[SOLVED] NEED HELP TO UPGRADE CPU/PC and WHY CURRENT I9 CPU CANT HANDLE IT

[getmoney555]

hey guys I am needing advice on what kind of PC to get. The main focus of the PC will be to have 200 windows open all playing Spotify or another streaming app with all playing music.
I currently have a Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz, 3600 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical Processor(s) and I am only able to open like 40 different windows before my CPU utilization reaches 100% and starts freezing and shutting down. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Also I do have a large budget so don't spare with your suggestions
thank you. Also I am pasting the current specs of my current PC so maybe somebody can tell me why I can't run more threads because I thought I should be able to run more than 40.



OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Pro

Version 10.0.19041 Build 19041

Other OS Description Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name DESKTOP-KLIF51P

System Manufacturer Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.

System Model MS-7B61

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU Default string

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz, 3600 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical Processor(s)

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 1.80, 8/26/2019

SMBIOS Version 2.8

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.

BaseBoard Product Z370 GAMING PLUS (MS-7B61)

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Desktop

Secure Boot State Off

PCR7 Configuration Binding Not Possible

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume4

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.423"

User Name DESKTOP-KLIF51P\TriCityPC

Time Zone Central Daylight Time

Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 32.0 GB

Total Physical Memory 31.9 GB

Available Physical Memory 25.1 GB

Total Virtual Memory 61.7 GB

Available Virtual Memory 12.5 GB

Page File Space 29.7 GB

Page File C:\pagefile.sys

Kernel DMA Protection Off

Virtualization-based security Not enabled

Device Encryption Support Reasons for failed automatic device encryption: TPM is not usable, PCR7 binding is not supported, Hardware Security Test Interface failed and device is not Modern Standby, Un-allowed DMA capable bus/device(s) detected, TPM is not usable

Hyper-V - VM Monitor Mode Extensions Yes

Hyper-V - Second Level Address Translation Extensions Yes

Hyper-V - Virtualization Enabled in Firmware Yes

Hyper-V - Data Execution Protection Yes

 

[getmoney555]

The other reason to spread over multiple physical hosts is availability. If you have one big box and it fails you have zero until it is back. If you have four boxes and one fails you run at 75% until you repair the failed box.

Ok yes I understand that. 200 was just a number I was throwing out as I am really looking for specs to maximize each PC. I know some people that are saying they run 1000 windows using the application. So I would like to have a few big box PCs but struggling on the specs. Again $1000 for Ram would be more than worth it if it would make a difference

 

[getmoney555]

200, or even 50+, Chrome windows and the associated Spotify javascript is simply sucking up you current RAM.
Bump it to 64GB and see what happens.

But...I'm not sure if "1TB" would get you to where you want to be. $1000+ for 1TB RAM, and you might then be running into CPU resource issues.

Again...spread this load over multiple systems.

Ok yes I understand that. 200 was just a number I was throwing out as I am really looking for specs to maximize each PC. I know some people that are saying they run 1000 windows using the application. So I would like to have a few big box PCs but struggling on the specs. Again $1000 for Ram would be more than worth it if it would make a difference

 

[USAFRet]

If other people are running 1000 instances of this, ask them what hardware they are using.

But...forcing it to instantiate Chrome speaks to messily/lazily written software. Where else did they cut corners?

 

[getmoney555]

If other people are running 1000 instances of this, ask them what hardware they are using.

But...forcing it to instantiate Chrome speaks to messily/lazily written software. Where else did they cut corners?

Ive asked but didn't get reply. They aren't there to help. The application is fine and is updated weekly it just takes up a lot CPU

 

[TerryLaze]

200, or even 50+, Chrome windows and the associated Spotify javascript is simply sucking up you current RAM.

But isn't that mostly to be able to switch between the pages really fast instead of having to copy them from page?!
If minimized or just not in focus would the actual music playing code even care if the webpage is in main memory or in pagefile?

