New BUDGET Build!!!

[ProVisionOman]

Hellow.
I am building a new GAMING computer (or rig or build ugh ) That I want to use it for ATLEAST 5 years gaming, school-work and video-editing multitasking and MAYBE 3D stuff. I want it under 630$ WITHOUT THE GRAPHICS CARD. Like a 630$ without graphics card because I don't have enough money now. I will be saving and getting it later (Gigabyte 7950 open for suggestions too !) I want to go for the Intel i5 but umm... its four cores. I know its enough and it's faster and its better for gaming. But I really don't know. This isn't my money, This IS my first year of high school. (Grade 7) so I don't have options lol i am under control of my father. So I want something good and would stay with me. Does this build seem OK? I am open to suggestions but really, 630$ is HUGELY already over my budget(100$ over ). And I don't live in the US. I am in the middle east... So yeah all bad . So here goes!

CPU: FX-8150 or 8120 (Whats better for overclocking? And I haven't overclocked before )
Motherboard: AsRock 990FX Extreme3 (Will be Cross-firing in the future)
Case: Cougar Challenger Orange (Not open for debate I live this thing)
DVD: LG DVD Burner Black SATA Model
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM
RAM: Kingston 12GB (3x4GB) 240-Pin
PSU: RoseWill xTreme RX850


I am gonna get these later as I get more money:

CPU Cooler: ThermalTake Water2.0 Performer
GPU: Radeon 7950 Gigabyte


All are open for debate! Thanks!!

 

[Nw333]

Intel is much better when gaming and doing these editing and all. and the FX is terrible (to me, atleast. Intel has better performing hardware and Im pretty sure the FX has very slow core by core performance.) Get the i5 3570K and Asrock Extreme4 mobo

You dont want Kingston if your going Intel route. Too much voltage. Corsair or G.Skill is your best bet.

A PSU from Corsair, XFX, Seasonic and PC&P will be much more reliable.

I dont really know how youre going to do 3D work when your in 7th Grade, since Im pretty sure you need special software for that. :lol: Beats me. Im in 7th Grade and starting programming

Lastly, dont expect 5 years from ANY computer. Most it will play modern games at high is about 2-3 years. Intel will replace Ivy with Haswell next year, AMD Phenoms with Piledriver (I think.) and new video cards come out each year which are bound to perform better than todays GPUs.

 

[abraham_mammogram]

Intel is much better when gaming and doing these editing and all. and the FX is terrible (to me, atleast. Intel has better performing hardware and Im pretty sure the FX has very slow core by core performance.) Get the i5 3570K and Asrock Extreme4 mobo

You dont want Kingston if your going Intel route. Too much voltage. Corsair or G.Skill is your best bet.

A PSU from Corsair, XFX, Seasonic and PC&P will be much more reliable.

I dont really know how youre going to do 3D work when your in 7th Grade, since Im pretty sure you need special software for that. :lol: Beats me. Im in 7th Grade and starting programming

Lastly, dont expect 5 years from ANY computer. Most it will play modern games at high is about 2-3 years. Intel will replace Ivy with Haswell next year, AMD Phenoms with Piledriver (I think.) and new video cards come out each year which are bound to perform better than todays GPUs.

Oh man, someone says the FX series is terrible, while using a 660 ti, that's funny.

Agreed, intel is better, but I feel that I've made this argument many times on these forums already. Is it worth the price? Because there is roughly a $40(USA) difference between the fx-8150 and the i5 3xxxk, its hard to say which one I would go with. While the AMD chip has potential with windows 8, I personally haven't used it enough to form an opinion. Next, if you are comfortable with it, spacing the load on different modules on an fx-8150 can drastically improve performance, why AMD doesn't do this stock from the factory, is beyond me.

Is electricity cost an issue for you? If so, the 77w intel may be better suited for you rather than the 125w fx. However, due to the fact that you mention that you plan to crossfire/sli later on, I have a hunch that power costs are not of much concern to you.

 

[ProVisionOman]

Intel is much better when gaming and doing these editing and all. and the FX is terrible (to me, atleast. Intel has better performing hardware and Im pretty sure the FX has very slow core by core performance.) Get the i5 3570K and Asrock Extreme4 mobo

You dont want Kingston if your going Intel route. Too much voltage. Corsair or G.Skill is your best bet.

