News New 5D Storage to Offer 10,000x the Density of Blu-Ray

[artk2219]

They do, you didnt saw in movies? They speak english very well. 😀

Reminds me of how in Stargate SG1 everyone somehow speaks english, or learns it in the span of 20 minutes, and every place mysteriously looks like Vancouver 😀.

 

[Deleted member 1353997]

You can clearly buy the latest and greatest in one way or the other, but your wallet is saying no.
These research discoveries are pointless and you know it.

Ok, then assuming you've got an infinite amount of money, how much would you need to spend to get an RTX 4080 right now instead of next year? And how much would you need for an RTX 5080 before 2024? And even if you had that kind of money, how would you even buy it? Use it to build a time machine or something?

 

[peachpuff]

Ok, then assuming you've got an infinite amount of money, how much would you need to spend to get an RTX 4080 right now instead of next year? And how much would you need for an RTX 5080 before 2024? And even if you had that kind of money, how would you even buy it? Use it to build a time machine or something?

Yes...

 

[artk2219]

Ok, then assuming you've got an infinite amount of money, how much would you need to spend to get an RTX 4080 right now instead of next year? And how much would you need for an RTX 5080 before 2024? And even if you had that kind of money, how would you even buy it? Use it to build a time machine or something?

With enough money Im sure Nvidia would sell you an engineering sample of a 4080, cant guarantee itll work right but theyll totally do it. 5080, id be surprised if theres even alpha silicon on that right now.

 

[Deleted member 1353997]

Yes...

Cool, but I've never built a time machine, so I still need to know how much money you'd need.

 

[Sippincider]

230KB/s write speed is the speed of a "fast" 3.5" floppy disk. It would take 74 years to fill the 500TB drive proposed in this article. That's not a usable product.

Which is why the final version needs to be truly 5-dimensional: bigger on the inside, and able to complete data transfers before they started! 🤓

On a serious note, there are areas where "slow but stable forever" data storage would be useful.

 

[JWNoctis]

Which is why the final version needs to be truly 5-dimensional: bigger on the inside, and able to complete data transfers before they started! 🤓

On a serious note, there are areas where "slow but stable forever" data storage would be useful.

..Though it wouldn't do if humanity's de-civilized descendants dug them up and strung them into a necklace for their pretty refractions, or if they are pitted and fogged by cosmic ray beyond any hope of recovery after eons drifting in space - Even the Voyager golden records are rated for no more than a few billion years, or so I heard.

But yes, a dense and stable storage option would be good to have even now. Sure beats banks upon banks of tape, and lesser optical medium of doubtful longevity.

 

[spongiemaster]

But some did. Giant Magnetoresistance which drove the growth of per-drive capacity from MB-range to TB-range over some 20 years, for one - It doesn't have to be different, if it works.

We're still using the same spinning platter with read/write heads hovering over the surface. There has been significant advancements in platter data density and head sensitivity, but it is still fundamentally the same design. There have been proposals for 3 dimensional holographic storage and other radical designs over the years that amounted to nothing.

AFAIK Both platter-drive and SSD are running into similar limits too: It's not easy to make representations of individual bits smaller on a 2D plane than they already do, and you could only fit so many platters into a HDD, so many V-NAND layers into a flash chip, and so many different cell charge states and hope to read them back out from the same.

Can't agree with any of this. This year, Seagate released a roadmap that had 50TB drives available by 2026, 100TB by 2030, and 120TB drives at some point after 2030. That's a 10+ year roadmap with a planned 6 fold increase in drive storage capacity. We're not near the limit of platter drive capacity yet.

What's limiting consumer SSD capacity is form factor and cost. There is only so much you can fit on the very compact M.2 sized PCB. In the enterprise which has standard 3.5" hard drive sized SSD drives, you can buy a 100TB drive today. There's nothing stopping someone from dropping one of these into a standard desktop except the $40,000 price tag.

 

[JWNoctis]

We're still using the same spinning platter with read/write heads hovering over the surface. There has been significant advancements in platter data density and head sensitivity, but it is still fundamentally the same design. There have been proposals for 3 dimensional holographic storage and other radical designs over the years that amounted to nothing.

Other than having no inherent and insurmountable faults and limitations by themselves, such discoveries also needed commercial interest to transform into mature commercial solution, which was presumably hard to do with regular HDD seeing exponential growth in capacity.

Either way, any realistic commercialization of such storage medium might very well still be in the form of spinning platters, which removes one dimension and simplifies another as far as mechanical stabilization went, just like how there's nothing outdated with flat roads and round wheels.

Can't agree with any of this. This year, Seagate released a roadmap that had 50TB drives available by 2026, 100TB by 2030, and 120TB drives at some point after 2030. That's a 10+ year roadmap with a planned 6 fold increase in drive storage capacity. We're not near the limit of platter drive capacity yet.

What's limiting consumer SSD capacity is form factor and cost. There is only so much you can fit on the very compact M.2 sized PCB. In the enterprise which has standard hard drive sized SSD drives, you can buy a 100TB drive today. There's nothing stopping someone from dropping one of these into a standard desktop except the $40,000 price tag.

We are nearing it, considering how long it took for consumer HDD capacity to grow by five orders of magnitude from 20MB in mid-80's to 2TB in late-00's, and how it took more than 10 years since then for enterprise drives to reach a capacity of 20TB. It has already been slowing for a while, now.

And other than their small physical dimensions as you've mentioned, there's only so much you can fit on a M.2-sized board because the flash chips themselves could only fit so much. I've no doubt they still have room for growth, but how much more? A solid-state 3D storage media with a significant 3rd dimension of similar density to the classical two would be rather revolutionary there.