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People that say that the DS does not have analog control are either ignorant
or lying. All you need to do is check out Mario64 on it to see that it
does.

Please stop lying, Jojo, et al.
 
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Fred Liken wrote:
>
> People that say that the DS does not have analog control are either ignorant
> or lying. All you need to do is check out Mario64 on it to see that it
> does.
>
> Please stop lying, Jojo, et al.

who cares? This is a ps2 group.
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Fred Liken wrote:
> People that say that the DS does not have analog control are either ignorant
> or lying. All you need to do is check out Mario64 on it to see that it
> does.
>
> Please stop lying, Jojo, et al.

One, why is this in a PS2 group?

Two, if there is an analog stick/control/doo-hickey on the DS, please
post a picture of it since on all the DS *I've* seen, I've yet to
notice any analog device.

Three, your troll-dom is almost complete. I figure one more anti-PSP
post and you're there.
 
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In article <42c02f28$0$725$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
>
>People that say that the DS does not have analog control are either ignorant
>or lying. All you need to do is check out Mario64 on it to see that it
>does.
>
>Please stop lying, Jojo, et al.
>
>
I've said many times before that the touch screen is no substitute for a real
analog stick. Please keep up Fred. Here is a little blurb from the IGN review
of it since your so hell bent on proof of everything.

"Though the Nintendo DS developers pull off the game's original control
structure extraordinarily well on a system without an analog stick, it still
feels like a compromise and begs the question,"if this is your killer app to
show off the system, why the heck didn't you include one in the first place?"

It doesn't make it a bad game but after playing it on the N64 I didn't want to
play it without the analog control or a good version of that analog control.
 
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In article <42c02f28$0$725$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
>
>People that say that the DS does not have analog control are either ignorant
>or lying. All you need to do is check out Mario64 on it to see that it
>does.
>
>Please stop lying, Jojo, et al.
>
>
Some of those good games they showed at E3 will be the only thing to turn me
around on the DS(that lawyer game and that Doctor/surgeon game).
 
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Robert P Holley wrote:
>
> Fred Liken wrote:
> > People that say that the DS does not have analog control are either ignorant
> > or lying. All you need to do is check out Mario64 on it to see that it
> > does.
> >
> > Please stop lying, Jojo, et al.
>
> One, why is this in a PS2 group?
>
> Two, if there is an analog stick/control/doo-hickey on the DS, please
> post a picture of it since on all the DS *I've* seen, I've yet to
> notice any analog device.
>
> Three, your troll-dom is almost complete. I figure one more anti-PSP
> post and you're there.

I just did a little hunt to see what the fuss is about... is this the
thing?

http://www.gameboy-advance.net/nintendo_ds/dreaming/nds-analog-joystick.htm

seems to be a dream

on a super mario ds page

"With no analogue controller you have the choice to use just the D-pad
or the stylus."

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-------------------------------------------------------
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"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In article <42c02f28$0$725$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
> fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
>>
>>People that say that the DS does not have analog control are either
>>ignorant
>>or lying. All you need to do is check out Mario64 on it to see that it
>>does.
>>
>>Please stop lying, Jojo, et al.
>>
>>
> I've said many times before that the touch screen is no substitute for a
> real
> analog stick. Please keep up Fred. Here is a little blurb from the IGN
> review
> of it since your so hell bent on proof of everything.
>
> "Though the Nintendo DS developers pull off the game's original control
> structure extraordinarily well on a system without an analog stick, it
> still
> feels like a compromise and begs the question,"if this is your killer app
> to
> show off the system, why the heck didn't you include one in the first
> place?"
>
> It doesn't make it a bad game but after playing it on the N64 I didn't
> want to
> play it without the analog control or a good version of that analog
> control.

The analog control is "good". It's quite good. Is there a quick learning
curve? True.

The fact is that you haven't even tried. Your mind was made up before and
you're just being an ignorant twit now. :)
 
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"Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote in message
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>> Please stop lying, Jojo, et al.
>
> One, why is this in a PS2 group?

