Next Snapdragon CPU: 2.5GHz, 75% Less Power

[livingdead46]

Wow shortsighted much?
YES we want progress. YES we want dual cores. As phones become more powerful, more applications will be made available. Better graphics will follow, more integration of everything you do on the computer will be on your phone.
You guys remind of the Bill Gates, and I quote "640K ought to be enough for anybody." 1981[citation][nom]midspace[/nom]No doubt Nintendo will use quadcores in their upcoming Wii(2) console, and support some real HD.Am expecting iPhone 6 to support two front facing cameras for 3D video and playback. This processor can see that as a reality.[/citation]

OMG this has to be the worst comparison I've ever seen. I'm not going to be writing documents, applications, and games with my CELL PHONE. All a quad core cell phone is going to do is drain you batter faster. Active running applications (the ones you are using and not running in the background) are almost never going to use more than 2 threads on a cell phone (For those of you who don't understand computer science there are technical reasons why 90% of the apps today are still single and dual threaded only). And background apps? These use almost no cpu power and why should they? It doesn't take much power to watch for traffic jams alert you for msgs etc... I'm not running folding or seti on my phone.

Tablets are a completely different story and yes faster cpus and more core cpus make sense here. But for a phone? please, give me battery life and a dual core and I'm happier than having wasted computing power.

 

[Caffeinecarl]

A 20 MP camera on a cell phone is about the worst idea I've ever heard. Yeah, great if you want pictures that take up excessive amounts of space with enough noise to make the images look like sandpaper at ISO 25, and still no real details due to the fact that the optics are garbage.

Still, the ability to crank out that type of resolution with that size sensor translated to say, a next generation full-frame (or even APS-C) size DSLR in a quick and efficient way would be great.

 

[cburke82]

a 20mp camera my 3mp camera takes better pictures than some of these 5s and 8s on phones id like some good image stabilization and whatever makes my 3mp camera take better pictures than the 8s i dont know much about cameras so i dont exactly know what its called someone was telling me its something about the shutter. either way id rather have a 5 that works right than a 20 that takes blurry pictures

Its in the lens. Cannon cameras take great pictures and it because they have really good lenses so a $200 5mp Cannon will take better pics than a $120 5MP off brand. So if you look at the lens of your 3MP and compair it to your phone your phones lens is really really small. The small lens allows less light and detail in. The mega pixel count only refers to the total amount of detail possible, if the lens is crap the pic still sucks. Thats why professional SLR cameras are not getting much smaller, they NEED that big old lens to take great pictures.

 

[cburke82]

talk about short sighted.
the phone/tablet would dock into something that has hdmi out and plugged into the wall for recharge, this doc would also have the device in it to read the controllers signals.

in all honesty, its possible. the ps3 basically has 512 mb of ram in it, to do 1080p graphics, it needs 1gb, which isnt that big of a leap. and if you are talking tablet size, than its even more doable.

what i really want to see is how these arm cpus compare to intel and amd. i mean these things are small and require next to no cooling, you could put 4 into a motherboard and probably not equal 1 higher end intel, and you would get 16cores (armcpus tend to sell for sub 100$ after long, because of the cellphone market)

Saying 4 cores and 2.5ghz does not mean they are anywhere close to the CPU's in a PC. If we are going to take that route my Phenom is better than a i5. Its at 4.1ghz and it has 4 cores. But we all know my phenom would get smashed by the new i5 because the amount of cores and GHZ aren't the whole story. And again if your thinking of a dock my point still stands, because with a dock all the important stuff would still be in the phone. If all the important stuff is in the phone then that means it is all really small. That means 2 things it would be super expensive and you would still be able to have way more power in a regular sized console. Take laptops for example, can you build a laptop to paly any game out, yes you can. Will it be as powerfull as a PC of the same cost nope.

So im not short sited at all, it could be done but it wont. They could make consoles much much more powerful than they do now. But they dont because they dont want consoles to be to expensive. They all ready are close to cost on consoles they make all the money on the games. Something like what you are talking about would be twice as expensive as the same system in a regular console, or be much less powerfull for the same price.

 

[cburke82]

Nah, not so plain and simple. All you need is one of the following:
1. High Res Built-in projector
2. Wireless connectivity to your 40"+ screen
3. Someone to develop hi res glasses that make you think you're looking at something 40"+

1. High Res Built-in projector

Would be close to impossible if not impossible to get a HD quality projector in a cell phone and not have it be crazy huge to the point you would not want to carry it around. And if they were to do it it would be something you would have to take a loan out to buy.

2. Wireless connectivity to your 40"+ screen

This could happen a lot of phones already have a HDMI out. But look at laptops they can be built to play any game, but at twice the cost of the non portable version. So lets say a PS4 would cost $700 when if first came out the super small version would prob be close to $1400. I think all this new tech is great for one reason. If these small CPU's get more powerfull then the AMD's and Intel's have to keep pace and that will give us better and better gaming on full size solutions. But the comparison between laptops and desktops shows us that is can be done but that the full size version will be much more powerfull or much cheeper no matter what.

