The reason this thread was made a sticky was due to the fact that every other post on the first page was this exact same question being asked over and over and over again. It was hoped that making one thread a sticky would prevent others from making more threads asking the same question.
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Wow! I had no clue I could manage a stickie post on Toms Hardware! This is quite possibly the most significant thing I have done in the online world.
I am sorry some think it is not worth it. Quite honestly I expected to see something similar to this in the forum when I started the post a month ago as I expect several people have the exact same question.
I hope it continues to be useful. (it sure helped me out).
I am sorry some think it is not worth it. Quite honestly I expected to see something similar to this in the forum when I started the post a month ago as I expect several people have the exact same question.
I hope it continues to be useful. (it sure helped me out).
How is it that anyone who appoints themselves intellectual, insist on having public access to knowledge destroyed?
There are many, many, many computer users who have absolutely no idea how one works. ( many times I have read this word, "newbie" on many of TGF posts, not to mention the fact of the countless time I have read a post that criticizes the people who have no knowledge and how a burden they/we are.) stickies like this supply wisdom, knowledge and directions in illiterate computer users needs, thus thus given them the knowledge so many of youse have here. So those of you with the knowledge others seek, don't destroy, create.
Nice job TGF, education is free, just bring your own container...
There are many, many, many computer users who have absolutely no idea how one works. ( many times I have read this word, "newbie" on many of TGF posts, not to mention the fact of the countless time I have read a post that criticizes the people who have no knowledge and how a burden they/we are.) stickies like this supply wisdom, knowledge and directions in illiterate computer users needs, thus thus given them the knowledge so many of youse have here. So those of you with the knowledge others seek, don't destroy, create.
Nice job TGF, education is free, just bring your own container...
Whatever... How many people in this thread who are saying "NO VISTA THERES NO POINT! GAMES RUN BETTER ON XP!" are actually using vista?
i am a gamer, i have upgraded to Vista as i was offered a free copy of the X64 Business version from a friend.
i have not had a problem with a single game, and in some cases they run smoothing IMHO.
Im sorry, but no matter what way you look at it vista is a GOOD OS. "its just copying OSX", "there are so many compatibility problems"(i havnt actually found that many, the only thing i havnt been able to get is peerguardian which a vista version of should be released soon anyway)
Vista is a Very good OS.. sure its going to have some teething problems but there is a service pack coming soon.
if you are building a new computer, dont be an idiot and just go with Vista.. why buy a dying OS?
i am a gamer, i have upgraded to Vista as i was offered a free copy of the X64 Business version from a friend.
i have not had a problem with a single game, and in some cases they run smoothing IMHO.
Im sorry, but no matter what way you look at it vista is a GOOD OS. "its just copying OSX", "there are so many compatibility problems"(i havnt actually found that many, the only thing i havnt been able to get is peerguardian which a vista version of should be released soon anyway)
Vista is a Very good OS.. sure its going to have some teething problems but there is a service pack coming soon.
if you are building a new computer, dont be an idiot and just go with Vista.. why buy a dying OS?
I was a Vista user for about 4-5 months and I really wanted to like it. And I think I gave it a fair chance. I think it does take advantage of better hard ware (I could be crazy) but I felt that in basic/multi tasks Vista was able to do this better than XP. However, I use my PC for both gaming and an HTPC and I felt that it ran my games alright but I was having a ton of problems with my HD tuner and out of frustration I went back to XP about a month ago.
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Hi all,
this is the question that is bothering me. Looking to get a new pc with vista, but to try and future proof as much as possible, should I get the 64mb version, or stick with the 32? Id like the computer to last a good three years with out too much upgrading (if thats possible...)
cheers
Adam
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Hi
At the end of the day 64 bit operating systems will be the way to go - whats the point of running a 32 bit os on a 64 bit chip.
The trouble here is compatability - most if has been compiled in a 32 bit compiler and not a 64 bit on.
Some games are though like Riddick - Escape from Butchers Bay is one of the few that contains 64 bit and 32 bit code.
Search on Google for 64 bit compatible games.
Steam automatically updates to 64 bit when the right os has been detected and most games seem to work but I hasten to add not all will, nor will all hardware because it has to be re compiled and to be honest there have been quite a few hardware manufacturers that have gone bust so that old Artec scanner you have you willl have to recycle it as a door stop.
There is a "Compatability" mode in 64 bit but how "Compatible" it is knowing Microsoft - anyone knows.
I went for a 32bit os now becuase of compatability and when in mainstreem the 64 bit will shine - 16gbs of ram - how obscene.
Windows Vista has played all the games that i want to play so far and there a site dedicated to it. Search on google - windows vista compatible games and there are some work around for some others and some just wont play ball.
I run Vista and XP on a dual boot system and it works fine.
By the time 64 bit is in everyones pc I bet 128 bit processors will be released and we will be back where we started. 32 core 128 bit chips are not a underestimation - it will happen.
Hope this helps
Hellboy.
Get the film on DVD its excellent.
At the end of the day 64 bit operating systems will be the way to go - whats the point of running a 32 bit os on a 64 bit chip.
The trouble here is compatability - most if has been compiled in a 32 bit compiler and not a 64 bit on.
Some games are though like Riddick - Escape from Butchers Bay is one of the few that contains 64 bit and 32 bit code.
Search on Google for 64 bit compatible games.
Steam automatically updates to 64 bit when the right os has been detected and most games seem to work but I hasten to add not all will, nor will all hardware because it has to be re compiled and to be honest there have been quite a few hardware manufacturers that have gone bust so that old Artec scanner you have you willl have to recycle it as a door stop.
