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All good points and truthful. The thing is with the advent of the 64 bit technology its not like we are going to go backwards on this and M$ and Game Manufactures will have to get on board.
It is not like Intel will never make a 64 bit CPU it's simply that they do not yet have one.

Lets just thank AMD for starting the trend that will provide us with the next level they have become the catalyst that opened the road so to speak.

Intel when they release their 64 CPU with be applauded for their diligence and skill and everyone will forget who did it first AMD and all the heat the none AMD users tried to direct at them for being first to market.

If you do not walk tall and proud and do the things that make things better then you are not helping but in this case AMD has done the PR mans worst nightmare they came out first and will take all the heat for it until Intel releases their version of a 64.

Applaud AMD for breaking the new ground and expect even better things from them in the future because any company with Balls on them that big deserves it.

Intel is back benching it right now because they don't yet have the skill's to release a 64 and letting AMD break the new ground, and as all losers do they are trying to manipulate facts in their own best interests. That in it's self compels me to avoid Intel in the future for any applications.

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If you think any 64bit operating system will be developed in the next year by some unknown quantity, you are perhaps correct, if, however, you think that same OS will make ANY significant market penetration, you are severely deluded.

Anyone who buys a current 64-bit chip in anticipation of some great 32-64 bit home system migration is a complete moron.
Sure, if you got the £££/$$$ but a Athlon64 for some great gaming, but, besides for some stupid press releases, Intel are fine.
I hardly think anyone who owns a c-series P4 is upset at Intel.

AMD are performing fantastically at the moment. I fail to see why the fanboys are still shouting so loud. And if you think any particular chip choice above the £150 mark makes any difference in gaming performance... you are a tw@t.

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Render times? You'll find me down the pub...
 
Man not heard the Tw@t expression in a long time, like since the 70's so we know your old.

I fully expect another player to produce a viable OS for strictly 64 bit and completely do away with the 32 bit back-up as it is no longer required.

I do expect the Japanese or Chinese to produce this 64 Bit OS if M$ does not in the very near future.

I guess a L = $2.50 Canadian or very close to never bothered to get involved to much with English funds after I learned in grade nine over 30 years ago they in the Dark Ages cut pence into farthings or in other words cut copper pennies into slivers ????? I would not want to get one of those in my suit of armour near the nads YIKES.

Anyhow that would be $400.00 Canadian for a A64 when in fact I think they are still around $800.00 Plus CAN Dollars if you can pick-up a A64 for only 150 L in England and your complaining you got a real problem :)

I guess our Salarys are 2 times yours or almost 3 times that of the U.S because if My Salary was in U.S funds well then that would be more money than you could blow in Vegas in a year :)

I will get a A64 after they drop under $800.00 CAN but not to soon I just finished building the Wife a new XP 2800+ and my 3200+ days before the release of the new A64's and no wonder I never ventured to look into them because ..well being new and all who knew what to expect.

I am waiting for a 64 Bit supporting OS and I am hopeing very strongly that the Japanese take a shot at producing a Window Environment OS that M$ cant match. The Japanese are a very clever people and to build an OS is not as hard as M$ makes it out to be as we all know how fast they produced XP and how badly it was prepared and still cause problems for many people that have to upgrade to a new P.C to run it. Considering it relies on at least a CPU at the very least over 800 MHz to even install and the bare min of 512MB of system RAM to run it. Never mind the first service pack1 that caused every P.C upgraded to run so slow it could take as reported 4 hours for Outlook Express to open it was NUTS!!

If the Japanese write an OS it will be great no doubt about it they design things in such a way to prevent failure it is in their Nature to perform to the highest levels.

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With you Quit farting around. Remember 12 to 15 years ago this was happing with people saying all they need is 16 bit computers. And saying why do we need more then 512 meg hard drives with Low Memory. And people on the Fourms Like you Frgglefart. Going we dont need 32 bit. What is the use.

Then look at computer now. Amd64 3200 FX and Intel 3.2ee L3 2 megs cache. 80gig to 300gig hard dives. History repeating it self. And it will Keep doing so.

Then we have people or intel why do we need More then 32bit. For we want faster System. will slowly become like 16 bit.

Then wait a few years 64 bit will be better computer and that Amd 3200 32 bit and Intel P4ee L3 2 megs cache Will be Like the 286 running 16 bit. Or if you hit the late 1970s 8 bit. Where people where Playing Pong.

Do any of you remember what Bill gates was saying in the 1980s?
 
Do any of you remember what Bill gates was saying in the 1980s?
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"I want a diet coke with my fries, dad!"

Dad says "A what?" Bill "never mind"

O [-peep-], that was in the 70's. Sorry..



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Intel uses real measurement in speed that is cpu frequency. It's more tangible than PR ratings and is straight foward on performance too. two things to look for in cpu performance, cache size, and clock frequency. look at a 2.8ghz celeron with 128k L2. Then look a 2.8 P4 with 512kb cache. it's honest to me.
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Intel is honest about it's chips... that much I will grant you. However, clock speed is by no means a sole measure of performance, as your Celeron example clearly points out. OEMs are the real offenders in this case. They sell Celeron-based machines at what seems like great prices... then the customer finds out why they were so cheap.

If the new Celerons were more on par with the older PIII Celerons, it wouldn't be so bad. The P4 Celeron is crap though... no matter what clock speed it runs at. It would be nice to lay all the blame on Intel; but the large OEMs that push these chips have to be blamed as well.

