Nvidia & AMD Say HDD Shortage is Impacting GPU Sales

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Floods used to be my favorite of the natural disasters (inching out typhoons and placing far ahead of earthquakes and tornadoes). But now this flooding business is really fucking up my world. Between this and the Hangover sequel, Thailand is just getting thrashed....
 
You don’t have to be a finance genius to see that there’s a relation between the HDD and GPU markets. Probably monitor companies have the same problems...
 
[citation][nom]Inferno1217[/nom]The perfect time for SSD manufacturers to lower prices, capitalize and take a huge market and yet another missed opportunity.[/citation]

Totally agree with this. If one manufacturer were to lower prices would could have seen a huge sift from HDD to SSD.
 
[citation][nom]lord captivus[/nom]You don’t have to be a finance genius to see that there’s a relation between the HDD and GPU markets. Probably monitor companies have the same problems...[/citation]I'm not quite as sure about that one. Not everyone gets a new monitor with every new PC. But every worthwhile laptop has an NVidia or AMD IGP, and whether a desktop has a discrete card or an IGP there's a good chance that it, too, has an NVidia or AMD chip in it somewhere.

I wonder how memory's doing? In theory the OEMs could still order less memory and use their overstock to fill more slots in the machines they make/sell, perhaps charging slight premiums for making 6GB and 8GB more common.
 
Maybe nvidia shouldnt say "be patient" when asked about their new GPU then huh? Not that that's what this article was about but it still irks me when the rumor mill says their new card will be out in 2-3 months and we havent heard anything concrete about it! Everyone expects to see their new card at CES and they talk about tablets. Then when pressed about the new geforce card they blow the question off. Then a couple of weeks later they come out and whine about low sales of their lower end/mobile chips because theres a shortage of drives. boohoo. I dont wanna hear your complaining when its gamers that put you where you are now and you dont care to even tell us about your new card.
 
That hdd shortage is making a good impact on ssd sales too. The people who were buying the performance level hdd(on or above 10k rpm) are now buying the ssd product. But the entry level pc users are being punished by such high price of hdd ( as much as double the price than before in some cases). The hdd companies are trying to sell & clear their old stockpile of 500gb, 320gb or lower hdd products in this time to entry level users.
 
I'd imagine that SSDs were already selling on lower margins just to try and stay moderately competitive with HDD pricing-- and if that is the case, then they might not have a lot of room to go down until improvements in technology reduce costs.

 
Nvidia is not talking about the consumer, you and me, when they mention HDD shortage affecting their GPU sales.

They are talking about their commercial contracts where HP/Dell or anyone else who orders millions of dollars worth of product from Nvidia and AMD at a time for their computer and server line ups.

Consumer sales are small potatoes in the over all outlook.
 
Excuse me, but what is the relation between those two markets ? Isn't the lack of progress in the GPU domain that causes this ?
 
[citation][nom]Inferno1217[/nom]The perfect time for SSD manufacturers to lower prices, capitalize and take a huge market and yet another missed opportunity.[/citation]

i say this all the time THEY CANT, physical limits dont allow them to sell ssds at lower prices, go over to the intel article about the 14nm fab they are building, i did some math on what ssds will cost with that process and with the larger wafer size.

again if i knew how big the die size of a ssd chip was, i could do math based on that, but till than, i can only do math based on price.

[citation][nom]lord captivus[/nom]You don’t have to be a finance genius to see that there’s a relation between the HDD and GPU markets. Probably monitor companies have the same problems...[/citation]

no, i dont see the coloration, mainly because most pre built computers have integrated, and i cant see intergrated pulling in more than 116 million dollars in loss. are gpus used in servers normally? if so i can see it now.
 
[citation][nom]theuniquegamer[/nom]That hdd shortage is making a good impact on ssd sales too. The people who were buying the performance level hdd(on or above 10k rpm) are now buying the ssd product. But the entry level pc users are being punished by such high price of hdd ( as much as double the price than before in some cases). The hdd companies are trying to sell & clear their old stockpile of 500gb, 320gb or lower hdd products in this time to entry level users.[/citation]

and to get a decent warrenty you have to buy an enterprise drive, and those things are 450$ minimum for i think 2tb, what were they before flood?
 