That's where Jojo is and where he's said it lacks analog control. Duh.
People in the Nintendo group already know the DS has analog control.

> Two, if there is an analog stick/control/doo-hickey on the DS, please
> post a picture of it since on all the DS *I've* seen, I've yet to
> notice any analog device.

http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/ds/images/thumb_use.gif

> Three, your troll-dom is almost complete. I figure one more anti-PSP
> post and you're there.

What was anti-PSP about this post, silly kook?
 
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"Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message

> on a super mario ds page
>
> "With no analogue controller you have the choice to use just the D-pad
> or the stylus."

Quite spreading misinformation. It makes you look like a troll.
 
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"Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message

>> Then play it the way it was made to be played, with the analog control.
>
> Fred, don't be a dick, it has a touch screen, we know that,

Yes, you use the touch screen just like the PSP analog control nub. When
you place your thumb on it, it even shows you the bounds of the stick.

you know
> that and you've about as much chance of winning this argument as you
> have of convincing us that you are not being a prat

You're just spreading misinformation and your heatedness is ridiculous. Did
you even view the image from Nintendo.com that proves the DS has analog
control?
 
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Fred Liken wrote:
>
> "Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> > on a super mario ds page
> >
> > "With no analogue controller you have the choice to use just the D-pad
> > or the stylus."
>
> Quite spreading misinformation. It makes you look like a troll.

you would be funny if you didn't take yourself so seriously. I
searched for a long time to find anything pointing to true analogue
control. A touch screen is not an analogue controller Fred, and this
claling people who reply negatively to your claims trolls is getting
old
--
Paul (And I'm, like, "yeah, whatever!")
-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
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"Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

>> "Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> > on a super mario ds page
>> >
>> > "With no analogue controller you have the choice to use just the D-pad
>> > or the stylus."
>>
>> Quite spreading misinformation. It makes you look like a troll.
>
> you would be funny if you didn't take yourself so seriously.

You'd be a lot cooler if you realized I don't.

> I
> searched for a long time to find anything pointing to true analogue
> control.

Yes, it has true analog control. As true as analog control as the PSP or
N64 has. It even shows you in the instructions exactly how to use the
analog controller for the DS.

How could you not find that info?

> A touch screen is not an analogue controller Fred,

Um, it has the same exact properties as the PSP analog controller, so what
is your claim that it isn't an analog controller? You use them exactly the
same for the exact same result. You're spreading misinformation, but can't
back up your claims.
 
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In article <42c1643d$0$742$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:Ge1we.3943$Eo.541@fed1read04...
>> In article <42c02f28$0$725$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
>> fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
>>>
>>>People that say that the DS does not have analog control are either
>>>ignorant
>>>or lying. All you need to do is check out Mario64 on it to see that it
>>>does.
>>>
>>>Please stop lying, Jojo, et al.
>>>
>>>
>> I've said many times before that the touch screen is no substitute for a
>> real
>> analog stick. Please keep up Fred. Here is a little blurb from the IGN
>> review
>> of it since your so hell bent on proof of everything.
>>
>> "Though the Nintendo DS developers pull off the game's original control
>> structure extraordinarily well on a system without an analog stick, it
>> still
>> feels like a compromise and begs the question,"if this is your killer app
>> to
>> show off the system, why the heck didn't you include one in the first
>> place?"
>>
>> It doesn't make it a bad game but after playing it on the N64 I didn't
>> want to
>> play it without the analog control or a good version of that analog
>> control.
>
>The analog control is "good". It's quite good. Is there a quick learning
>curve? True.
>
>The fact is that you haven't even tried. Your mind was made up before and
>you're just being an ignorant twit now. :)
>
>

Tried it for over three hours and it just doesnt work as well as an analog
joystick would. Read any review for this game from any website and they
mention the poor control. Get over it already.
 
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"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Tried it for over three hours and it just doesnt work as well as an analog
> joystick would.

Wow, wonder what your problem was. Did you use the dongle?

