New build need suggestions, thank you

[miaomiaomiao]

For $200 US you can get the Corsair TCCD 2x512mb TwinX XL running 2-2-2-5 up to 215+, 2-3-3-7 up to 230 and up to 275 at 2.5-4-4-7
These are the Samsung TCCD's as the same chips rated at 500MHZ at CAS 2.5

ok i have question about AMD OPTERON 165
the core speed is only 1.8 Ghz and it's single core
how can it be better than 3800+ ?

 

[RichPLS]

IMO, it is not. It entails a more expensive mobo, can easily run $400 or more for a dual opteron board, then you have to use only higher costing ECC RAM, which is better for reliability at the sacrifice of speed, but you do get pro quality components with the shebang, just it is not my cup of tea.

Give me the dual core 939 socket X2-4400 on my soon to be purchased Asus A8N-MVP and I will be mighty satisfied with the results.

 

[DRAGoNX]

For $200 US you can get the Corsair TCCD 2x512mb TwinX XL running 2-2-2-5 up to 215+, 2-3-3-7 up to 230 and up to 275 at 2.5-4-4-7
These are the Samsung TCCD's as the same chips rated at 500MHZ at CAS 2.5

ok i have question about AMD OPTERON 165
the core speed is only 1.8 Ghz and it's single core
how can it be better than 3800+ ?

OMG, you people are stupid! The Opteron 165 is a sck 939 dual core chip. It OC's better than the 3800+ and has 1MB!!! of L2 cache. I like the 1MB of L2 cache opposed to the 512KB of L2 cache on the 3800+.

If you get an Opteron 165+good mobo (A8N32-SLI Deluxe)+SI-120 HS+120mm fan+RAM (OCZ), I garentee it will OC better than a 3800+.

and for the RAM, get the new OCZ 1GB sticks that do 3-3-2-8 at DDR500, they are new fast 1GB sticks, better than older ones.
You would want to get 2 of them to go dual channel and have 2GB of RAM.

-dragonx

 

[RichPLS]

I still like my Corsair TwinX XL which can do 275+mhz at 2.5-4-4-7

 

[DRAGoNX]

I still like my Corsair TwinX XL which can do 275+mhz at 2.5-4-4-7

OK, you can like your Corsair memory, hey, its good memory.

But for someone building a system, 2GB of memory is the way to go. And you can't run 4x512 at 1T command rate. For that you would need 2x1GB, and the new OCZ memory has "almost" the same timings as the 2x512 one, but is a GB stick, so just get 2 of them and you have a nice dual channel setup.

1T vs 2T has more of an impact than 2-2-2-5vs2-3-2-6 at DDR400, in fact, I don't think 2-2-2-5vs2-3-2-6 would really offer much of a performance gain.

-dragonx

 

[RichPLS]

apparenty you can run 4 sticks at 1T with the Asus A8N-MVP board! :lol:

 

[DRAGoNX]

Can I have a link to that board, i'm sure its probably not top of the line, so it's not worth getting JUST to have 1T, 2x1GB is better anyway.

-dragonx

 

[RichPLS]

Asus A8N-MVP



AnandTech Stunning Review

Major overclocker, imo. [/url]

 

[DRAGoNX]

OH, it's an ATI crossfire mobo, no wonder.
I still don't care, the Nforce 4 mobo's are the way to go, Nvidia is in the lead on everything right now.

The A8N32-SLI Deluxe from Asus is the best Nforce 4 mobo out right now. It pretty much OC's better than anything else thanks to it's 8 phase power thingy.

-dragonx

 

[DRAGoNX]

You didn't read it right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It still can't do 4x512 at 1T, they had to drop to 2T.

-dragonx

 

[RichPLS]

Anandtech
The A8R-MVP is a monster of an overclocker - a mainstream board that proves that you don't have to spend a fortune to get incredible flexibility in pushing your system performance to new levels. This is the kind of board that serious overclockers love - a value-priced board that can be coupled to a value-priced AMD Socket 939 Opteron, for example, to get beyond top-of-the-line performance.

It ran at 315mhz ousting out the top nForce boards iincluding the DFI LanParty SLI-DR at 318mhz!

 

[DRAGoNX]

I never said it wasn't a good OCer, YOU said it could run 4 dimms at 1T, I said you were wrong, nowere in any of my posts did I say it was a bad OCer, I said the A8N32 was a good OCer, but I never said the crossfire one wasn't

-dragonx

 

[DRAGoNX]

I have an Idea, why don't you IM me or something so that we can argue it "REAL TIME".

-dragonx

 

[RichPLS]

AnandTech
It is very important that users change the default 2T Command Rate to 1T for best performance. Asus ships the A8R-MVP with 2T enabled to satisfy some memory manufacturers. The board has no trouble running 1T with quality memory, but you have to set the 1T Command Rate manually. All overclocking was performed with the Command Rate at 1T and the Command Rate was verified in AMD Tweaker.

To each his own, I just have an attraction to this type of board... and hope it doesn't disapoint!

 

[DRAGoNX]

Anandtech
Running four double-sided 512MB or 1GB DIMMs is much more demanding than running two DS DIMMs, and Asus did not have any extra magic here. Like every board that we have tested except the DFI RDX200, we needed to drop the Command Rate to 2T with 4 DS DIMMs. With 4 DIMMs, the A8R-MVP remained stable with the same aggressive 2-2-2-7 timings used for two DS DIMMs.