There is a "Compatability" mode in 64 bit but how "Compatible" it is knowing Microsoft - anyone knows.
I went for a 32bit os now becuase of compatability and when in mainstreem the 64 bit will shine - 16gbs of ram - how obscene.
Windows Vista has played all the games that i want to play so far and there a site dedicated to it. Search on google - windows vista compatible games and there are some work around for some others and some just wont play ball.
I run Vista and XP on a dual boot system and it works fine.
By the time 64 bit is in everyones pc I bet 128 bit processors will be released and we will be back where we started. 32 core 128 bit chips are not a underestimation - it will happen.
Hope this helps
Hellboy.
Get the film on DVD its excellent.
Watch out with the Vista OEM's...the EULA states that if you upgrade your motherboard you have to repurchase the license (different from XP). If you have the retail version of Vista you can migrate it from motherboard to motherboard at your preference. I'm still going with an OEM of Vista since you can afford to buy it twice before the retail becomes more cost effective. Anyway...just FYI.
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xp should of been a pure 64 bit os given all the new driver requirements. However, its not which means that new driver need to written for 32 bit verison as well as 64 biit version. Most hardware will not work with 64 bit version. To me, this is just stupid (to have a 32 bit vista) as obvious choice for now is to stick with xp until the problems with the 64 bit version of vista is worked out. This is not to mention the slow file copy problems which many are experiencing as well as the fact that some critical software does not work with vista. I was promoting the dx-10 concept of vista under this topic in prior posts, but now have to back track and say that dx-10 is not all the dream that was promised and offers little benefit over dx-9 based on current performance tests. I am not saying that projected or future potential has been reached with dx - 10; but just wonder if its not better to invest in a lower budget xp computer that offers the same performance as a high priced vista computer with a dx-10 card that might be outdated by the time any real benefit of dx-10 is realized.
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The only difference is that you pay a lot more for hardware with vista to get same or lessor performance (ie: more ram, dx-10 video card (which has yet to have any clear advantage), etc). Also, some of your existing hardware such printers, camera, scanner, etc may be broken by vista and also have to be upgraded adding more expense. You also need vista home premium or ultimate to get all the eye candy or to do the some of the same things as you could with xp home edition; this adds even more costs.
You'll have to blame hardware vendors more than Vista. Vista was released in January, yet vendors have released compatible drivers as late as May... I bet there are a few that are still working on it. My cousin's Lexmark all-in-one was already established on the market when Vista was released... but he had to wait until the end of May for a driver. MS can take some of the blame... but not quite as much as you're placing.
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hey dsharp0000 I'm not sure you are right with your claim... I can buy an HP 2G a6100y desktop (w/all kinds of additional bells and whistles), a 17" HP LCD wide-screen monitor, HP inkjet printer, AND Vista Home Premium for less than $600 (it includes a full 2 yr in-home HP extended warranty). I can actually dummy-down this system and get it quite a bit cheaper (-$30 for going back to Vista Home Basic; -$28 for a 15" LCD HP monitor; -$60 for 1G), but why?.
Now I've been around for a while and really I do not remember seeing a 2 Gig XP desktop with ink-jet printer and 17" lcd (or analog) monitor with a credible 2yr in-home warranty for anywhere near $600.
Dsharp9000, do you know of any good systems that will support your noise or is it just more of the same bs that you have become famous for?
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Joker,
If no one else will voice the concerns with vista, then I will. I'm sorry if it makes me unpopular; but i dont care. I just want the problems fixed. The cost for the computer you mention leaves out many things such as with xp I could get a lot more bells and whistles and get much better performance at lessor cost. Also, the additional monitor and printer is not important as I have software, high speed printers, camera, scanners, etc and other things that will not work with vista and would cost many more thousands of dollars to replace or upgrade with no real benefit to my business. Its also interesting that home premium would not work for me with vista as I now need to have vista business or ultimate to do the same things that I could do with xp ; yet another hidden cost (this is somewhat disturbing trend as i need access to a lot business applications at home; yet need most expensive version to access these applications). There are also other problems such as with file viewing in vista under a directory format with large thumb nails appearing that are real annoying but am not going to go into here (if you are a user of vista you will know what i am talking about). I have found that opus 9 is away around this problem; but again adds another hidden cost. With that said, I am encouraged by the recent report that there is an update that might fix atleast some of these problems. Look at my recent post in forum. Just hope i'm not jumping the gun with promoting this update in the forum; but am giving it a benefit of a doubt.
If no one else will voice the concerns with vista, then I will. I'm sorry if it makes me unpopular; but i dont care. I just want the problems fixed. The cost for the computer you mention leaves out many things such as with xp I could get a lot more bells and whistles and get much better performance at lessor cost. Also, the additional monitor and printer is not important as I have software, high speed printers, camera, scanners, etc and other things that will not work with vista and would cost many more thousands of dollars to replace or upgrade with no real benefit to my business. Its also interesting that home premium would not work for me with vista as I now need to have vista business or ultimate to do the same things that I could do with xp ; yet another hidden cost (this is somewhat disturbing trend as i need access to a lot business applications at home; yet need most expensive version to access these applications). There are also other problems such as with file viewing in vista under a directory format with large thumb nails appearing that are real annoying but am not going to go into here (if you are a user of vista you will know what i am talking about). I have found that opus 9 is away around this problem; but again adds another hidden cost. With that said, I am encouraged by the recent report that there is an update that might fix atleast some of these problems. Look at my recent post in forum. Just hope i'm not jumping the gun with promoting this update in the forum; but am giving it a benefit of a doubt.
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