> Read any review for this game from any website and they
> mention the poor control. Get over it already.

That game had poor control on the N64. What's your point?
 
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Fred Liken wrote:
>
> "Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>
> >> "Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>
> >> > on a super mario ds page
> >> >
> >> > "With no analogue controller you have the choice to use just the D-pad
> >> > or the stylus."
> >>
> >> Quite spreading misinformation. It makes you look like a troll.
> >
> > you would be funny if you didn't take yourself so seriously.
>
> You'd be a lot cooler if you realized I don't.
>
> > I
> > searched for a long time to find anything pointing to true analogue
> > control.
>
> Yes, it has true analog control. As true as analog control as the PSP or
> N64 has. It even shows you in the instructions exactly how to use the
> analog controller for the DS.
>
> How could you not find that info?
>
> > A touch screen is not an analogue controller Fred,
>
> Um, it has the same exact properties as the PSP analog controller, so what
> is your claim that it isn't an analog controller? You use them exactly the
> same for the exact same result. You're spreading misinformation, but can't
> back up your claims.

Look, a controller is a stick/button which controls things. a screen
is a screen. You could argue that the stylus replaces the controller
and you may have a point, but they're not the same thing. How does the
analogue work on the screen? if you press harder on the screen you go,
what? Through the screen? analogue is a pressure thing isn't it? A
mechanical process against a digital process?

Anyway, none of this means anything to me. I have no real interest
other than you starting a new thread on an argument which is totally
irrelevant to this newsgroup, other than you seem to want the psp to
fail and the ds to succeed.
--
Paul (And I'm, like, "yeah, whatever!")
-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/
 
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"Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

>> Um, it has the same exact properties as the PSP analog controller, so
>> what
>> is your claim that it isn't an analog controller? You use them exactly
>> the
>> same for the exact same result. You're spreading misinformation, but
>> can't
>> back up your claims.
>
> Look, a controller is a stick/button which controls things. a screen
> is a screen.

Not when the screen is also controller. Must be warping your mind.

> You could argue that the stylus replaces the controller
> and you may have a point,

Now, the stylus is not the way to use the analog control of the DS. The
thumb is, just like on the PSP.

> but they're not the same thing.

> How does the analogue work on the screen?

Just like it works on the PSP. You move your thumb one dicrection and it
moves in that direction. The farther from the dead spot you move your
thumb, the more you'll move in that direction.

> if you press harder on the screen you go,
> what? Through the screen?

If you press harder on the PSP nub you go, what, through the PSP? You're
not even making sense now.

> analogue is a pressure thing isn't it?

Um, no...

> A mechanical process against a digital process?

Um, no...

The N64 and the PSP both use "digital processes" in their analog
controllers. Same as the DS uses. All they do is assign a value to an X
and Y axis. In a "digital" controller the values are either -1 0 or 1. In
the analog controllers they assign intermediate values, just like the DS
analog controller works.

> Anyway, none of this means anything to me. I have no real interest
> other than you starting a new thread on an argument which is totally
> irrelevant to this newsgroup,

Yes it most definitely is relevant to this group. Comparisons of products
to their competitors is very much on topic. Clearing up misinformation
about a competitor only helps people better understand the positions that
the two products have and relative aspects of each.

> other than you seem to want the psp to fail and the ds to succeed.

You're just a binary thinker. It's sad. Why would I want the PSP to fail?
More competition equals more innovation.
 
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In article <42c178f1$0$723$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
>
>"Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>
>>> "Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>
>>> > on a super mario ds page
>>> >
>>> > "With no analogue controller you have the choice to use just the D-pad
>>> > or the stylus."
>>>
>>> Quite spreading misinformation. It makes you look like a troll.
>>
>> you would be funny if you didn't take yourself so seriously.
>
>You'd be a lot cooler if you realized I don't.
>
>> I
>> searched for a long time to find anything pointing to true analogue
>> control.
>
>Yes, it has true analog control. As true as analog control as the PSP or
>N64 has. It even shows you in the instructions exactly how to use the
>analog controller for the DS.
>
>How could you not find that info?
>
>> A touch screen is not an analogue controller Fred,
>
>Um, it has the same exact properties as the PSP analog controller, so what
>is your claim that it isn't an analog controller? You use them exactly the
>same for the exact same result. You're spreading misinformation, but can't
>back up your claims.
>
>

Read any review from any website about the difference between a regular analog
controller and what the DS has.
 
