Nvidia & AMD Say HDD Shortage is Impacting GPU Sales

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[citation][nom]drwho1[/nom]This must has been written by some cowboy... because this is total Bull.... 1) There is never been any real HDD shortage, the HDD prices were hijacked even when they were safely dry, right here in the US. They didn't even got wet, yet the prices skyrocketed. 2) Even if "new PC's" was even an excuse, Neither AMD or Nvidia sell high end graphic cards for pre-built PC's. Their real market is the "enthusiast market" which upgrades (or build) their system(s).This people (myself included) have a lot of hard drives already or have moved to SSD's. (or both)This is just a scheme to hijacked their prices, hope that people don't fall for it.[/citation]

Well for one thing, Jane ain't a boy... certainly not a cowboy. Not sure she could be a cow girl as I'm somewhat under the impression she's not from the U.S. (I'm completely indifferent to the truth of that, Jane, just making a point)

Lets forget about AMD here, they shouldn't have been mentioned in the title as that footnote said enough.

1.) In relation to what the article discusses it doesn't matter if the shortage is real. Certainly Western Digital was hit. If you don't believe that look at where every recent Western Drive is made and then look for pictures of Western's factory post flood. A LOT of hard drive makers were hit there, some certainly less than others but a lot of parts come from there even if they're assembled in Korea (Samsung). But all that doesn't matter anyway. Prices are high, that's just how that is and nVidia is feeling it.

2.) You're right but mostly wrong. nVidia doesn't make just high end cards but they make a tun of decent and budget cards for OEMs. Think DELL for a moment, who isn't a big AMD seller. You think those are all integrated card machines? HD 3000 sucks and we all know it, even a lot of Dell customers. So which GPU often gets paired with Intel CPUs? nVidia. Is it always high end? No... Doesn't have to be anyway, just anything's better than intel integrated. This is common thought to any vendor who's primarily an intel seller.

So all the OEMs are poppin' along selling computers with 1TB hard drives or better and all the sudden, wham. For whatever the reason (doesn't matter why, just that it is) hard drives are now $100+ more at those capacities. Well Dell, HP, and Acer, ect. want to still sell those systems with drives near those capacities but something's gotta go. First to go is the add-on GPU. Second is a lesser CPU. Ram barely matters in fact it's been said its so cheap 8GB is becoming the new norm.

AMD said they're feeling pressure, but that's all. They've got the budget scene nailed with Llano the way it's selling. Budget cards don't really matter to them anymore and High end GPUs aren't what move the market. Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings after just buying a Radeon 7x but it's true. High End GPUs are sold in such that they pay for their materials and R&D so next year a refined low-power, fat-cut version can sell en-mass to OEMs. This is how it's always worked. How many times have you read a review where a mid-range ATI/nVidia card was just last years cutting edge with refined process and lowered specs. Not knocking that system, just a fact.
 
[citation][nom]c_herring[/nom]I'm not quite as sure about that one. Not everyone gets a new monitor with every new PC. But every worthwhile laptop has an NVidia or AMD IGP, and whether a desktop has a discrete card or an IGP there's a good chance that it, too, has an NVidia or AMD chip in it somewhere.I wonder how memory's doing? In theory the OEMs could still order less memory and use their overstock to fill more slots in the machines they make/sell, perhaps charging slight premiums for making 6GB and 8GB more common.[/citation]

Actually I am pretty sure there are way more laptops with intel graphic then nVidia or AMD, and same with desktops.

Most corporations, companies are going to buy one with intel, 1. because its cheaper, 2. work PC is not for games, and intel graphic cards are more then enought for anything else.
 
[citation][nom]lord captivus[/nom]You don’t have to be a finance genius to see that there’s a relation between the HDD and GPU markets. Probably monitor companies have the same problems...[/citation]

I wouldn't say monitors so much, because, people generally don't upgrade their monitor, I've upgraded my box several times, never the monitor though.
 
[citation][nom]acadia11[/nom]I wouldn't say monitors so much, because, people generally don't upgrade their monitor, I've upgraded my box several times, never the monitor though.[/citation]

ya, I upgraded mine only when it died, and not looking forward to upgrade current one. Monitors are more like TV, you use it till it is dead or just way too over dated.
 
dontcrosthestreams,

i live in thailand...if you think the extent of the flooding was just the factory's car park, then you are not in touch with reality. Start watching news about something other than american sport.
 
I'm going to call BS on this one.
Most of their discrete GPU sales are upgrades, not new builds. It is much more likely that people are not upgrading because 1) their old low res monitor works fine, and they do not need a higher grade GPU until they get out of the 720p era. 2) Games are tied to consoles which have not changed in 5 years, so there is no pressing need to get a new GPU if you already have a decent one. 3) Newer onboard GPUs are generally 'enough' for most users, and even light gamers. 4) People who want to upgrade but do not 'need' to upgrade have been waiting for the new product releases. Especially as it is a new architecture release instead of a general line refresh. 5) related to 4, there were no new hot Christmas products released (by anybody, not just the GPU manufacturers). If they were able to do something more like the 448core GPUs (except something that people wanted) in the way of a product refresh then it would have spurred more sales, but it would not make sense to do a refresh 3-4 months before a new release, so nothing happened.

