Discussion NVIDIA Ampere RTX3000 series Discussion Thread(Updated Launch Specs)

[King Dranzer]

NVIDIA Ampere is rumored to be announced in August and launch in September at Computex. It is said to be decent improvement over Turing with around 40% performance improvement through out the lineup. With the launch of RTX3080Ti(most probably that is what the RTX2080Ti successor is going to be called) we can expect 4K 60fps+ in 90%+ titles at ultra settings which was not possible with present high end cards well still 4K 100fps+ will out of reach for majority of demanding titles.

GA102(TITAN, RTX3080Ti):
5376 CUDA Cores
24GB GDDR6

GA103(RTX3080):
3840 CUDA Cores
10GB GDDR6

GA104(RTX3070,RTX3060):
3072 CUDA Cores
8GB GDDR6

GA106(RTX2660Ti,RTX2660):
1920 CUDA Cores
6GB DDR6

GA107(RTX2650):
1280 CUDA Cores
4GB GDDR6

I doubt there will be non RTX cards even on low end, I guess all the cards will be Ray-tracing enabled and come packed with RT Cores.
The info out there is very little but the potential leaks of specs or rumors are interesting. We did expect even more than this but 40% performance improvement over Turing is not too bad. I hope there is at-least comparatively bigger jump in Ray-tracing performance compared to Raw performance making Ray-tracing bit more mainstream.

Are we finally getting to the point where a single GPU can handle 4K@60Hz without any limitations.

UPDATED SPECS AFTER LAUNCH
​

RTX3090(TITAN)
10496 CUDA Cores
24GB GDDR6X
$1499

RTX3080
8704 CUDA Cores
10GB GDDR6X
$699

RTX3070
5888 CUDA Cores
8GB GDDR6
$499

That is pure Insanity in comparison to what we were expecting. Interesting. Lets see how the Performance goes in real world. On paper the specs are pure Insanity. If it delivers similarly in real world then we are in for a big WIN.

 

[jwcrellin]

The RTX 3070 will be a sweet replacement for my GTX 1080. I play at 1440p@144hz. This should be able to max out just about any game. I built a my PC in January. And have been waiting for this to complete the build. Now what's the chances of getting a RTX 3070 when it's released lol

I'll be getting the 3080 because everybody and their uncle will buy a 3070 and I just wanna flex on 'em. But seriously, i'm trying to max out my 1440p 165 hertz G-sync monitor.

 

[King Dranzer]

IMO, that's the nail in the coffin...

In that case I would actually recommend doubling the budget and going for RTX3090. But yes RTX3080 will have no bottleneck at 4K.

 

[King Dranzer]

The RTX 3070 will be a sweet replacement for my GTX 1080. I play at 1440p@144hz. This should be able to max out just about any game. I built a my PC in January. And have been waiting for this to complete the build. Now what's the chances of getting a RTX 3070 when it's released lol

1440p@144Hz I Highly recommend adding that extra $200 to get RTX3080.

 

[King Dranzer]

I'll be getting the 3080 because everybody and their uncle will buy a 3070 and I just wanna flex on 'em. But seriously, i'm trying to max out my 1440p 165 hertz G-sync monitor.

If you are talking about 1440p@165Hz at Ultra settings then let me tell you that even-though RTX3080 being big up from RTX2080Ti it cannot do that for intense games. But well it will definitely push lot many titles to that extent. And mostly the crazy resource demanding games are not FPS(with few exceptions).

 

[cryoburner]

That, and there's no way Nvidia showed their entire hand. They're waiting to see what AMD does, and then it'll be Super/Ti all over again...

There's only so much Nvidia can do against cards launching around the same time frame. In the case of the RX 5000 series, they didn't launch until around 9 months later, and by that point Nvidia was willing to retire some existing models and replace them with slightly cut down variants at significantly lower prices. Especially since the original 20-series pricing was poorly received to begin with. The SUPER lineup was arguably closer to what the 20-series should have been at launch, had some competition existed at that time.

They can't really do that against cards that will likely be launching just a month or two later. It's possible we could see something like a 3070 Ti slot in between the 3070 and 3080 with a price and performance between the two, but I wouldn't expect any major shift to the price-to-performance ratio with the 30-series anytime soon, at least not for another year or so. That's already been adjusted for prior to their announcement, since they know they will likely have greater competition at the high-end this time around. Even as it is, it sounds like production of these cards might be rather limited this year, and it will likely be hard to get these cards near MSRP for some months after launch.

 

[King Dranzer]

Hello Hello

There's only so much Nvidia can do against cards launching around the same time frame. In the case of the RX 5000 series, they didn't launch until around 9 months later, and by that point Nvidia was willing to retire some existing models and replace them with slightly cut down variants at significantly lower prices. Especially since the original 20-series pricing was poorly received to begin with. The SUPER lineup was arguably closer to what the 20-series should have been at launch, had some competition existed at that time.