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In article <42c164dc$0$737$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
>
>"Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote in message
>news:1119925063.066058.168520@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>> Please stop lying, Jojo, et al.
>>
>> One, why is this in a PS2 group?
>
>That's where Jojo is and where he's said it lacks analog control. Duh.
>People in the Nintendo group already know the DS has analog control.
>

That was a comparison post of the PSP and the DS. This post has nothing to do
with the PSP.

>> Two, if there is an analog stick/control/doo-hickey on the DS, please
>> post a picture of it since on all the DS *I've* seen, I've yet to
>> notice any analog device.
>
>http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/ds/images/thumb_use.gif
>
>> Three, your troll-dom is almost complete. I figure one more anti-PSP
>> post and you're there.
>
>What was anti-PSP about this post, silly kook?
>
>
This post had nothing to do with any Sony system and has no business being in
a Playstation newsgroup.
 
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"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
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> This post had nothing to do with any Sony system and has no business being
> in
> a Playstation newsgroup.

Oh, now, Jojojo, quit being fresh. It has more business being in a
playstation group than your tom cruise post. :)
 
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Fred Liken wrote:
>
> "Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >> Then play it the way it was made to be played, with the analog control.
> >
> > Fred, don't be a dick, it has a touch screen, we know that,
>
> Yes, you use the touch screen just like the PSP analog control nub. When
> you place your thumb on it, it even shows you the bounds of the stick.
>
Now why didn't you say that? Not quite the same thing and as I said
the complaints against it are that it DOESN't have analogue control.
You said I was spreading disinformation where all I did was say what i
saw. So far you are the only person I've seen saying that this
analogue control exists. a digital representation of something is just
that. It's not real, but a digital look alike. Is the screen really
pressure sensitive? does something happen, apart from damage, if you
press harder or lighter?


> you know
> > that and you've about as much chance of winning this argument as you
> > have of convincing us that you are not being a prat
>
> You're just spreading misinformation and your heatedness is ridiculous. Did
> you even view the image from Nintendo.com that proves the DS has analog
> control?

No, where is that? All I see is pages telling you you can use your
thumb or stylus to control things. Nowhere does it use the words
analogue control. Would you like to point us towards this screen?

Oh, hold on, i found this in the tech bits

Touch Screen: Same as upper screen, but with transparent analogue
touch screen
but still no pic of this control Fred.

Say something long enough and loud enough and people will believe you,
eh Fred? This isn't my argument, but yours. remember when we had to
take your word that your local shop was returning bulk loads of psps
to shops?

do you even own a ps2?


--
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-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
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In article <42c17979$0$695$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
>
>"Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>
>>> Then play it the way it was made to be played, with the analog control.
>>
>> Fred, don't be a dick, it has a touch screen, we know that,
>
>Yes, you use the touch screen just like the PSP analog control nub. When
>you place your thumb on it, it even shows you the bounds of the stick.
>
> you know
>> that and you've about as much chance of winning this argument as you
>> have of convincing us that you are not being a prat
>
>You're just spreading misinformation and your heatedness is ridiculous. Did
>you even view the image from Nintendo.com that proves the DS has analog
>control?
>
>

From Gamespots review:

