Question (New Post) New PC Build Recommendations? / (Old Post)GPU Upgrade Recommendations?

[MajorPager]

I'm probably going to go with the 1050-Ti, it will fit, it's not that expensive, and it doesn't require external power. It's just that VGA swapped with DP issue, and case collision issue, but I've figured both of those out.

 

[Aeacus]

Besides, the one on userbenchmark isn't even the right one that I was talking about. The thing is, the 1050-Ti pictured on there, I can't even find anywhere, its virtually nonexistent.

On Userbenchmark site, or on TechPowerUp (link: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1050-ti.c2885 ) the GTX 1050 Ti image is promotional image released by Nvidia, showcasing FE edition of GTX 1050. Same image (where GPU ports are seen) is also shown on Nvidia website,
link: https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/graphics-cards/geforce-gtx-1050-ti/specifications/

Userbenchmark doesn't differentiate between different AIB models. Instead, it shows the mean average based on user submitted sample pool. If you look the Real World Speed chart, you can see differences in submitted data.

the one that's been linked near the beginning of this post looks far too weak plus it's less usable than the 1050. In fact, all of the 6400's are less usable than the 1050.

Real world testing says otherwise.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMcv0FyRmQQ


GTX 1050 Ti, on average, gets ~20 FPS less than RX 6400. And given that most games get ~60 FPS with RX 6400, 20 FPS drop is huge. It is very noticeable if you have 40 FPS or 60 FPS.

 

[MajorPager]

GTX 1050 Ti, on average, gets ~20 FPS less than RX 6400.

Getting 20 less FPS isn't that bad, right?

 

[Aeacus]

Getting 20 less FPS isn't that bad, right?

If you'd get 100+ FPS on average, then 20 FPS less doesn't make much difference. But the fact that you'd get ~60 FPS average, 20 FPS is 1/3 of it, and it will be noticeable.

Just check the video i linked. If you'd be happy by the slowness/jittering as seen on GTX 1050 Ti testing, sure, you can get GTX 1050 Ti. I wouldn't.

 

[MajorPager]

If you'd get 100+ FPS on average, then 20 FPS less doesn't make much difference. But the fact that you'd get ~60 FPS average, 20 FPS is 1/3 of it, and it will be noticeable.

The thing is, with the card I'm using now, I don't even get 60 FPS, I only get around 40 or 35 max. The most hardware reliant games I play on my PC are Fallout, GTA, and PZ, which I all have on medium settings and they seem decent, with my system, its surprising.

Although now that you say it, I might go with the 6400, specifically this one https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Radeon-6400-Graphics-Memory/dp/B09PSHYHLM?th=1

 

[MajorPager]

I've just encountered a slight problem. There seems to be two tall capacitors just above the GP on my MB and I don't think the 6400 has enough clearance to avoid them.

 

[stonecarver]

You should post a picture of your motherboard and point out the pit falls of putting in a GPU.

Most of the reasons your fighting is why I no longer have the 745, and EOL.

 

[MajorPager]

This is the problem with the two tall capacitors.

This is the problem with the CPU heatsink.

This is the problem with the rear of the case.

Zoomed out image of the computer.

Zoomed in image of the computer.

 

[stonecarver]

Is this the desktop model or the SFF of the Dell 745. From the one I worked on to what you have just posted man even worse your workability inside there. Do you have room under that sideways PCI daughter card for new two slot card even If the caps were not in the way. Man I love pet projects and getting them to function but that one would have me mounting the new GPU outside the case with a PCI-E riser board and cable.
Or start looking for a Nvidia Quadro single slot card, No not the best but for what you need to shimmy it into I have seen single slot 4/8 Gb used cards out there.

 

[MajorPager]

This is the large desktop variant of the 745. I can take the PCI card extension out or I can raise it. (since I'm the one who mounted it in there)
The thing is do you think I could get the new card in there by taking the riser card off the back wall and by moving the capacitors slightly to the left or up? (Since I can move them around a little just by poking them)
I don't necessarily want to mount the new GPU on a riser board since I've seen a lot of problems with them, but if I have to I will. And if I have to do that I might as well go all out by getting an even better card and new PSU.

I might possibly take all of your advices and just build a new computer, and use this one as a secondary email / movie / music computer.

 

[Aeacus]

I might possibly take all of your advices and just build a new computer, and use this one as a secondary email / movie / music computer.

