Nvidia Announces GeForce GTX 1080 Ti; $700, Coming Next Week

[bit_user]

you forget that each SSD has a CPU inside also , and multi core as well ... SSD inside are little PC , they have CPU , Cache , and Memory .. Actualy SSD are tiny PCs ...

They are not tiny PCs. Processors have been inside HDDs for decades, although the details change.

This is irrelevant to the subject of GPUs, because the processors in SSDs are tiny, by comparison. Ultimately, what makes a GPU fast is what requires the large die area, with which price scales non-linearly. See above.

sound cards any one ? a $10-20 sound card today was $100-$200 , and I am not talking about shielded expensive cards with 7.1 surround , no simple ones !!

They got cheap because the functionality stayed relatively fixed. So, they were able to use smaller and smaller dies, as silicon fabrication improved. Smaller dies are cheaper, and facilitate more integration, which saves more cost. At the end, you have a board with a relatively inexpensive chip on it, and not much else. That's why it got cheap.

GPUs don't work like this, because they keep getting bigger and requiring more memory.

the rest is RD and Design.

R & D costs vary widely, as does the amount you can recoup, when you go to do the next generation. Because things like sound card chips are relatively simple, they can use a simple ASIC process and reuse much of the design for the next generation.

SILICON at the end no matter what. Chip MAKING. YIELD , AND ETC .. the more you advance the smaller and more quantity and more yield you get at the same price !

Not if you just take advantage of the smaller lithography to pack more compute, cache, etc. on the chip. See above. This is the point you're missing.

 

[anbello262]

sorry , you missed the GTX 680 for $499 in between ..

you are missing the whole point .. I am tired of repeating it. so lets each has his own opinion on the matter.

There were numerous generations of GPU's between the 8800 Ultra and the 1080Ti.
What's so special about the 680?
Well except for the fact that the GTX 680 was the first midrange GPU that Nvidia charged a flagship level price for. Nvidia produces 2 dies every architecture, a small die typically around 300mm for low and midrange cards, and a big die typically around 500mm or larger for their highend cards. For Kepler Nvidia sold the 294mm 680 as a flagship despite it using the smaller die. Then later, Nvidia released the still Kepler based 780Ti and Titan, 561mm die, as the flagship of the 700 series, when they really should have been the flagship of the 600 series.

So again, what's your point singling out the GTX 680's $500 price?

The sad thing here that you guys are not getting the point and I have t repeat it again ...

in the PC components , each part with time has a curve of its price , with time it goes down , for technology allows you to mass produce it at larger quantity and cheaper cost with time ...

this curve should never go up again ...

as I said , a flagship Harddisk started with 20,000 some 40 years ago , and the curve down made it reach 100$ today and 1000 times faster and better and larger ... and so on.

People in the industry know this , and as I said earlier , 20-25 years ago no one could dream of a full pc for $500 was a dream , yet PC Magazine wrote an article that things will go cheaper and better to the point that a PC will be 100 times faster and cost only $500 ONLY all the components regardless of inflation or anything else .. 25 years ago you could never get a PC lower than $2000 (good enough PC)

Nvidia reached $500 for their flag chip and they decided for the lack of competition to rise their flagship after GTX 680 .. they went agains the industry route in pricing ... and the fact that they today are selling their GTX 1080 for $500 proves my point 100% , and yes they could release it for even lower than $500 and still profit .

Actually people should expect the curve down for the flaghip GPU to reach $250 already and not going higher.

its is not about the GTX 680 it is about the point they curve changed direction , and focus here (WHILE OTHER ELECTRONICS IN THE PC PARTS NOT CHANGING DIRECTION USING THE SAME MANUFACTURING METHODS BUT FOR OTHER CHIPS INSTEAD OF GPU CHIPS)

This is the point ...

look at SSD Prices are they going up or down ? what Manufacturing process are they using ? and why they never go up in prices ? and their curve down with time is still curve down ? because they are pricing it right and not OverPricing like Nvidia did.

This has nothing to do with RD as well , becuase the GTX 680 had its RD as well and was Priced right..

the GTX 1080 release price should be $499 and the GTX 1080 Ti should be ALSO $499 taking GTX 1080 place and lowering the GTX 1080 to $400

Actually Gaming Flag ships should reach $250 after 10+ years ...but we need competition ... and we need a third and fourth player , hopefully some one will step in from the ARM CPU maker .. they already have experience in making 3D APU in their chips ... Like Apple or Samsung or Qualcomm .. they can make GPU for desktop I think ...

I can give you an easy example that goes against your logic, with your most common example: SSDs

2 or 3 years ago, the flagship consumer SSDs were worth about $500, maybe even $800 or $1000. Now we have SSDs that are worth close to $2000 (the new 2tb flagships).
The price has gone UP, and a lot, because they offer more stuff (higher capacity). But it's still the flagship, and according to your logic they should be cheaper.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

Orange. The colour. Nothing is made in orange anymore. I like orange. Therefore, this is a problem.

Gigabyte Does

Phanteks Does

We do ...

 

[ledhead11]

Orange. The colour. Nothing is made in orange anymore. I like orange. Therefore, this is a problem.

Gigabyte Does

Phanteks Does

We do ...

Not normally a fan of orange(even though I use a lot of Gigabyte), but d**n those are some nice looking setups.

 

[canadianvice]

Orange. The colour. Nothing is made in orange anymore. I like orange. Therefore, this is a problem.