A PSU from Corsair, XFX, Seasonic and PC&P will be much more reliable.

I dont really know how youre going to do 3D work when your in 7th Grade, since Im pretty sure you need special software for that. :lol: Beats me. Im in 7th Grade and starting programming

Lastly, dont expect 5 years from ANY computer. Most it will play modern games at high is about 2-3 years. Intel will replace Ivy with Haswell next year, AMD Phenoms with Piledriver (I think.) and new video cards come out each year which are bound to perform better than todays GPUs.

Yeah but i like to Multitask alot. Like assign four cores to a game. And for other to Vegas xD. But look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kd4dvLJQP4
Not much of a difference !
And the stupid consoles are NOW gonna get replaced.... 6 years ahead. I wanna go AMD because 8 cores wont get outdated in 5 years. Maybe four will... not sure. Thats why, i WILL add another 7950.... but i really dont wanna replace my CPU. Say i got an i5 NOW.... when four gets outdated.. I THINK i will go maybe i7 (or i9 xD) which will cost me DOUBLE the AMD for MAX 20% performance. I dont its worth it.

 

[abraham_mammogram]

I love budget builds. Never enough money is there. I've done several so I know how it is. I am impressed that you are so young and building a pc, good for you and have fun.
Intel is the way to go and you can find a processor that costs the same as an FX chip that will outperform it. That processor is already dated because even their replacement will be slower than intel's unfortunately.
I suggest a Seasonic psu stongly. You won't need 850 watts. Go more around 600, the workstation I am typing on right now has a 520w Seasonic and its very powerful. You also won't need three sticks of ram as a mainstream board uses two or four. I don't see a motherboard but I suggest the ASRock Extreme 4 for intel cpus.
Good luck buddy!

He says he wants to crossfire. So he will need a 700w power supply or better, with at least 53A on the +12V rail. You did make a good point though, triple channel memory for this build is a mistake, get a dual channel kit.

 

[ProVisionOman]

I love budget builds. Never enough money is there. I've done several so I know how it is. I am impressed that you are so young and building a pc, good for you and have fun.
Intel is the way to go and you can find a processor that costs the same as an FX chip that will outperform it. That processor is already dated because even their replacement will be slower than intel's unfortunately.
I suggest a Seasonic psu stongly. You won't need 850 watts. Go more around 600, the workstation I am typing on right now has a 520w Seasonic and its very powerful. You also won't need three sticks of ram as a mainstream board uses two or four. I don't see a motherboard but I suggest the ASRock Extreme 4 for intel cpus.
Good luck buddy!

You know I wanna crossfire eh? and I dont wanna get cought with my pants down like I am now. I have a core 2 duo and i cant play NFS: The Run and bf3 thanks to my SHITTY dual core. SO i dont want that to happen again. If you wont think games will make a difference with more cores later on.. i go Intel all day. I just dont want that to happen. And as I said. Multitasking is something I really LOVE. I know i make it seem like the FX is the only option.. But with its price with its cores... Well I dont know. Should I wait for Piledriver then?!

 

[ProVisionOman]

He says he wants to crossfire. So he will need a 700w power supply or better, with at least 53A on the +12V rail. You did make a good point though, triple channel memory for this build is a mistake, get a dual channel kit.

You recommend a 2 sticks of 8GB or 4 sticks or 4 GB???

 

[farensabri]

xeon e3-1230 v2 with some cheap b75 based motherboard should be very good.

 

[abraham_mammogram]

You recommend a 2 sticks of 8GB or 4 sticks or 4 GB???

eh, I don't know. I still think 16gb is quite alot, unless you are doing a lot of photo editing. I would say pick whichever set you can find cheaper..

 

[ProVisionOman]

xeon e3-1230 v2 with some cheap b75 based motherboard should be very good.

Dont act stupid. I wanna FUTURE PROOF IT! It is BARELY now proof.

 

[Surgeking]

Depends on MB.
Some MB only have dual channel support, that's 2 slots. So going 2 sticks is optimal there.

I also vote on i5 over fx. Performance wise the fx is like 2 tiers behind. The i3s beat it...

 

[ProVisionOman]

EVERYONE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kd4dvLJQP4

After I watched this I was SHOCKED!! Only 5FPS difference?! WOW!