Far less hassle this way. Also, if you buy new PC as parts and assemble yourself, you can make a custom build for your needs, without the restrictions as you're seeing in your Dell prebuilt.

Although now that you say it, I might go with the 6400, specifically this one https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Radeon-6400-Graphics-Memory/dp/B09PSHYHLM?th=1

RX 6400 Low Profile? If so, it shouldn't give you mounting issues.

Btw, your link directs to RX 6500XT ITX, which is dual-slot GPU and needs once PCI-E 6-pin power connector. But on the same page, there are RX 6400 and Low Profile versions as well.

 

[MajorPager]

there are RX 6400 and Low Profile versions as well.

Can't go with those, they are about as weak as the card I have now.

Btw, your link directs to RX 6500XT ITX

I didn't notice that, this should be the right one https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-R...are-us-8691940204519364000-20&geniuslink=true

without the restrictions as you're seeing in your Dell prebuilt.

I would still see restrictions, as I still use old IDE drives, which almost all modern computers don't have support for them. But building new wouldn't be half bad.

 

[stonecarver]

I might just go back to my old desktop, which still runs Windows Vista, or possibly my old laptop which still runs Windows 7. They both get the job done, besides, a little lag never hurt. Although, crazy enough, I've had way more problems with 10 and 11 than I've had with XP, Vista, and 7 combined. Hence why I dislike any newer machines, and still use older machines.

Your in a rock and a hard place. I totally agree with Aeacus on so many levels. Get something modern and newer that you will be happier with in the end but also, what you have is what you have.

This is why I mentioned the Nvidia 900's as the last XP supported card with modded drivers.

What I have tried to stick to is you don't seem to like windows 10 or 11 and that = modern new GPU's don't have XP or windows 7 drivers.

If you do install windows 10/11 on that Dell than yes get the new modern GPU. Again I totally agree with Aeacus.

Something to think about out there on the used market are so many complete systems for sale with 32Gb's of memory, a SSD boot drive and a GPU from the last 3/4 years that the complete cost of the system is what you would be paying for a new card for the Dell 745 alone.

 

[MajorPager]

on the used market are so many complete systems for sale with 32Gb's of memory, a SSD boot drive and a GPU from the last 3/4 years

Despite what system is out there, people want a pretty penny for them.

modern new GPU's don't have XP or windows 7 drivers

I know this, that's the reason why I use these OS's on older systems.

that the complete cost of the system is what you would be paying for a new card for the Dell 745 alone.

Yes I do understand that, but the 745 is actually the best computer I have ever used, in the sense of that its cheap.

But if I'm either going to buy an assembled system or build my own, without using my price range, what would I get?

Also, does Biostar still make computer products?

 

[MajorPager]

Questions:

Would this be a good CPU? Link

Would this be a good Main Board? Link

Would this be a good PSU? Link

Would this be a good GPU? Link

Would this be good RAM? Link

And I can take care of the fan / case / OS / hard drive situation with the parts I already have.

 

[Unolocogringo]

Each of my computers have been the best I have ever had.
But most I gave away, I still have a few "Favorites" in the basement on shelves retired but still functional.
Biostar is still alive and kicking.

All of your parts are compatible .
I did not see memory listed.

 

[MajorPager]

I did not see memory listed.

Yes, I almost forgot about it, it should be there now, or here. Link

 

[stonecarver]

That's a nice system you listed. It would blow your mind from the Dell 745 and yes I still have a fondness for the old girl.

I also want to show you what a cheap used system I was referring to would look like. I help a lot of people out that just need a computer and not the latest greatest but a good strong system.

Security Measure

www.ebay.com

 

[Unolocogringo]

That's a nice system you listed. It would blow your mind from the Dell 745 and yes I still have a fondness for the old girl.

I also want to show you what a cheap used system I was referring to would look like. I help a lot of people out that just need a computer and not the latest greatest but a good strong system.

Security Measure

www.ebay.com

We have a similar place not too far from me.( hour away) in Athens.

Free I.T. Athens

Promoting Technology Re-use and Free Software Since 2005

www.freeitathens.org

 

[Aeacus]

Questions:

Would this be a good CPU? Link

Would this be a good Main Board? Link

Would this be a good PSU? Link

Would this be a good GPU? Link

Would this be good RAM? Link

And I can take care of the fan / case / OS / hard drive situation with the parts I already have.

