on the market, you own one?

Gamers Nexus has several videos and thermals on it. Peerlesss120 and the deepcoolak620 almost the same temps/design, but the peerless is 1/2 the price. I have both coolers, and the peerless 120 is easier to install.

Always get the "large" aircoolers and you will be good to go has always been my experience.

 

[SneakyFoodThief]

UPDATE!
I didn't find the feature responsible to oversaturating the CPU with power like was told in the video, it's either not supported on my motherboard or I missed it.
Installed the peerless assassin 120. Tend to hit 81C on the most demanding titles that I have.
Also tried to stress test the CPU, hit thermal throttle only in the initial 5 minute test, the subsequent test of 5 and 15 minutes did not thermal throttle. The test were done in succession: Cyberpunk-> Red dead2 -> cpu stress test with intel ETU (peaked at 97C). I'd say the cooler does its job very well, probably won't perform as well when overclocked.
Would recommend the peerless assassin as an adequate tower cooler for a 13700k from first hand experience.

Thanks for the help my dudes!