 

[Nw333]

Oh man, someone says the FX series is terrible, while using a 660 ti, that's funny.

The 660Ti competes with the 7950, dont see how its terrible. Also gives me atleast 50FPS, 1080p BF3 on Ultra, for $100 less than a 670 >.> How is that terrible? You tell me.

 

[jacobizbeast]

Like everyone else has said, the 8 core is a little much for what you get. I would go with the intel i5 2500K for an extra 30 dollars, or if not, you could just go with the newest sandy bridge version for the same price as the 8150. Now, no hate to the AMD, I have an AMD CPU myself. (The 6100) But, I think that the 8150 is a little too expensive. Another thing you can do is get the 6100 or 6150, and save some for a better GPU.

i5 2500K: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072


FX 6100: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103962&Tpk=FX%206100



Edit:

Where it says "or if not, you could just go with the newest sandy bridge version for the same price as the 8150." I meant the most basic version. I think thats the 2310.

 

[abraham_mammogram]

The 660Ti competes with the 7950, dont see how its terrible. Also gives me atleast 50FPS, 1080p BF3 on Ultra, for $100 less than a 670 >.> How is that terrible? You tell me.

192 bit memory interface.

I also got my 670 for $320. It's not that hard to get a good deal on computer hardware if you know how to look for it.

edit: and no, the 660 ti doesn't compete with the 7950, it competes with the 7870.

 

[Nw333]

192 bit memory interface.

I also got my 670 for $320. It's not that hard to get a good deal on computer hardware if you know how to look for it.

edit: and no, the 660 ti doesn't compete with the 7950, it competes with the 7870.

Well, if it had the same 256 bit memory interface, it wouldve been a 670.

I live in the PH, its hard to find deals here.

 

[abraham_mammogram]

Well, if it had the same 256 bit memory interface, it wouldve been a 670.

I live in the PH, its hard to find deals here.

well yeah, when you also enable the missing ROP. But that's the point I was making, the memory interface limits an otherwise extremely capable card.

 

[Nw333]

well yeah, when you also enable the missing ROP. But that's the point I was making, the memory interface limits an otherwise extremely capable card.

Thats nVidias way of crippling cards, I guess. Lower the memory interface or the shaders or whatever. Eh, as long as it gives me good performance ingame, Im fine with it.

 

[ProVisionOman]

OK thanks all!! Will be going with a i5... BUT! 2500k or 2550k or 3570k?!

 

[Nw333]

2550K? lol.

3570K, definitely. I know it OCs hotter, but why not get the latest and greatest?

 

[ProVisionOman]

2550K? lol.

3570K, definitely. I know it OCs hotter, but why not get the latest and greatest?

OH CMON! The 2550k just doesnt have the intergrated graphics. It does... But disabled. LOL! Its more expensive too

 

[Nw333]

Well, I really dont know why your bothering with integrated graphics when your getting a discrete video card. :lol:

Sandy Bridge (2xxx) will probably be obsolete soon since Haswell will come out. Im assuming the Ivy (3xxx) will stay for atleast 1 year more since it is newer. Keep in mind this is just an assumption.

 

[ProVisionOman]

Well, I really dont know why your bothering with integrated graphics when your getting a discrete video card. :lol:

Sandy Bridge (2xxx) will probably be obsolete soon since Haswell will come out. Im assuming the Ivy (3xxx) will stay for atleast 1 year more since it is newer. Keep in mind this is just an assumption.

Yeah, and BTW. I want a processor that will last atleast 5 years. Yeah! i5 3570k or FX? I know FX doesnt have PCI-e 3 D: But its still 8 cores (Oh well 4 modules ). What do you recommend?!

 

[Nw333]

i5 3570K > FX. You wont find a CPU that would last you 5 years, especially now since Haswell is coming out next year. There is no such thing as future-proofing, Im telling you now. (Even the 2011 processors wont last you 3 years.) At most, expect maybe 3 years tops for this build. Technology is always improving.

 

[ProVisionOman]

i5 3570K > FX. You wont find a CPU that would last you 5 years, especially now since Haswell is coming out next year. There is no such thing as future-proofing, Im telling you now. (Even the 2011 processors wont last you 3 years.) At most, expect maybe 3 years tops for this build. Technology is always improving.

But I will be adding another 7950