"The original Mario 64 relied heavily on the N64's analog joystick, so Mario
64 DS gives you a few different control options that attempt to emulate the
control in different ways. By default, the game is configured to let you play
without using the system's touch screen. The D pad is used for movement, and
the buttons are used for jumping, ducking, attacking, and running. While you
can also use the touch screen for running, the other two control modes are
somewhat better suited for use with the touch screen, letting you shuffle the
buttons around a bit to give you more control over your character. Although
the three options do a decent job of letting you control your character, none
of them are quite as refined as the analog joystick that was used to control
Mario back in the original game. The D pad's digital nature makes moving with
it rather imprecise. It attempts to make up for the lack of refinement by
being a little more momentum-based, but you'll still find yourself running off
of ledges more often than you'd like. Using the touch screen really isn't much
better. You'll have full analog control over your movement, but changing
directions isn't as fluid as it should be. The control issues aren't
insurmountable, but it's a bummer that the game doesn't control as well as the
original. Super Mario 64 is a game that requires a lot of precision movements,
and it's unfortunate that none of the available control options are quite up
to the task."

From Gamers.com/EGM

"The problem comes with the control, and there are a couple of ways to look at
this. The first is to look at the fact that the original game actually
affected the design of the Nintendo 64 controllers, adding an analog stick and
camera buttons specifically to make Super Mario 64 as great an experience as
it was. Unfortunately, the Nintendo DS doesn't have an analog stick on its
system, but Nintendo has allowed for analog control through a thumb stylus
(we'll talk more about that soon), as well as a digital control option.

Now, instead of being able to control your character's movement from
tip-toeing to running, Nintendo is asking you to literally strap on a thumb
stylus (a piece of plastic that is placed on the pad of your thumb) and use
the touch screen as a substitute to the analog stick made for the game. As you
can imagine, strapping on a piece of plastic and sliding your thumb around a
smooth surface takes some time to get used to, and while it's a nice attempt
at recreating the analog control, it falls woefully short. Instead, you'll
probably find yourself opting for the digital pad control, even if the run
button, jump button, and attack button are awkwardly placed for fast gaming."


From Gamespy:

"We Miss You, Analog

My biggest complaint about Super Mario 64 DS is that the control takes a bit
of getting used to. This stems from the fact that the game was originally
designed to take advantage of the N64's analog controller. Since the DS
doesn't have one, Nintendo adapted the game to use the digital pad. I
admittedly had some trouble getting used to the d-pad at first, but after
collecting a star or two, I found myself becoming more and more comfortable
with it.

The other control option is to use the touch screen as a virtual analog pad.
By touching the screen (and I recommend using the DS's included wrist strap
thumb protector), you create a small circle below your thumb. This is your
"analog stick." If you keep your thumb in the center of the circle, your
character won't move. Slide your thumb to the edge of the circle, and they
burst into a full run. The only trick with this control method is that if you
move your thumb off the circle that you created, the circle moves with you.
Once you hit the edge of the touch screen, you're forced to reposition your
thumb, which can create problems with your in-game character. It's best if you
train yourself to not move your thumb wildly around the screen, instead
keeping it centered around where you initially touched."

You need more Fred?
 
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In article <42c18b01$0$687$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
>news😱sfwe.3997$Eo.1810@fed1read04...
>
>> Tried it for over three hours and it just doesnt work as well as an analog
>> joystick would.
>
>Wow, wonder what your problem was. Did you use the dongle?
>
Yep and it still isn't the same as a regular analog controller.

>> Read any review for this game from any website and they
>> mention the poor control. Get over it already.
>
>That game had poor control on the N64. What's your point?
>
>
They mention the poor control in relation to the original N64 game which had
great control. Not sure what your point is? Are you sure what it is?
 
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In article <42c18b50$0$684$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:Ixfwe.3999$Eo.720@fed1read04...
>
>> This post had nothing to do with any Sony system and has no business being
>> in
>> a Playstation newsgroup.
>
>Oh, now, Jojojo, quit being fresh. It has more business being in a
>playstation group than your tom cruise post. :)
>
>

Hmmm. I don't recall seeing a OT: before your post. Stop trolling.
 