They can't really do that against cards that will likely be launching just a month or two later. It's possible we could see something like a 3070 Ti slot in between the 3070 and 3080 with a price and performance between the two, but I wouldn't expect any major shift to the price-to-performance ratio with the 30-series anytime soon, at least not for another year or so. That's already been adjusted for prior to their announcement, since they know they will likely have greater competition at the high-end this time around. Even as it is, it sounds like production of these cards might be rather limited this year, and it will likely be hard to get these cards near MSRP for some months after launch.

Depending on how the Big Navi delivers the performance. NVIDIA will drop RTX3080Ti if required for sure. RTX3070Ti may also be offered. If they were to be released then they will be released in Q1-Q2 2021 and not any time soon.

 

[Phaaze88]

There's only so much Nvidia can do against cards launching around the same time frame. In the case of the RX 5000 series, they didn't launch until around 9 months later, and by that point Nvidia was willing to retire some existing models and replace them with slightly cut down variants at significantly lower prices. Especially since the original 20-series pricing was poorly received to begin with. The SUPER lineup was arguably closer to what the 20-series should have been at launch, had some competition existed at that time.

They can't really do that against cards that will likely be launching just a month or two later. It's possible we could see something like a 3070 Ti slot in between the 3070 and 3080 with a price and performance between the two, but I wouldn't expect any major shift to the price-to-performance ratio with the 30-series anytime soon, at least not for another year or so. That's already been adjusted for prior to their announcement, since they know they will likely have greater competition at the high-end this time around. Even as it is, it sounds like production of these cards might be rather limited this year, and it will likely be hard to get these cards near MSRP for some months after launch.

I don't think anyone mentioned WHEN the counterattack would be, but WHERE.

 

[hotaru.hino]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7nYy7ZucxM


NVIDIA posted a comparison of the 3080 to the 2080 Ti in Doom Eternal at 4K, at least for the first minute or so. The rest is just the 3080. The tl;dw is the 3080 maintains about 120 FPS with dips to around 100 in more intense scenes.

EDIT: For comparison's sake, the normal 2080 appears to get about 65FPS

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRAXVpV_-5I

 

[Phaaze88]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7nYy7ZucxM


NVIDIA posted a comparison of the 3080 to the 2080 Ti in Doom Eternal at 4K, at least for the first minute or so. The rest is just the 3080. The tl;dw is the 3080 maintains about 120 FPS with dips to around 100 in more intense scenes.

That there is just another example of what I was referring to earlier(perhaps it was in another thread... there's so many of them right now, ugh!):
Cherry picked samples that will not reflect the user experience as a whole. The software is what will either make these cards shine, or be another unimpressive crapshow that the 20 series was.
Vulkan runs really nice on Turing. I would expect it to be no different with Ampere. But what about on older, heavily patched engines?

 

[Prem Sawari]

That there is just another example of what I was referring to earlier(perhaps it was in another thread... there's so many of them right now, ugh!):
Cherry picked samples that will not reflect the user experience as a whole. The software is what will either make these cards shine, or be another unimpressive crapshow that the 20 series was.
Vulkan runs really nice on Turing. I would expect it to be no different with Ampere. But what about on older, heavily patched engines?

It's ok to be excited buddy

 

[hotaru.hino]

Cherry picked samples that will not reflect the user experience as a whole. The software is what will either make these cards shine, or be another unimpressive crapshow that the 20 series was.
Vulkan runs really nice on Turing. I would expect it to be no different with Ampere. But what about on older, heavily patched engines?

But what is the "whole user experience"? Someone's definition of what's relevant today and what's not is a matter of opinion. I feel it's equally cherry picking to find said older software that doesn't perform as much to go "see? that 'up to 2x performance' claim is BS" We might as well take the OG Crysis to claim that hardware progress has stagnated because no system can run it faster than 80FPS and performance basically dies at that one level with the VTOL.

Yes, we should take manufacturer's claims with a grain of salt. But we also shouldn't discount the points that prove they've made progress.

 

[theonerm2]

Did anyone else notice this?

The RTX 3090 is replacing the titan RTX with a $1000 discount on top of a boat load more performance.
The RTX 3080 is replacing the 2080 ti with a $500 discount on top of a heck of a lot more performance to boot.
The RTX 3070 is replacing the RTX 2080 with a $100 to $200 discount while still doing better than anything we've ever saw before.

I guess Jensen was right this time. The more you buy the more you save.

 

[Phaaze88]

It's ok to be excited buddy

I'm far from excited. I never even hopped on the hype train.
I learned my lesson with early adoption with X299, and am in no rush to grab Ampere anytime soon.

But what is the "whole user experience"?

Exactly.
I'm trying to account for both ends of the spectrum - old and new, perhaps not to the best effect though; I suck at being social.
I hear Doom's a good game - I tried it... it wasn't my cup of tea - it ran just fine - so I stopped like a 3rd of the way through. Too bad for me, I guess.
What I do like to, and still play... how relevant is this progress though? I don't know. They didn't provide any samples of what I do play.
Is there anything else out of what I play that does utilize Vulkan? I don't know - I can't be bothered to check right now.

All I can say is that's it's a bump, and whether it's worth it to myself. I can't say it's worth it to someone else, because their perception of worth is different.

Did anyone else notice this?