<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
 
Besides Groveling_Wyrm it is a typical reaction from some one like you that doesn't LIKE something to Slander someone else who to this point is completely innocent of any crime to direct the fault away from who is in fact lying and that player is Intel not AMD.
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Sir, please tell me as to what part of my question was slanderous? And what qualifications do you have, telling me about what reaction I will have? Can you read my mind, telling me what I will say before I say it? Do you know, for fact, what I do not like? Do you know me? No, and even worse is the fact that you made an incorrect assumption about my intentions.

And since you know so much about the term slander, then you also know that making false accusations in a public forum, unduly discrediting another person's character, is also considered slander. You presume to much sir, and should be more careful about what you say and how you would say it.

And since I have to explain it to you, I was attempting (unsuccessfully, I might add) to make the point to you, that AMD has lied, does lie, and will continue to lie in the future, just as much as Intel or <i>any other business or government.</i>

To explain further, when you go to meet a new customer, do you immediately air your "Dirty laundry"? Do you now or ever tell them all the bad things about your business? No. You present the better side of your business or organization, attempting to garner the potential customer's favor. This is called marketing.

Your responses indicate to me, that it is no longer worthy of my time to respond to you. Have a good day.



<font color=blue> Did you know that 89.72% of all quoted statistics are false? </font color=blue>
 
89.72% of SODs posts are clueless.

I know, I know. Can't help it [sheepish grin]

A long long time ago, but I can still remember, how that music used to make me smile... <A HREF="http://www.nexus.hu/zonix/DIGGER.MID" target="_new"><b><font color=blue>Digger rulz</font color=blue></b></A>
 
Your sig is almost as good as: "I am lying." If that were its intention at least (i.e., is that supposed to be circular logic or a real fact?).

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
 
Circular logic, or more correctly, circular definition.

One point creating another point, thus possibly disproving itself, and then probably disproving the other point.

I love it!!!!

:wink: :wink: :wink:



<font color=blue> Did you know that 89.72% of all quoted statistics are false? </font color=blue>
 
Your living in the past in some solar systems they call them a Klingon LOL.

Grow up son the 32 bit CPU's no mater what speeds they run at are old news so get over it. Until Intel makes a 64 your just spewing the same old Shiite that you been hanging on to for years.

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Spewing more crap again? Inte has 2 (TWO) 64 bit cpus.
Of course the Itanium. Never heard of that one huh????

The Prescott is also 64bit. But dissabled ,just like hyperthreading in the Willinette and Northwood until the 3.06 and "C" models.

The 64bit Zeons will be on shelves within a couple months.Based on the Prescott core.

I aint signing nothing!!!
 
No they are not true 64's and no they are not for desktop or work station either they are server CPU's.

Any variant of Intel is Shiite until they release a True 64 like AMD did and your on the shelves in months time.... keep dreaming you will be lucky to see a true Intel 64 in the next 5 years.

They have no plans on making one they even said that!! I don't know how many times. I guess you don't read the PR statements from Intel off of the hundreds of web sites.

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Im not going to argue what is or is not 64bit. Itanium is strikly 64bit, the 32bit mode is such a poor performer that its really no count. Yes the Prescott is supposedly built to be 64bit ready, but it has not, and most likely , will not be implemented on desktop cpus. that probably wont happen for intel till tejas, unless there is some sudden change in position on intel's part. As far as 32bit dissappearing, thatll be a few years. Id say within 2 youll see most software coming in 64bit variations. in the next 6 months to a year, whenever Windows XP 64 bit is released, most major drivers will be ported, and alot of apps will have 64bit versions, not all, but alot. We will see if there is a big performance boost or not, but the marketing potential is there for everyone. Unreal Tournament 64bit may not mean much to people here, but it could be a big selling point to the normal user if someone were to market it that way. But 32bit will be alive and well as long as there is a cpu to support it.
 
GW's sig:
Did you know that 89.72% of all quoted statistics are false?
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Vapor:
Your sig is almost as good as: "I am lying." If that were its intention at least (i.e., is that supposed to be circular logic or a real fact?).
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Well.. the signature is slightly misleading. Personally I would make it "There is a 89.72% probability that a quoted statistic is false". There is a very slight difference between the two where my formulation is mathematically sound and GW's is not. However I guess what the actual intent of the sig is, is to point out that 89.72% of quoted statistics is used in the wrong way, that is the quoted statistic is right but the deduced conclusion is wrong. Again a different interpretation but in this sense it is closest to your assumption that people quoting statistics are lying (with a 89.72% probability).

Now did I kick all good fun out of this sig or not? :smile: Keep it though as it makes me smile each time I see it.

Btw just to make some contribution to the thread, the stuf written by SoD on what is 64bit and what not is utter rubbish in my opinion, which is not to say that all he wrote in here was utter rubbish, just a lot of it (as usual).



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Yes I do read alot.

Intel's 64bit is EXACTLY the same as AMD's64 bit. So how can one be real and the other not?????

Intel's press releases state that the Prescott is already 64bit. But it will not be activated until Windows 64bit OS is released.

I aint signing nothing!!!
 
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No they are not true 64's and no they are not for desktop or work station either they are server CPU's.

Itanium is not a 64 bit cpu ?

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Any variant of Intel is Shiite until they release a True 64 like AMD did and your on the shelves in months time.... keep dreaming you will be lucky to see a true Intel 64 in the next 5 years.

Do you have any tecnical fact or just day dreaming

i need to change useur name.
 
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