Gigabyte Does

Phanteks Does

We do ...

Not normally a fan of orange(even though I use a lot of Gigabyte), but d**n those are some nice looking setups.

Hmmmmm, that board interests me. Though, for the case I think I'd like something black/orange. I'll admit, a small fantasy of mine is to get a case that replicates the computers from Aperture Science (Portal). I love how those chairs look too, but I know the ergonomics would leave a lot to be desired xD

 

[ledhead11]

Just a heads up. . . .

I haven't seen any pre-order links other than NV but I've seen articles for EVGA, ZOTAC, ASUS, and INNO3D for their variants. Most saying to be available by the end of the month and the OC editions shortly after. Saw 'em on Guru3d and Overclock3d.

Update: Just went to most major manufacturer sites and most already have listings for their FE versions. Some have the standard NV cooling while a few have brand specific cooling but all with the same clocks. Some have started listings for OC editions but no specs yet.

Oh, well. Now we just have to wait for the tidal wave of reviews.

 

[Sam Hain]

it's next week and... silence.

 

[ledhead11]

it's next week and... silence.

I was reading on Guru3d that the review embargo ends on the 10th when purchases become available. As of yesterday a number of sites were allowed, however, to simply show thier NV cards open from packaging as well as disassembling them to show the newer cooling solution. There are some significant changes.

 

[falchard]

Hopefully nVidia opens up Pre-orders before they let out reviews so they can take a page out of AMDs handbook.

 

[bit_user]

Hopefully nVidia opens up Pre-orders before they let out reviews so they can take a page out of AMDs handbook.

Huh?

No, that's only necessary when the reviews are going to contain some disappointments. With the similarity of this to Titan XP, I doubt there'll be any surprises. The launch inventory will probably sell out within hours.

 

[ledhead11]

Hopefully nVidia opens up Pre-orders before they let out reviews so they can take a page out of AMDs handbook.

Huh?

No, that's only necessary when the reviews are going to contain some disappointments. With the similarity of this to Titan XP, I doubt there'll be any surprises. The launch inventory will probably sell out within hours.

I fully agree. I honestly expect this generation of TI, including the likely OC custom versions later, to set a record for GPU sales in 2017.

My 1080SLI setup usually averages 20-40% over a single 1080 and pretty much rocks 4k/1440p gaming. The expected FE's are estimated 30-35% over a single 1080 and performance should be very similar sans the need for SLI in 4k/1440p gaming.

This means people with or building a mid, even possibly low, range PC can save their money for the GPU and really enjoy 4k or 1440p with little or no compromise now that the displays are becoming more affordable.

 

[Gurg]

Firestrike results:

http://www.tomshardware.de/fire-strike-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-gp102-pascal,news-257873.html

 

[Gurg]

Finally a single card that beats my 980 overclocked sli.

 

[ledhead11]

First review I've seen: https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/nvidia_gtx1080_ti_founders_edition_review/23

 

[Geezer760]

I Think $500 and up are just ridiculous prices for video cards,just to play a $60 game when that game will fall in price in a few months, Video cards are just way overpriced these days, and next year Hey guess what another NEWER better card there goes another $500,$600,$700. on and on an on. squeezing your wallets out of your cash again.

 

[mitch074]

One has to remember that for a long time, in the mind of consumers the best card is the one from the best card's maker - at a time when you had a couple tier, it could be defended - owning a 3dfx was owning the best 3D card; owning a Geforce3 was too; etc.
Thus, the reason why Nvidia and AMD still duke it out on the high end with Nvidia throwing its cash around to build teh l33t35T chip ev4r (GP102, GP105). Had Intel decided to go forth with Larrabee, we may have had an upset, as it was powerful, and expensive - unreasonably so. Still, in the mind of many, gaming on PC today means Nvidia - because the best chip is from Nvidia.
But, if you want to game with proper performance without having to sell a kidney, things get muddier - usually in favour of AMD, if the successes of Radeon 9500 Pro, RadeonHD4850 (recommended at Tom's for more than 2 years), RadeonHD7770 (took up the crown at the $100 level and stayed there for almost as long) and now confirmed worthiness of the RX470/RX480 are any indication.
THAT's where the core market is at: reasonably priced, reasonably powerful GPUs... And Nvidia knows it too. However, the tiers are moving to compensate both for inflation, and also for the raising baseline that require more pure horsepower: while it was fine for a long while to sell DX7 compatible entry level cards and leave DX8/DX9 level features for the high end, starting with DX9 ALL chips from the low end to the high end had to support the same feature set - making creating a GPU a both more complicated and simpler matter: compute units must be able to do everything, and power is now a matter of parallelizing and increasing clock speed. Since we're getting ever closer from then end of Moore's law, chips are getting bigger and bigger and as such more sensitive to defects and as such more power means bigger chips that cost more to make - while at the same time consumers expect power to increase all the time.
I mean come on! 10 years ago playing at 1280x800 was the kicks and FullHD was golden, today 1920x1080 is standard - that's twice as many pixels to push without counting stuff like HDR, tessellation, fatter textures, better physics etc. and pure gamers are asking for VR (90fps minimum), 4K (4 times the pixels)... So yes, the top end is costing much, much more than it used to and mid range is evolving along with it - but since there's now a limit to the amount of power one can get out of the silicon, prices scale logarithmically with power.

 

[mitch074]

Oh, and a nice one over at Guru3D: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/zarathustra-nvidia-price-history.html