If anything, people with money to burn would be more willing to spend it on GPUs instead of HDDs that are currently overpriced. So the flooding should help their sales, not hurt it.
 
u know as i posted in another thread, the prices came down a bit. I just got a western digital green 2TB HDD for $115 on Amazon (also available on newegg but I don't wanna pay shipping/tax). I know their "green" version isn't their fastest but it sure beats the $220 price it was back a few weeks ago. I'm tempted to get another and try them in raid.
 
no offense guys but... what shortage? this really comes down to you two companies needing a reason to blame less than expected sales. That is all.
 
Then, if not the HDDs the tablets might be the bigger factor for the short graphic card sales. But there is a lot of denial the desktops are going to become a marginal market any time soon.

I planned to get another 2TB but prices duplicated that week. So, its real, the flooding impacted HDD prices. On the SSD side I used my xmas cash to get 2 of these, and my start up times went down as expected. However I can't say I am completely happy as I am already short on disk space for the system and apps. None of my motherboards can use them as cache.
 
what a bunch of nonsense. this is just to justify the lack of results. pc's have dropped a lot in sales. that's the ONLY problem. HDD's are just an excuse. people didn't stopped buying because a pc was $50 more expensive or because of the shortages.
"oh mr investor it's not our fault it's because of the thailand floods and hdd shortages" -.- yeah right.
 
What affects it the most, if you read where it says: "They say that the shortage of hard drives has impacted PC shipments and, as such, had an effect on their businesses.", is a little word called laziness. It's rather simple for somebody to learn how to do simple upgrades or even rather, full pc builds, and yet far too many people are too lazy to learn those skills. These are the same people who complain that PC prices are outrageous, when shopping for one. The other big issue is that they (AMD and Nvidia) focus way too much on uber-high-end products, and need to stop doing so. They need to make their low-to-mid-range products far better and more cost effective, with the back-burner focus being on the high-end. People buy what they can afford, and if they can't afford it, you're not selling it to them, period.
 
Since wafer is that "expensive" what they need is to change either the chip or wafer, Round wafer and square chip dont maximize the usage of wafer. You either get a hexagon chip or change ur wafer into rectangular/square.
 
Hard drive prices will never go down as before, until a new radical storage medium is finally introduced. The Asian manufacturers dictate the market trend. Sure we all say SSD drives should drop, they surely can, it now costs them less than $10 to make one (not factoring in R&D), but clearly, they won't. Consumer trends and purchasing habits on a grand scale, is what will dictate current market price, regardless of some third world factory outlet status.
 
[citation][nom]caedenv[/nom]I'm going to call BS on this one.Most of their discrete GPU sales are upgrades, not new builds. It is much more likely that people are not upgrading because 1) their old low res monitor works fine, and they do not need a higher grade GPU until they get out of the 720p era. 2) Games are tied to consoles which have not changed in 5 years, so there is no pressing need to get a new GPU if you already have a decent one. 3) Newer onboard GPUs are generally 'enough' for most users, and even light gamers. 4) People who want to upgrade but do not 'need' to upgrade have been waiting for the new product releases. Especially as it is a new architecture release instead of a general line refresh. 5) related to 4, there were no new hot Christmas products released (by anybody, not just the GPU manufacturers). If they were able to do something more like the 448core GPUs (except something that people wanted) in the way of a product refresh then it would have spurred more sales, but it would not make sense to do a refresh 3-4 months before a new release, so nothing happened.If anything, people with money to burn would be more willing to spend it on GPUs instead of HDDs that are currently overpriced. So the flooding should help their sales, not hurt it.[/citation]

I totally agree - I'm calling BS as well. How does HD prices affect that of new GPUs? I don't get it. Maybe the reason people aren't buying new GPUs is that there are no new GPUs to choose from aside from the 7970, or that users are satisfied with the GPUs they're running now.
 
Holy batcow! My old ATI1800 is fast enough to run todays games... It is 5 years old and still fast enough... The only reason to upgrade would be if I could afford to have 3 monitor, after that I would need new GPU. And most people have 5000 or 6000 series GPU's or similar from Nvidia, so they have much faster GPU than I have... so even smaller reason to upgrade.
What GPU companies needs are some killer productions that would make people some reasons to upgrade.
But I am guite sure, that HD prices does affect GPU income, more to Intel, but allso to ATI and Nvidia (in the integrated and low cost sector) AMD Llano is still selling well, if they just could manufacture more of them... Intell has taken more hits, but they have very strong economy, so they don't have problems. I am guite sure that Nvidia has much harder time, but if new Nvidia chip are actually smaller and more economical (as rumored), they have a good chance of doing well and mobile GPU are doing just fine at this moment, so there is good income in there.
 
I don't understand why this is affecting refurbs. I was looking at newegg and they want $199 (with $70 off making it $129) for a WD 1tb 3gbps. Are refurbs sent to Thailand for refurbishing or are they just taking advantage of us and selling it for twice what it was bought for originally??? Really feeling fleeced by WD pulling a stunt like this...
 
PC and component sales are down for a few obvious reasons IMHO. A nasty recession, PCs of 5 years ago are fast enough for most things people use them for, and tablet / smart phone sales are up. If it were the HD shortage, we would probably see higher sales figures for SSD drives. No one in the SSD business is bragging about their uptick in sales, possibly because there is none (despite the price gap being a heck of a lot smaller than it has ever been). Nvidia can blame who they want, but it seems to me that the big manufacturers of PCs are down on their sales figures despite giving the darn things away for the past 2 years. In my opinion, blaming an act of God is a cheap excuse to hide a more human reason (macroeconomic reason, whatever) or a lack of success on the part of the sales and marketing departments. Get real.
 
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