With Z790 chipset MoBo, better get 13th gen CPU, e.g i5-13600K, rather than 12th gen i5-12600K. But 12th gen CPU will work on that MoBo too.
Diff between the two CPUs (you'd et 4 extra cores with 13th gen), link: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-12600K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-13600K/4120vs4134

RAM wise, DDR5 at 4800 Mhz is JEDEC default. 5600/6000 Mhz RAM would be better fit. Also, i wouldn't buy the cheap A-Tech RAM.
Topic about A-Tech, link: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/is-atech-ram-good.3748435/

I see that you picked Intel ARC A750 GPU. It is equal to RTX 3060 but costs ~20 bucks less. I, personally, have reservations about A750 since it has had driver issues, severe ones. But latest word is that drivers issues, for the most part, have been fixed. Still, i, personally, prefer the old dog (Nvidia) rather than the new kid on the block (Intel ARC).

PSU is good quality and MoBo has loads of features (since it's Z-series).

Oh, which CPU cooler are you planning to get? Since none of the K-series CPUs come with a CPU cooler.

 

[MajorPager]

12th gen i5-12600K

Only reason I chose this one was because it was cheaper.

I see that you picked Intel ARC A750 GPU

I also chose this because it was cheap, couldn't find a good one that wasn't under $400.

Oh, which CPU cooler are you planning to get? Since none of the K-series CPUs come with a CPU cooler.

I thought that all CPU's came with a cooler, you telling me that I'm gonna have to tear one out of one of my old systems?

 

[MajorPager]

I think this CPU has a cooler included. Link

I think this RAM should suffice. Link

I think this GPU should be good. Link

 

[Aeacus]

I thought that all CPU's came with a cooler, you telling me that I'm gonna have to tear one out of one of my old systems?

12th and 13th gen use LGA1700 socket and i doubt highly that any of the CPU coolers you have, fit the LGA1700 socket. Unless you take one off from LGA1700 system.

I think this CPU has a cooler included. Link

Yes, since it isn't K-series. Downside is that you can't OC the CPU. Though, upside is that you don't need to get expensive Z-series MoBo, but can get away with cheaper, B- or H-series MoBo as well.

Compatible chipsets are;
600-series: B660, H670, Z690;
700-series: B760, H770, Z790.
There is H610 chipset as well, but it is barebones and i don't suggest getting it.

I think this GPU should be good. Link

RTX 4060 Ti.... waste of silicon.

Review:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2b0MWGwK_U


On it's best day, RTX 4060 Ti is equal to RTX 3070. On it's worst day, it's equal to RTX 3060 Ti, while costing more.

We normally say a 20% improvement is the minimum you'd need to really feel the difference. Compared to the RTX 3060 Ti, at least without enabling DLSS 3 and Frame Generation, the 4060 Ti mostly fails to reach that level of performance. That's unfortunate, and it probably also helps explain why Nvidia isn't increasing the generational pricing by $100 or more like it did with the RTX 4070 and higher GPUs.

Across the nine rasterization games, at 1080p ultra the 4060 Ti leads the previous generation 3060 Ti by anywhere from 6% (Horizon Zero Dawn) to 17% (Flight Simulator). At 1080p medium, the range is from 1% (HZD) to 15% (Far Cry 6).

Source, TH review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-review/4

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Super: This GPU offers solid 1080p gaming performance and is a good choice for budget-conscious gamers. It provides a good balance between price and performance.

When suggesting GTX 16-series, better to suggest GTX 1660 Ti, which is a bit better than GTX 1660 Super. Also GTX 1660 Ti is solid for 1080p gaming. I have GTX 1660 Ti for this reason.

 

[MajorPager]

Yes, since it isn't K-series. Downside is that you can't OC the CPU. Though, upside is that you don't need to get expensive Z-series MoBo, but can get away with cheaper, B- or H-series MoBo as well.

This took me a hot minute to figure out what you were saying. I don't ever OC any of my CPU's and I think the Z series MB would be fine, I can upgrade the CPU if need be.

RTX 4060 Ti.... waste of silicon.

Well then, what graphics card should I get that's powerful enough and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

 

[MajorPager]

Also, if I were to upgrade the CPU, how in the world would I do it? I've never done it before and I would feel really on edge if I were to do it.