Build Advice New Build - - - any suggestions / conflicts ?

[al17online]

Looking to build a new PC to updrade from my last one (probably 8 years old). Not a gaamer, just looking for quality products, good performace and reliabilty that wont soon be outdated.
This is what I came up with.
Overkill? Anything stand out not being compatiable? Any substitutions?

MSI MPG Z690 CARBON WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard​

Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor - no intention to overclock​

be quiet! Dark Rock Slim CPU Cooler​

Crucial CT2K32G48C40U5 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-4800 CL40 Memory​

Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive​

going to be used for Windows operating system & programs

Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive​

for storage- docs, photos, videos etc

Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 12 GB Video Card​

has 2 HDMI for my currnet monitors & 2 DP for future monitor upgrades
currently use 2 monitors, thinking I can add a 3rd by using the motherboard's HDMI port if need be

Corsair RM750x 750 W 80+ Gold ATX Power Supply​

Microsoft Windows 11 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit​

Corsair AF120 Quiet 120 mm Fans ​

going to use from current PC

Samsung 840 Evo 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive​

going to use from current PC, maybe for backup

Corsair Carbide Series 400R ATX Mid Tower Case​

going to use from current PC
Asus DRW (2)
going to use from current PC

Did I forget to add something?

Thanks in advance for any comments, susggestions, opinions are greatlty appreciated

 

[Lafong]

Are you deliberately avoiding 13th generation Intel CPUs and 13th generation motherboards?

12th gen is certainly OK, but current gen is what I'd buy unless budget prohibits.

Not having upgraded in 8 years implies you want to buy once and live with it a long time, so I'd certainly get the strongest parts I could afford.

What is your best reason for 64 RAM rather than 32? You may have one, just asking.

Your budget is what???

If you are making the leap to DDR5, I'd think you may as well nudge the RAM up to maybe 5600 or 6000 speed. Price difference minimal.

 

[al17online]

Are you deliberately avoiding 13th generation Intel CPUs and 13th generation motherboards?

12th gen is certainly OK, but current gen is what I'd buy unless budget prohibits.

Not having upgraded in 8 years implies you want to buy once and live with it a long time, so I'd certainly get the strongest parts I could afford.

What is your best reason for 64 RAM rather than 32? You may have one, just asking.

Your budget is what???

If you are making the leap to DDR5, I'd think you may as well nudge the RAM up to maybe 5600 or 6000 speed. Price difference minimal.

Are you deliberately avoiding 13th generation Intel CPUs and 13th generation motherboards?

12th gen is certainly OK, but current gen is what I'd buy unless budget prohibits.

Not having upgraded in 8 years implies you want to buy once and live with it a long time, so I'd certainly get the strongest parts I could afford.

What is your best reason for 64 RAM rather than 32? You may have one, just asking.

Your budget is what???

If you are making the leap to DDR5, I'd think you may as well nudge the RAM up to maybe 5600 or 6000 speed. Price difference minimal.

Hi Lafong
1st off, outy out or 65 views you were the fisrt and only to repy...thank you!

12th gen is certainly OK, but current gen is what I'd buy unless budget prohibits.
Read that 13th gen runs too hot, needs more power, some issues reported with some video cards, not worth the bang for the additional $,
Not a gamer, not running cad or photo editing programs.

Not having upgraded in 8 years implies you want to buy once and live with it a long time, so I'd certainly get the strongest parts I could afford.
I thought it was a strong list of parts. Where am I weak? I am asking for improvemnets if warranted.
Never really had a reason to upgrade till now. Keep getting crash dumps. Figure I would modernize. Its about time.

What is your best reason for 64 RAM rather than 32? You may have one, just asking.
I thought the rule rule of thumb, more memory is better for multi tasking? Ram was only $153. Figured it was worth it.

Your budget is what???
Really dont have a budget for this. But not looking to spend more than I have to.
I am the believer in buying once & crying once.

 

[Lafong]

RAM: more of it helps to the extent you are using all you currently have.

How much do you typically use on your existing machine?

Are you having trouble with 32?

Do you have a particular reason to believe that your anticipated tasks require more than 32?

There are legit needs for 64 and 128 and 256 and beyond. If you would lose sleep with less than 64 then obviously buy 64 or more, regardless of whether it's "worth it" or "more than I have to spend".

13th gen comes in many varieties. Have you specifically compared the 12700K to the 13600K as regards heat, cooling requirements, and performance? Price is virtually identical.

Leaving aside 12700, 13700, 13700K for various prices.

Your proposed parts are "strong". The only issue is whether you can do somewhat better when "really don't have a budget for this".

It's perfectly fine if you can't convince yourself to change anything due to what you've read elsewhere. Reasonable people can differ. I have no idea what you have read....you can likely find links to support virtually any position, the Internet being what it is.

Good luck.

 

[ilukey77]

personally id look at a 7700 non x a b650e with the pcie gen 5 x 16 slot and a 6800xt if still can be found !!

your going to get better socket life out of the AM5 platform ..

ddr5 cl 30 6000 is the sweet spot for zen4

7700 is just as if not easier to cool than the 12700k ..

if hell bent on a 3060 ti 12gb for your reasons then yeah no issues with that ..

Just i would think twice about LGA1700 this close to its end !!

 

[al17online]

13th gen comes in many varieties. Have you specifically compared the 12700K to the 13600K as regards heat, cooling requirements, and performance? Price is virtually identical.

isnt the 12700k an i7 and the 13600k an i5 core?
what are the pros and cons from stepping down to an i5 that is 13 gen vs. an i7 12th gen?
this would be my only 2nd build so i appreciate your advice & replying back.