 

[USAFRet]

But isn't that mostly to be able to switch between the pages really fast instead of having to copy them from page?!
If minimized or just not in focus would the actual music playing code even care if the webpage is in main memory or in pagefile?

I have no idea how this thing is written.

But minimized and playing is still consuming resources. It is just the visible window that is minimized.

The pagefile thing kicks in when some application - another Chrome Window - needs RAM. Finding no more RAM out of that 32GB, the system kicks something else out to the pagefile on the mass storage device. Something that hasn't been used in a while. It is still running, though.

 

[siaan312]

Dude I don't give a damn if you think why I need you to use the application. THATS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I don't want your advice. Know that the application makes me over 5 figures a months and I need the best option to compute it. I don't care about 1200 dollars I spent 4k on my current PC ! Believe me? You think I need you to believe me. Get a life.You don't even know what 16 threads means. A business that is generating streams for many different artist and you think I have time to waste. GET A LIFE. your opinion means nothing!!

Sounds like a copypasta.

 

[popatim]

Well if more ram doesn't work and your maxing out your CPU at 40 pages with 8 cores then it sounds like you need 5x more Cores or more.
Time to move to a server if you want this all on one machine.

I do suggest splitting the workload up so if one server goes down you don't drop all you customers at the same time. Just food for thought...

 

[getmoney555]

Well if more ram doesn't work and your maxing out your CPU at 40 pages with 8 cores then it sounds like you need 5x more Cores or more.
Time to move to a server if you want this all on one machine.

I do suggest splitting the workload up so if one server goes down you don't drop all you customers at the same time. Just food for thought...

Thanks. like a virtual server? or physical one and how would that work

 

[DSzymborski]

At this point, I think there's a significant burden of proof on you, OP, to demonstrate that your purpose isn't to scam a third party.

And if you think that websites and Spotify aren't aware of tricks like this, you have another think coming; lots of people have lost significant revenues when people have pulled scams on their behalf to pump up traffic data. Even with scattered random IPs around the world, finding suspicious patterns is a simple mathematical trick.

And yes, it is our business. Whether someone is using our forums for assistance in scamming people is most certainly our concern.

 

[getmoney555]

I have no idea how this thing is written.

But minimized and playing is still consuming resources. It is just the visible window that is minimized.

The pagefile thing kicks in when some application - another Chrome Window - needs RAM. Finding no more RAM out of that 32GB, the system kicks something else out to the pagefile on the mass storage device. Something that hasn't been used in a while. It is still running, though.

update..same issue. cpu will run at low utilization but after some hours the CPU will reach 100 for some reason

 

[getmoney555]

First of all smooth playback will also be affected by your internet, even if your bandwidth is enough you won't be able to handle enough packets on the same system to play 200 songs smoothly.

Second if the chrome app uses something like javascript then it will use way more CPU than it actually needs because that's the way it works,you should get
Battle Encoder Shirasé open a single spotify and decrease the usage a click above the limit were it starts to stutter, that way each browser window will only use as much CPU as it actually needs.

You could also spend some time searching if there are any hardware decoders/accelerators for spotify,I assume you already have hardware acceleration enabled in general for chrome.

Definitely the best answer and Battle Endoder definitely helped reduce my CPU tremendously thank you

 

[alexbirdie]

My suggestion ( because you said, you have large budget):

AMD 3990x ( 64 cores, 128 threads).
256 GB RAM - 8x32 GB-sticks
fast NVM3-pci 4.0 M2-ssd with 1 TB---->swapfile with 512 gb size.

additionally custom-water-cooling-system ( from EKWB or Alphacool).

Mainboard: ASUS zenith II extreme alpha
Powersupply: seasonic with minimum 1200W platin- or titan-certification

Other disks( or SSDs) as you may need.

OS: windows 10 enterprise ( for supporting 64 cores as ONE system, not as TWO like windows 10 pro).