This must has been written by some cowboy... because this is total Bull....

1) There is never been any real HDD shortage, the HDD prices were hijacked even when they were safely
dry, right here in the US. They didn't even got wet, yet the prices skyrocketed.

2) Even if "new PC's" was even an excuse, Neither AMD or Nvidia sell high end graphic cards for pre-built PC's. Their real market is the "enthusiast market" which upgrades (or build) their system(s).

This people (myself included) have a lot of hard drives already or have moved to SSD's. (or both)

This is just a scheme to hijacked their prices, hope that people don't fall for it.
 
i think its price gouging at this time....one parking lot to a warehouse was flooded along with roads....so 4000 oem units lost....im writing my congressman and asking them to do the math. why would a 500gb 7200 rpm drive double in price and stay there for 5 months when one factory in one county was damaged. crimes are being commited. and why had SSDs gone up in price?
 
Good thing I bought drives before all this happened. Two 2TB Hitachi drives for $60/ea after rebate and made good use of them with space to spare. Also they are external so they aren't being wasted spinning constantly while doing other things on the PC.




As good of an idea as this may sound on paper, I don't see that it is currently feasable otherwise it would already happen. The reason being is that people have known well for years that NAND flash is expensive and the hard drive industry is completely separate from the microchip industry. They are two different things entirely. One does not depend on the other. So yeah I "wish" that I could get a 1TB NAND based solution for 50 bucks but will it happen? that depends on the manufacturing process costs, not how much a hard disk costs or if hard drive companies are having a difficult time meeting demand. Demand can stay high or low on NAND but it isn't going to change the fact that it is expensive to manufacture opposed to a perfectly working hard drive foundry.

There are people who speculate that prices may drop on SSD by the middle of this year, but it is speculation until it does or doesn't happen. I hope that it falls but I'm not holding my breath.

As far as on topic of GPU prices, if those fall then that is fine because I was thinking about getting a 600 series nvidia card anyway (although I really don't need one, which is one key thing too a lot of people already have video cards that run everything well and really don't have a reason to spend more money on a new one) I sold my 9800 gtx+ and bought a 260 core 216 but I didn't really need to do that so that kinda taught me that even thoguh you might want to get 60fps in a certain game, spending money on it is worthwhile if you are actually going to play the game for more than an hour or two which I pretty much didn't.

Anyway I think I've been in the gaming hobby too long so although I can run out and buy new parts if I want to, it isn't really that big of a need. I guess these price concerns are more for high school kids that don't have much money anyway.
 
[citation][nom]daggnar[/nom]Excuse me, but what is the relation between those two markets ? Isn't the lack of progress in the GPU domain that causes this ?[/citation]
They're considered complements, They're not perfect complements. Most people buy complete computers, so they buy Graphics, Processing, HDDs and memory together, if One component goes up in price, the price of the complete system goes up. if the price of a complete system goes up, it influences people's decisions in purchasing: IE people buy less if the same product costs more, and tend to wait until it goes down once again. either lack of demand, or increase in supply will drive the price down. and that's what people wait for. going back to that market, if people buy less computers, AMD and Nvidia are affected in sales.
 
[citation][nom]Inferno1217[/nom]The perfect time for SSD manufacturers to lower prices, capitalize and take a huge market and yet another missed opportunity.[/citation]

Sadly this is likely going to have a reverse effect. If more consumers begin buying a SSD instead of a HDD's the retailers will note the increase of sales on SSDs and simply raise the price because of demand. The best way to decrease prices at this time is to hold off buying.
 
[citation][nom]thor220[/nom]Totally agree with this. If one manufacturer were to lower prices would could have seen a huge sift from HDD to SSD.[/citation]
No. Even if they lower prices by as much as 25%, the price per GB will still be very high and that is what most of the public looks at before looking at performance stats. HDDs are used for their huge capacities unlike SSDs.
 
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