READ and weep!!! 4 dimms requires 2T. I knew i was right.

-dragonx

 

[RichPLS]

So vewy vewy sad indeed.
So, either I am satified at 2t or with only 1 gig RAM...
What therotical performance will I not achieve at 2-2-2-7-1T verses 2-2-2-7-2T if board did support 1T and 4 chips?

 

[DRAGoNX]

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2560&p=2

Click on link, it shows comparison of 1T vs 2T of 2x512 vs 4x512.

-dragonx

EDIT: BTW, 2dimms OC better than 4. 295% better!

 

[RichPLS]

A little relief that it is less than a 4% performance hit.
**wipes eyes**

 

[Rugger]

OMG, you people are stupid!

In response to that I will quote you:

It pretty much OC's better than anything else thanks to it's 8 phase power thingy.

:/

If you get an Opteron 165+good mobo (A8N32-SLI Deluxe)+SI-120 HS+120mm fan+RAM (OCZ), I garentee it will OC better than a 3800+.

And what will this cost? Tell you what - give me the 3800+ and him the Opteron and we'll see who gets the better OC. You haven't accounted for the experience level of the person requesting advice and you're recommending he lay down a lot more money than necessary. In my book, that's a few points short of 90 on the Stanford-Binet scale.

 

[DRAGoNX]

OMG, you people are stupid!

In response to that I will quote you:

It pretty much OC's better than anything else thanks to it's 8 phase power thingy.

:/

If you get an Opteron 165+good mobo (A8N32-SLI Deluxe)+SI-120 HS+120mm fan+RAM (OCZ), I garentee it will OC better than a 3800+.

And what will this cost? Tell you what - give me the 3800+ and him the Opteron and we'll see who gets the better OC. You haven't accounted for the experience level of the person requesting advice and you're recommending he lay down a lot more money than necessary. In my book, that's a few points short of 90 on the Stanford-Binet scale.

We here at teh forms can give him advice on how to get the best OC right? Thats what were all here for right?

And for the 8 phase power thingy, I just couldn't remeber off the top of my head, Anandtech did a pretty good job of reviewing it, check them out for the FULL name.

I was just pointing out the obvious advantages of a 165vs3800+, the 1MB of L2 cache, better OCing.
Its entirely up to the person building the thing wether he/she/it wants to OC it or not, or which direction to take.

-dragonx

 

[RichPLS]

Personally, I would choose the X2-4400 with 2x1meg cache!
That thing would eat that Opteron 165 for lunch, overclocked or not and on that A8R-MVP at 2T to boot! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Rugger]

We here at teh forms can give him advice on how to get the best OC right? Thats what were all here for right?

We're here to help, but that doesn't always mean we have to tell them the parts that will give the ultimate OC. Most people are just looking for the best bang/buck and won't OC. If Miao does, then I doubt he'll have an aggressive OC on 24/7, therefore parts that will provide an easy, stable 10-20% OC will be good for him.

I was just pointing out the obvious advantages of a 165vs3800+, the 1MB of L2 cache, better OCing. Its entirely up to the person building the thing wether he/she/it wants to OC it or not, or which direction to take.

I agree!

 

[DRAGoNX]

Personally, I would choose the X2-4400 with 2x1meg cache!
That thing would eat that Opteron 165 for lunch, overclocked or not and on that A8R-MVP at 2T to boot! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I hate ATI, your are intittled to your own opinion and if you think an ATI mobo is best, than go ahead.

I like Nvidia and AMD, simply because they have managed to play there cards right, up to now...

I HATE Intel. nuff said, and ATI, i'm indifferent, I have an ATI card, but my next will be nvidia.

-dragonx

EDIT:
And I can just see my (to be built) Opteron 175@2.7GHZ, A8N32-SLI Deluxe, 2GB of OCZ RAM at 3-3-2-7 at DDR540, Nvidia 7800GTX 512 edition... Running circles around your 4400+

 

[Rugger]

If I had $2000....

1. Enermax 535W Whisper II model EG565P $89
2. Super-Flower SF-201T for $73
3. Abit AN8 Ultra for $110. Endyen is right - UGuru is a great OC tool for beginners and I'll recommend this one for you. I'd probably end up with the new Asus A8R MVP.
4. OCZ Value VX series 2x1GB for $205
5. A64 4000+ for $334
6. WD Caviar SE16, 250GB for $115
7. eVGA 256-P2-N516 Geforce 7800GT for $319. Pay attention to core/memory clock speeds...
8. Viewsonic VX930b for $410.
9. NEC 3550a. for $43
10. [url=www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102071]Windows XP Pro for $155.

Total: $1853 +S/H. Spend the rest on a good set of speakers or headphones. Spend less by going with the Viewsonic VX924, using current OS and going down to a 3700+. Those three things alone will save you $355.

 

[RichPLS]

Hate issues with manufacturer aside.
**Slides issues off table**

OK, now your talking. So what makes the Opteron 175 a better overclocker than the X2-4400?

They are both dual core, they both have 2x1meg cache, they both are socket 939, and they are both priced within $20 of each other, the Opteron being cheaper.

Does the Opteron 175 really have much more overclocking ability verses the X2?

What are the major physical (Hell or psychological for that matter) differences between these two chips that makes the Opteron better?