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Doug Jacobs wrote:
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote:
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>>they have 4megapixel phones in Japan right now. Who cares if it performs
>>as good as a SLR?! its not supposed too.
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> Again, I'd happily trade the camera functionality in the phone for better
> phone functionality. I get horrible reception on my phone even when I
> *do* have coverage. And this is supposedly the better of the services in
> my area... At least I get coverage in Milpitas. The last service I had,
> the phone wouldn't get any service within 5 miles of that place...
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> Anyways, I want my phone to be an excellent phone first and foremost. I
> don't want a mediocre phone with a toy camera glued to it.
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>>>Ok, there's been a lot of talk about shoving a DVR into a game console,
>>>but let's think about the reality of such a device. You're going to end
>>>up with a device that will cost more than a console + Tivo, or you're
>>>going to end up with sub-standard device that doesn't really have the
>>>horsepower the play games and record your shows.
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>>you are the most pessimistic person I've ever layed my god damn text
>>on...are you out of your mind? you're telling me a multi core processor
>>and 512 MB of ram can't accomplish that task?
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> It's not (just) a question of raw power, but of scheduling. One of the
> biggest complaints I've heard about the PC-based DVR solutions
I'm not talking about PC-Based solutions but I think what you're talking
about isn't really a problem anymore anyways, maybe a year ago. Until we
see a side by side of a MCE2005, MythTV and a Tivo, its all hear say
anyways.
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> Now you want to take a game system - which already have their OS
> streamlined for games - and burden it with an additional application that
> is extremely time-sensitive and IO bound? Something's going to give.
> Either you'll suffer from poor performance of your game, have poorly
> encoded TV shows, OR you can spend a lot of extra money throwing dedicated
> hardware at the problem - which will raise the cost, of course.
OS? Hardly in the context as you state. Try a streamlined kernel much
like your TivoBox with ALOT more power under the hood.
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> A DVR is not something I want sharing resources with another
> resource-intensive application, like a game.
I'm not really talking about doing both tasks at the same time but with
object oriented thread management and 2-3 cores (plus GPU), I don't
think it would be a big problem.
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> Yes, I know about the PSX, though it sounds like they literally took a
> Tivo and jammed an entire PS2 inside of it. The two systems don't share
> any hardware other than the DVD drive. The only reason it works for the
> PSX is that the PS2 hardware has gotten very cheap to produce, so the
> overall price of the product isn't much higher than a normal DVR+DVD Burner.
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> Were you to create a PSX-type combination of Tivo + Xbox360 (that is,
> separate dedicated HW for each function) you'd be looking at a $600-800
> product. Ok, so you could skimp a little if you let the DVR use the
> XBox360's 40GB HD, but come on...40GB is awfully small. A 40GB Tivo can
> record 40 hours of VHS-EP quality video, or 16 hours of better-than-SP
> video. That's not much space at all.
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> So, you'll end up with a mediocre game machine that has a small capacity
> for fuzzy recorded TV shows, for you'll end up with a box that's more
> expensive than if you just bought a game console and DVR unit separately.
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>>>Realtime MPEG encoding of a video signal that Tivo and other DVRs do
>>>requires quite a bit of dedicated processing power, not to mention the
>>>system memory and huge HD.
well, we'll see I guess. I don't think recordings will be fuzzy. Its
just a matter of porting MCE to the xbox. to tell you the truth ,
I don't have alot of faith in Microsoft's solution. Too much DRM. I'm
looking torwards a cracked solution that would allow xvid compressions
that could record a 30-60 minute show at 300MB @ near dvd quality.
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>>HUGE HD huh? how much is a 250GB HD now? a buck fifty?
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> Granted, HD prices continue to drop, but consider this, if you want your
> DVR to handle HDTV signals, they'll use up roughly 4x what a SD signal
> uses. Using my Tivo as a guide, that'd mean that a 250GB drive would be
> able to store ~60 hours at "low quality" (fuzzier than VHS-EP), or ~15
> hours at "best quality" (nearly lossless compression.)
sorry compression isn't it? see my last point.
I don't think
> anyone working on a HD-capable DVR is talking about anything smaller than
> 400-500GB (striping 2 drives together.)
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>>It is apparent to us now, that business was not your major
>>folks are dying for such a device.
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> Hey, I'd like one too - but not if the math doesn't make sense, and based
> on the all-in-one solutions I've seen so far, it's still cheaper to buy
> individual, specialized products.
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