 

[al17online]

There are legit needs for 64 and 128 and 256 and beyond. If you would lose sleep with less than 64 then obviously buy 64 or more, regardless of whether it's "worth it" or "more than I have to spend".



Good luck.

Thought about what you said.
Thinking about switching to i7 13700K with Crucial Pro 32GB Ram
13th gen i7 upgrade.
got this message on PCPartspicker
The MSI MPG Z690 CARBON WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard supports the Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor with BIOS version 7D30v17. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, updating the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.

Went to MSI's website
found this for compatibilty...

Core i7

Raptorlake

i7-13700K

100

3.4GHz

24MB

30MB

B0

125

UHDGraphics770

7D30v17.zip

should be good, right?
sorry for the questions,
thanks again

 

[geofelt]

I would not build as listed.
At least without more information.

Can you list the make/model of the parts you are now using?
Perhaps some parts can be reused.

Do you have a budget for the upgrade?

What is the main use for this pc?
Ordinary desktop work?
Games?
What type?
fast action/ cpu centric sims,mmo,strategy/multiplayer.
Multithreaded batch apps?


13th gen is certainly the way to go.

Ram today is cheap enough.
But the need for more than 32gb is questionable.

 

[Lafong]

Yes, the 12700K is an i7 and the 13600K is an i5.

Is it a "step down" or a "step up"?

I'd guess there are use cases that would favor an i7-12700K rather than the i5-13600K. You might qualify. I haven't dug deeply into it.

"12700K vs 13600K" yields 79 hits on Google. Dig into it as deeply as you like.

Regrettably....most of the hits seemed to be concerned with gaming.

I'm guessing you are most concerned about performance on your specific tasks. I have no idea what those are.

I could be wrong. I'll certainly grant you that 7 is a larger number than 5 and that RAM is more likely to be marketed as "Corsair Vengeance" rather than "Corsair Adequate".

You should at least consider a non-K, such as the 13700. I don't think you'll be able to find a 13600, therefore the high interest in 13600K as it is noticeable cheaper than 13700 and 13700K.

Using a 13th gen CPU (13700K) on a 12th gen motherboard (Z690) requires that the motherboard have a BIOS compatible with 13th gen CPUs. Otherwise it won't work.

You get around that by either:

1; updating the BIOS on the 12th gen motherboard to 13th gen compatible version after downloading it from MSI.

or

2; buying a 13th gen motherboard instead. Z790 or B760; micro ATX or ATX

or

3; assuming that the 12th gen motherboard you buy is newer stock that has had the BIOS updated at the factory before you bought it.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

If you are not overclocking, go for a 13700 non-k and B760 combo.
The CPUs today are binned to very high standards and the OC potential is little to non existent.

For quieter opertaion, i would suggest a beefier cooler like the Deepcool AK620 or the Thermalright peerless assassin.

I would also suggest getting the latest spec ATX3.0 PSU. something like the RMe(2023) 750.

A crucial P5 plus would be great and is pcie 4.0, priced just right.

GPU suggestion: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6z...ger-itx-arc-a380-6-gb-video-card-a380-cli-6go

 

[geofelt]

I3/I5/I7/I9 no longer mean what they used to.
Namely now many cores and if it has hyperthreading.
With the advent of Efficiency cores, the designation is now a relative
performance level within each generation.
The two processors are comparable; the i5 technically stronger.
Each has 20 processing threads.I7-12700K has a passmark total rating of 34164 and a single thread rating of 4049.
The i5-13700K also has 20 threads 38442 total and 4187 single.

 

[I Mess With Windows]

Can I ask what you actually do on your PC?
If all you do is basic tasks, I would certainly not waste money on something this powerful.
I would most likely go LGA1700 too, because AM5 is just too expensive for this type of build, and AM4 is not outdated but definitely not going to get any new CPUs.
I'd go for an i5 13400, a B760 motherboard, 16GB of memory, and if you don't want to use the integrated graphics because you kinda want some kind of graphical power, something like a GTX 1650 seems like a good choice. Might wanna start with integrated and add a GPU later if needed.

Again that's assuming you mostly do basic tasks, like browsing the web, emails, documents writing etc...
For this purpose the specs I mentionned above are already overkill and will make an incredibly fast PC, that you can easily keep for 12 years assuming technology progress goes about as fast as it did last 12 years.

 

[al17online]

Hey guys,
Thamk you all forthe feedback.
As I mentioned, not a gamer. Looking to update to a solid & modern PC for office kind of stuff.
Docs, spreadsheets, etc. Work related software programs that utilize docs, videos & photos. Stream vdeos, music...online games etc.
Need 2 HDMI monitors, maybe 3. Have several windows & programs running at the same time.
Revised my build list to the folowing

Intel Core i7-13700 CPU​

Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler 700 ​

MSI MAG B760 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX

Crucial Classic 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR5-5600 ​

Samsung 840 Evo 250 GB SSD ​

taken from old PC - going to be for backing up importantant items

Samsung 980 Pro 500 GB.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME SSD​

for windows OS & programs

Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME SSD​

Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 12 GB GPU​

has 2 HDMI & 2 DP (future monitor upgrade possibilty)

Corsair Carbide Series 400R ATX Mid Tower Case​

taken from old PC

Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W PSU​

Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer​

taken from old PC

Samsung SH-224DB/RSBS DVD/CD Writer​

taken from old PC

Microsoft Windows 11 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit​

Lian Li Uni Fan SL-Infinity 61.3 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack​

2 front intake, 1 rear exhaust

Lian Li Uni Fan SL-Infinity 72.7 CFM 140 mm Fan (3x)​

2 top exhaust, 1 bottom intake

Better build?
Thoughts?
I miss anything?