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Approximate Purchase Date: About 1 month

Budget Range: $1000-$1200

System Usage: Gaming, Programming, Web surfing

Parts not required: Mouse, monitor, keyboard, OS

Preffered Websites: I would pick newegg but unfortunately they don't shp to my country. www.mwave.com.au, www.arc.com.au and www.jw.com.au.

Country of origin: Australia

Parts Preferences: Not really just want a good gaming computer to play on a 1280x1080. Hopefully it should be able to run battlefield 3 on nearly maxed out settings.

Overclocking: It would be better if the graphiv card was factory overclocked. I don't intend on overclocking anything.

Monitor resolution: 1280x1080

Additional comments: Hopefully it should be able to run most games maxed out, and I don't want to have to upgrade for at least 2 years.
 

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I'll throw a few parts at you to look at. Graphics I would choose either the GTX460 1GB or the HD6850 in the $150 range.
Minimum PSU for a gaming rig I would choose at least 500W. If you have any desire to add another graphics card down the road, I'd get a 650W. Check http://www.jonnyguru.com/ for the latest word on power supplies. DON"T get the cheapest one you can find, gaming systems are demanding and require a solid PSU to power them. You can skimp elsewhere.

Biggest choice at this point is Intel or AMD. You can't go wrong with a core i5 and p67 mobo, or z68. Get at least 4 gigs ram, but 8 is more cost effective currently.
 

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will a 560 ti be able to almost max out battlefield and what is better the i5 2500k or an amd phenom ii x6 1100t black edition.
 

At the resolution you stated up above that 560ti will rip through games. At 1920 x 1080 that card won't max out BF3, and a few of the newer games like Metro and Cyrsis.

As far as the that X6 1100T BE is concerned...it's a dog. The 2500K mops the floor with it.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288 <----- AMD Phenom II X6 1100T BE vs Intel Core i5 2500K
 

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you might want to ask this question a little bit later on seeing as prices of these components or alternatives may arrive in one month.

For example here is a link to some pricing info about the AMD bulldozer CPUs. . The release of these CPUs would most likely drive down the cost of the i5 2500k. Furthermore the performance may be better, or equal to the i5.
 

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What fps do u think i will get for bf3 with 560 ti
 

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Take a look at this benchmark page on tomshardware

It show Metro 2033 arguably the most gpu intensive game currently.

You could probably expect fps above or around 60 at high settings, but that is just an educated guess. If you are specifically building this computer for BF3, I would wait until the recommended system requirements are released, then create the build that would exceed those specs, to "future proof" your system a bit.
 

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Haha. Time to get that crystal ball out mate. I would think the 560 Ti should go pretty close to maxing BF3 @ 1280x1080. Have a look at how the gtx 570 doesn't quite get Crysis 2 dx11 to 60fps at that res. With that extra space in your budget (based on Why_me's nice build)... a 570 might not be a bad idea if your wanting to play BF3 on high.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-2-directx-11-performance,2983-6.html
 

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Nice. As Why_me says go good rated 600W with the 570. I wouldn't expect most games to be as taxing as Crysis 2 dx11 for a while yet... the 560 Ti will eat most games at your resolution, but hey, you've got a bit extra so why not? 570 Twin Frozr iii is a beast.

Just incase you've got an outlet near you... Check www.msy.com.au. Their website aint great and range isn't huge. I just download their pdf pricelist and call them to check stock etc. They are about as cheap as it gets. Even if you can get a few parts from there will save your shipping $ from PCCaseGear.
 

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Hi Why Me - so how is "pccasegear.com " at supplying components for the best price and customer service? I have not heard of them before.
 

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yea thanks msy is a great website and i have an outlet near me. Also this is my first rig and i i don't know how to put a computer together, so is there anyone that can put it together or do i have to do it myself. Any tutorials on putting computers together would be very helpful as well.
 

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You might want to take a look at the Corsair HX 750W (or HX 850W) PSUs. They frequently go on sale for about the same price as silver rated 650W PSUs. For example, I got my HX 850 for $144 on sale and it has gone as low as $120.

They are modular (makes building with them MUCH easier) and are two of the highest rated PSUs in existence by professional reviewers. They also come with a 7-year warranty which is backed by Corsair's best in the business customer service.

Don't worry about them being "overkill" for wattage because they will run at their most efficient range (50%) for your build. Yes a 650W PSU will also work and so look for the best price and efficiency and then make your choice.

The advantage if the HX 850 is that if you decide to go SLI you will have plenty of power available for both video cards.
 

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My take on building a system yourself for the 1st time is that it is not necessarily easy, but definitely achievable. Tom's step by step guide:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274745-31-step-step-guide-building

There are some ageing parts in there, but the principles are all the same. A couple of people who recently built for the 1st time also mentioned that looking at the following trouble shooting sticky was really useful. Not to suggest that something will go wrong when your building, but it has heaps of info that is handy to have in the back of mind if you encounter something.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/261145-13-read-posting-boot-problems.

There are heaps of Youtube videos too, but if you think you can follow that guide I would go for it.
 

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hey thanks for thr guide, in the guide he talks about a heat sink a Cooler Master 212 plus, do I have to buy one as well, or is that alreasy built into one of the parts. Also the second link doesn't work.
 

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Oops updated link:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-steps-posting-boot-video-problems

Your CPU will come with a 'stock' intel CPU Cooler, which you would put on at that stage if you don't buy an aftermarket one like the Cooler Master 212 +. The CM 212+ CPU Cooler helps you get significantly cooler CPU core temperatures which is what you need for overclocking. If you don't plan to overclock it's probably not necessary. If you do... for $30 the CM 212+ is a good one.
 

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I was thinking how about I get a gtx 560 ti now, and save up and SLI with another one in the future, it would be cheaper than 2 570s and people say that 2 560 ti's have better performance than 1 570. So is it worth it? And would I have to change my case, motherboard or psu because of doing SLI?
 

For dual 560ti's in SLI you want to make those changes down below to that build...psu and board. Also if and when you decide to add another card you want to add another case fan or two to that case. I wouldn't add another card though without upgrading the monitor to something like 1920 x 1080 or your going to get a gazillion FPS on that resolution you have atm.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_711_1183&products_id=18137 $145.00
ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 Motherboard

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_226&products_id=16142 $139.00
Antec High Current Gamer 750W Power Supply HCG-750

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Z68%20Extreme3%20Gen3 <----- there's a better look at that board

http://www.asrock.com/microsite/IntelZ68/index.asp <----- Z68 features

http://www.asrock.com/microsite/PCIe3/ <----- PCI-E 3.0 that will be supported by Ivy Bridge due out in April/May
 

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I found this great deal on msy.com.au on a 23 inch monitor. The resolution of that is 1920x1080 resolution. If I were to buy this monitor would the 570 still be able to max out most games.
 

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It's pretty hard to say to anyone definitively "Yes the 570 will max out most games... and here is my guarantee! hehe

On the nVidia website you can search recommended settings for games you play and see what they offer using different models (560Ti, 570s etc) and also the fps they get at those settings.

On builds that I have seen using the gtx 570 (not many) more based on reviews etc, you could say the 570 is playing most current games on very high settings, and can max some at 1080p. Not my personal build, but a system I game on frequently that has a 560Ti usually will get to av 50-60fps at 1080p by dropping a setting here and there like an AA level or shadow quality from extreme to high, and it's pretty tough to pick a big difference in visual quality. If you look at the Crysis 2 dx11 link in an earlier post, the 580 doesn't max out 1080p.

If you are planning on putting in another 570 down the track make sure you get a PSU that accommodates for it.
 

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