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In article <42C18634.CC0BEF52@blueyonder.co.uk>, paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk
says...
>
>Fred Liken wrote:
>>
>> "Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> >> Then play it the way it was made to be played, with the analog control.
>> >
>> > Fred, don't be a dick, it has a touch screen, we know that,
>>
>> Yes, you use the touch screen just like the PSP analog control nub. When
>> you place your thumb on it, it even shows you the bounds of the stick.
>>
>Now why didn't you say that? Not quite the same thing and as I said
>the complaints against it are that it DOESN't have analogue control.
>You said I was spreading disinformation where all I did was say what i
>saw. So far you are the only person I've seen saying that this
>analogue control exists. a digital representation of something is just
>that. It's not real, but a digital look alike. Is the screen really
>pressure sensitive? does something happen, apart from damage, if you
>press harder or lighter?
>
>
>> you know
>> > that and you've about as much chance of winning this argument as you
>> > have of convincing us that you are not being a prat
>>
>> You're just spreading misinformation and your heatedness is ridiculous.
Did
>> you even view the image from Nintendo.com that proves the DS has analog
>> control?
>
>No, where is that? All I see is pages telling you you can use your
>thumb or stylus to control things. Nowhere does it use the words
>analogue control. Would you like to point us towards this screen?
>
>Oh, hold on, i found this in the tech bits
>
>Touch Screen: Same as upper screen, but with transparent analogue
>touch screen
>but still no pic of this control Fred.
>
>Say something long enough and loud enough and people will believe you,
>eh Fred? This isn't my argument, but yours. remember when we had to
>take your word that your local shop was returning bulk loads of psps
>to shops?
>
>do you even own a ps2?


I hope not. He needs to spend his money on professional help.
 
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> Not when the screen is also controller. Must be warping your mind.
>
you're like a stuck record

> > You could argue that the stylus replaces the controller
> > and you may have a point,
>
> Now, the stylus is not the way to use the analog control of the DS. The
> thumb is, just like on the PSP.
>

no it isn't and you know it.

> > but they're not the same thing.
>
> > How does the analogue work on the screen?
>
> Just like it works on the PSP. You move your thumb one dicrection and it
> moves in that direction. The farther from the dead spot you move your
> thumb, the more you'll move in that direction.

a stick is a mechanical device

>
> > if you press harder on the screen you go,
> > what? Through the screen?
>
> If you press harder on the PSP nub you go, what, through the PSP? You're
> not even making sense now.
>

you know something, you think that by talking out of your arse people
are going to think you're clever. Does the screen react to pressure?
if the psp has an analogue stick a gentle movement will be exactly
that. Will the screen react that way too?

> > analogue is a pressure thing isn't it?
>
> Um, no...
>
> > A mechanical process against a digital process?
>
> Um, no...
>
> The N64 and the PSP both use "digital processes" in their analog
> controllers. Same as the DS uses. All they do is assign a value to an X
> and Y axis. In a "digital" controller the values are either -1 0 or 1. In
> the analog controllers they assign intermediate values, just like the DS
> analog controller works.

I'd have to look at the internals to agree or disagree and to be
honest I don't have any of these machines in a bad enough condition
where I'd want to dismantle them

>
> > Anyway, none of this means anything to me. I have no real interest
> > other than you starting a new thread on an argument which is totally
> > irrelevant to this newsgroup,
>
> Yes it most definitely is relevant to this group. Comparisons of products
> to their competitors is very much on topic. Clearing up misinformation
> about a competitor only helps people better understand the positions that
> the two products have and relative aspects of each.

bollocks, you hope, in some small way, that you can affect sales of a
product by pushing another. This is a playstation group, not a
nintendo group and your posts are intended to do damage and inflame
situations. That's why you posted this separately, to draw attention.
It is called trolling, Fred

>
> > other than you seem to want the psp to fail and the ds to succeed.
>
> You're just a binary thinker. It's sad. Why would I want the PSP to fail?
> More competition equals more innovation.

Oh good, something we agree on, though I don't know what the bloody
hell my thinking has to do with binaries. If you had even the
slightest idea how I think I'm sure you would say the chip is faulty.


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