3. Someone to develop hi res glasses that make you think you're looking at something 40"

This was just funny .

 

[mikem_90]

[citation][nom]adamboy64[/nom]Ah, yes indeed. With this new more efficient chip, I'd like to see a ultra efficient 1Ghz version. I want more battery life![/citation]

I just imagine this being said by Roy Batty to his (cellphone) maker.

 

[jimsocks]

Its the future. One day we wont even need desktops anymore.

 

[mikem_90]

[citation][nom]proton9[/nom]do we really need quad core cpus in our mobiles? seriously?[/citation]

Just like the ancient civilization that worked themselves into extinction converting Mars into a giant spaceship, "Because it's cool!"

All silliness aside, most of the multi-cores will go into tablets, though seeing the threshold of what an app developer can do on the local cellphone processor Increase, it can often open the ability to do more we never thought about doing locally.

Believe me, give a developer more room, they'll find a way to fill it up. The wise ones will fine new innovative things to make, the not so smart ones will just make more realistic fart sound apps.

 

[jimsocks]

I think it all depends on ports. If these superphones all have hdmi out and support bluetoth gamepads. It could give gaming devices a run for their money. Then theirs all the docking stuff,where you can dock your,phone into a laptop

 

[cburke82]

I think it all depends on ports. If these superphones all have hdmi out and support bluetoth gamepads. It could give gaming devices a run for their money. Then theirs all the docking stuff,where you can dock your,phone into a laptop

The phone docking to a laptop is a joke. The motorola that does it cost more than a laptop and is stuck with 48GB of memory WEAK. Get cheeper get better or GTFO

 

[feeddagoat]

[citation][nom]rohitbaran[/nom]Well, the 75% less power sounds good. These days, smartphone battery life is between 1-2 day for average to heavy usage. Low power components are totally welcome.[/citation]

+1 to that. Couple it with motorola atrix idea of "carrying your desktop with you". Soon orange box on android! =D

 

[Guest]

What the hell is wrong with some of you, its a quad core thats 75% more power efficient it's giving you both battery life and power and yet you guys still bitch. I'm going to go get on all your lawns now.

 

[nicklasd87]

[citation][nom]internetlad[/nom]He never said that, why do people keep quoting this?And as far as needing this tech in a PHONE. no.In a multifunction personal device with included communications then yes. Seriously, they should just stop calling them phones, they're not even good for making calls anymore. It's more screen than phone and they're static flat not curved to your face, last time i checked i wasn't an NES character with a perfectly flat area from my mouth to ear.[/citation]

You must have horrible acne if you're attempting to keep your phone flush with your face

 

[jimsocks]

Well the motorola was a joke. but eventually somebody will get it right. Might even be ms with wp8.

 

[cburke82]

Well the motorola was a joke. but eventually somebody will get it right. Might even be ms with wp8.

If someone could come out with a solution that gave you similar power and storage as a full laptop for close or maybe a little bit rome in the price department that would be great. Or make the less powerful lower storage much cheaper then you have a good product Moer expensive with less power and less storage? Then you have a gimmick lol

 

[dark_lord69]

"console-quality gaming to mobile devices"
lol
I'll believe it when I see it.
Although a CPU like this in a tablet would finally make a tablet worth purchasing.

 

[rosen380]

When you say the laptop is twice the price, are you including that the laptop essentially comes with a monitor? I configured an Inspiron 560 and an Inspiron 17R as similarly as possible. The desktop has a bigger monitor 18.5" vs 17" for the laptop, but lets just figure that that is balanced out by the value of the built-in battery in the laptop.

Desktop $528, Laptop $670. So, not even remotely close to double...

 

[mikem_90]

[citation][nom]dark_lord69[/nom]"console-quality gaming to mobile devices"lolI'll believe it when I see it.Although a CPU like this in a tablet would finally make a tablet worth purchasing.[/citation]

If anything, increased performance and power consumption might drive prices for existing hardware down. Don't forget that.

 

[mikeccuk2005]

very low cache device !

 

[cburke82]

When you say the laptop is twice the price, are you including that the laptop essentially comes with a monitor? I configured an Inspiron 560 and an Inspiron 17R as similarly as possible. The desktop has a bigger monitor 18.5" vs 17" for the laptop, but lets just figure that that is balanced out by the value of the built-in battery in the laptop.

Desktop $528, Laptop $670. So, not even remotely close to double...