The RTX 3090 is replacing the titan RTX with a $1000 discount on top of a boat load more performance.
The RTX 3080 is replacing the 2080 ti with a $500 discount on top of a heck of a lot more performance to boot.
The RTX 3070 is replacing the RTX 2080 with a $100 to $200 discount while still doing better than anything we've ever saw before.

I guess Jensen was right this time. The more you buy the more you save.

It could also be that the yields were better this time around.

 

[hotaru.hino]

All I can say is that's it's a bump, and whether it's worth it to myself. I can't say it's worth it to someone else, because their perception of worth is different.

What you do with computers is entirely on you. But to discount points that objectively prove progress was made because it doesn't apply to you is kind of a disservice.

I'm sure some fogey who doesn't use a computer for anything other than checking cat videos wonders why hardware manufacturers bother with anything since what they have is sufficient.

 

[King Dranzer]

I feel sad for people who purchased RTX2080Ti not knowing that RTX3000 was going to launch soon. That was a big budget hit.

 

[theonerm2]

I feel sad for people who purchased RTX2080Ti not knowing that RTX3000 was going to launch soon. That was a big budget hit.

Me too. I think Nvidia or whoever should offer a stepup program. I know EVGA does that. So all hope isn't lost for everyone that did it. Although you should always do research before you buy. Had they done any research they would have known I think. I've known about it for months. I mean I didn't know when... But I knew to expect them soon. And there were lots of youtubers and techtubers that had been telling us to wait. JayzTwoCents in particular.

 

[King Dranzer]

Me too. I think Nvidia or whoever should offer a stepup program. I know EVGA does that. So all hope isn't lost for everyone that did it. Although you should always do research before you buy. Had they done any research they would have known I think. I've known about it for months. I mean I didn't know when... But I knew to expect them soon. And there were lots of youtubers and techtubers that had been telling us to wait. JayzTwoCents in particular.

I have been into more than 50 threads personally over past few months just to recommend to hold off building a PC as new GPUs are going to launch in few months. And there were many members who got into argument of waiting for ever scenario. Seriously why couldn't people see the obvious performance jump that this gen was going to have instead of blindly arguing that waiting for few months will lead to waiting for few more months and so on. Well most of the OPs were mindful enough to hold off the purchase. Sadly some went ahead and purchased RTX2080Ti. What can I say to them.

 

[Phaaze88]

What you do with computers is entirely on you. But to discount points that objectively prove progress was made because it doesn't apply to you is kind of a disservice.

I'm sure some fogey who doesn't use a computer for anything other than checking cat videos wonders why hardware manufacturers bother with anything since what they have is sufficient.

Who doesn't love cats?
I don't. I'm more of a fish person.

See? I did it again!

 

[jwcrellin]

I make sure to remind people to NOT pre-order anything. Wait for multiple independent reviews that can evaluate the company's claims. 2080ti performance for a mere $500 is certainly exciting, but be careful not to fall for snake oil.

 

[Phaaze88]

I make sure to remind people to NOT pre-order anything. Wait for multiple independent reviews that can evaluate the company's claims. 2080ti performance for a mere $500 is certainly exciting, but be careful not to fall for snake oil.

Some people are gonna do it regardless.
Just wish them luck, I guess?

 

[King Dranzer]

First of all By the time RTX3070 releases its benchmarks and review will be out.

When discussing RT3080 pre-orders(will there be pre-orders) it is fine for consumers to go ahead and pre-order it as even with 10% margin for performance loss it still is good 70% more powerful than RTX2080 if not the 80% NVIDIA is claiming. Which still puts it 30% above RTX2080Ti performance which is good.

IF there is going to be RTX3080 Pre-Orders I recommend going for it as Supply is short. If we recommend someone to hold on and not to Pre-Order. And by the time they decide to purchase it the Stock will run out and they will probably have to wait for months.

 

[jwcrellin]

When the alien overlords invade on Nov 2nd, you're gonna wish you hadn't sent Nvidia your last $700.

 

[cryoburner]

I make sure to remind people to NOT pre-order anything. Wait for multiple independent reviews that can evaluate the company's claims. 2080ti performance for a mere $500 is certainly exciting, but be careful not to fall for snake oil.

2080 Ti performance for $500 might sound crazy, but that's only because Nvidia marks up the prices of their highest-end cards massively compared to the performance gains they provide. The 2080 Ti is what would have been marketed as a "Titan" in prior generations, and those always offer poor performance-per-dollar.

As I've pointed out elsewhere, a 2080 Ti only gets around 40% more performance than the current $500 card, the 2070 SUPER. So while a roughly 40% generational performance gain at that price point is rather good, it's certainly not unheard of.

 

[drivinfast247]

When the alien overlords invade on Nov 2nd, you're gonna wish you hadn't sent Nvidia your last $700.

Do the aliens have a $700 anti-probing fee?

 

[King Dranzer]

RTX3080 outperform RTX2080Ti by good 25-30% on avg. using Launch Drivers is no Joke. 70% avg. generation jump from RTX2080 is what we expected and what we got. Good. Really good.

Lets see How RTX3090 performs.