What you just posted means nothing. If you were to post links to the 2 that would let people compair apples to apples. You say as close as possible but how close is that? I was on dell just now and it seems the storage on there laptops is close to half of the desktop options. The GPU's are super weak and the CPU's are the mobile version of the Desktop CPU. I was talking about gaming consoles/computers. That $670 laptop would turn into a $1000 laptop with any decent gaming setup wile a decent gaming PC can be built for $500. And the higher end gaming laptops can go over $2000 real fast and give you performance that could be found in a $1000-$1200 Desktop. If your not gaming you can get a netbook for $300 cheeper than that Desktop. The comment was that in the world of gaming you will not get the best price VS performance in small/portable setups.

Ibuypower is cheaper than dell so ill use them to make a point.

http://www.ibuypower.com/IbpPages/Notebook.aspx

Look at the Battalion 101 P151HM1 price $1499 but what does it come with?

Weak 2.2ghz i7 not sandy bridge
GPU: 460m so its weaker than the desktop version of the 460
RAM: 8GB 1333
HDD: 750MB

Now lets built somthing close to that or better in a desktop.

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115076 $184
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138313 $59
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145279 $89
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162078 $134
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045 $45
CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146061 $35
CD/DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136238 $20
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533R $60

Total = $626 + 10% markup = $688

Thats less than half price with profit and I would be willing to bet alot of money this build would outperform the laptop. Is this a top notch built no is it better than the laptop I listed yes. Faster CPU more storage space, will run cooler and get better FPS in games. I would like to see a laptop with close to those specs for $800-900

Thats in the form of a laptop your taliking about a phone so how much more expensive to shrink the hardware in that laptop down to the size of a phone??? I think you would find it would be more like 3-4 times the cost. I will gladly eat my words if a cell phone sized solution complete with dock is ever close to the price of a full on gaming console wile giving the same quality and performance. When I say complete with dock I mean its not sold as an accessory. The Axiom that has a dock is a $600 cell phone that is subsidized by the carrier and you still have to buy a $600 dock. I can tell you that Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony will not be subsidizing like cell phone companies anytime soon unless they start to require a service like the cell phone companies do. At that point that gets added to the cost so it still counts as expensive.

 

[Guest]

I think some people are forgetting that the CPU can be downclocked to save energy. What this means, it can give a better experience as it provides only enough power to run certain tasks. Then in a situation in which you need a more powerful cpu and gpu, the core is set to a higher clock. If its really true that there is 75% energy savings, you're going to see a huge jump in battery life in terms of standby time, talk-time, or low intensity applications and a huge speed improvement in mobile gaming and high intensity applications.

 

[fulle]

Alright, so on a desktop the point where a CPU starts becoming a bottleneck in regular office applications, and web apps... is around the early core2duos. For a lot of people, anything faster wouldn't result in an improved user experience, since they're playing Angry Birds, or browsing facebook... not playing PC games, or running heavy professional software.

Consider that the normal home computer user. Now, looking at early benchmarks we can assume that these quad core ARM processors are going to perform somewhere in the ballpark of a 1.6GHz Core2Duo. But, the apps they run are lighter than on a desktop... so the user experience browsing the web, and running these light applications is going to be pretty good.

I can see devices similar to the eee transformer really taking off once we start seeing devices with that sort of concept backed by the "just good enough" performance of a quad core ARM. Its something that gets great battery life, browses the web smoothly, plays HD video content, is ultra portable, has an easy to use gui...

As far as gaming potential... well, a PS2 can calculate what? 30 million triangles per second. A Galaxy S can theoretically produce 90. With various companies like Samsung, Nvidia, and Ti all spouting that they're going to increase performance by another 4x of a Galaxy S... and you're looking at 300+ easy, when a PS3 calculates around 250.

I'm not saying that these things are going to be more powerful graphics powerhouses than a PS3, but... besting a Wii... seems easily possible.

So, you could theoretically have a device that you use all day as your smartphone, camera, and portable gaming device, that you can dock with a larger screen and keyboard to use as a laptop, that can hook to a TV and then be used as a full blown media center and gaming console.... doing all the tasks pretty well too... around next Christmas.

Yeah, lets bitch about that. It's going to suck.

 

[schmich]

[citation][nom]proton9[/nom]do we really need quad core cpus in our mobiles? seriously?[/citation]
You did notice how it also says single and dual core? Also it's not really a big issue having 4 cores as when you don't use one it will go to sleep. Considering the raw power of these devices you will also see more devices like the Atrix that can do more than phone stuff whether it's for a desktop experience or console-quality gaming.

 

[aftcomet]

7.1 on a tablet... why?

 

[back_by_demand]

OK, have a dock for the phone which attaches to a monitor, keyboard and mouse, external HDD, external optical drive and the phone is simply your home PC.

Only a couple of years ago a dual core 2.5GHz would have been the bomb, so as long as you can make the dock have all the bandwidth of a CPU socket I think we could be onto the end of the PC as we know it.