Nvidia GeForce GTX 1000 Series (Pascal) MegaThread: FAQ and Resources

[Rossdowling321]

I think the ideas of future gen technology has been engineered and tested in labs for a while now and are only waiting for the market to reach it (like 8k), which is a shame but thats just the way things are, what we need is more competition to drive the market and utilize the innovating technology. 😛

Given enough hardware to drive it, and appropriate screen...
Could your eyeballs tell the difference between 4k and 8k in a 60" screen at 15 feet?

Similarly, 4k on a 5" phone screen. Can you actually tell the difference?

We can update the hardware all we want. Can't upgrade the Mark 1 MOD 0 eyeballs.

It really depends tbh, game developers might reach a point that 16k resolution is needed for photo realistic VR gaming, who knows what the future holds

 

[Mousemonkey]

I think the ideas of future gen technology has been engineered and tested in labs for a while now and are only waiting for the market to reach it (like 8k), which is a shame but thats just the way things are, what we need is more competition to drive the market and utilize the innovating technology. 😛

Given enough hardware to drive it, and appropriate screen...
Could your eyeballs tell the difference between 4k and 8k in a 60" screen at 15 feet?

Similarly, 4k on a 5" phone screen. Can you actually tell the difference?

We can update the hardware all we want. Can't upgrade the Mark 1 MOD 0 eyeballs.

Oh I don't know, a rusty spoon, couple of 4k cameras and a soldering iron...

I reckon I could make it work if anyone wants to step forward and give it a go.

 

[USAFRet]

I think the ideas of future gen technology has been engineered and tested in labs for a while now and are only waiting for the market to reach it (like 8k), which is a shame but thats just the way things are, what we need is more competition to drive the market and utilize the innovating technology. 😛

Given enough hardware to drive it, and appropriate screen...
Could your eyeballs tell the difference between 4k and 8k in a 60" screen at 15 feet?

Similarly, 4k on a 5" phone screen. Can you actually tell the difference?

We can update the hardware all we want. Can't upgrade the Mark 1 MOD 0 eyeballs.

It really depends tbh, game developers might reach a point that 16k resolution is needed for photo realistic VR gaming, who knows what the future holds

IMHO, VR gaming will go the same way as 3D TV's have. A total non starter.No one bought them, and some major manufacturers have stopped making them.

Sure...VR may be great. But you either have to have that headset on (shutting you off from the world), or have a full 3 or 4 wall room with floor to ceiling display (which most people won't do, at least in the next few decades).

 

[renz496]

though to be honest i see there is more interest with VR than stereoscopic 3D. but if we are talking specifically about game the kind of game that can be done with VR are much more limited than stereoscopic 3D.

 

[culzone]

Just returned my GTX 970 and am running on the on board graphics card (Intel HD 530) WOO HOO! GTX 1080 here I come... The custom versions, because I don't believe in the Founders version. Hahaha.

Did the same thing! returned my 970 on board graphics card WOO HOO

 

[USAFRet]

though to be honest i see there is more interest with VR than stereoscopic 3D. but if we are talking specifically about game the kind of game that can be done with VR are much more limited than stereoscopic 3D.

Yes, there is more 'interest' with VR currently. It is the current buzzword. Give it a year or two.
How much do those things actually get used?

I refer you to GoogleGlass.

 

[Rossdowling321]

I think the ideas of future gen technology has been engineered and tested in labs for a while now and are only waiting for the market to reach it (like 8k), which is a shame but thats just the way things are, what we need is more competition to drive the market and utilize the innovating technology. 😛

Given enough hardware to drive it, and appropriate screen...
Could your eyeballs tell the difference between 4k and 8k in a 60" screen at 15 feet?

Similarly, 4k on a 5" phone screen. Can you actually tell the difference?

We can update the hardware all we want. Can't upgrade the Mark 1 MOD 0 eyeballs.

It really depends tbh, game developers might reach a point that 16k resolution is needed for photo realistic VR gaming, who knows what the future holds

IMHO, VR gaming will go the same way as 3D TV's have. A total non starter.No one bought them, and some major manufacturers have stopped making them.

Sure...VR may be great. But you either have to have that headset on (shutting you off from the world), or have a full 3 or 4 wall room with floor to ceiling display (which most people won't do, at least in the next few decades).

VR is much more immersive than 3D, with VR your view is controlled by your head/eye movement like in real life, which makes certain situations much more realistic, like for example you walked on a trap switch and the ceiling begins to descend and crush you, the closer that ceiling gets the more you panic because it feels like its about to "touch you" as it is right infront of your peripheral vision.

Those experiences will be used to make some of the most insane unplayable horror games with in the next few decades, I mean Imagine the PS4 demo "PT" with VR, that alone is enough.

 

[USAFRet]

VR is much more immersive than 3D, with VR your view is controlled by your head/eye movement like in real life, which makes certain situations much more realistic, like for example you walked on a trap switch and the ceiling begins to descend and crush you, the closer that ceiling gets the more you panic because it feels like its about to "touch you" as it is right infront of your peripheral vision.

Those experiences will be used to make some of the most insane unplayable horror games with in the next few decades, I mean Imagine the PS4 demo "PT" with VR, that alone is enough.

Yeah, I get that.
Out here in the human world, apart from the time of 15 years old when you can kind of afford it, and 21 years old when you have other actual stuff to do....
Being immersed in your own little world with a headset that cuts you off from the outside world is pretty useless.

I'd like to see a study that tracks people that actually use their VR stuff for more than 18 months.
Neat toy, but life intrudes.

 

[17seconds]

VR can be extremely risky and highly subject to "addiction". When you start to forget about the outside world, or when the VR world is way more interesting than the real world, then it can become a problem. Make no mistake, that can happen easily. We are in the first few months of consumer VR. In three years, five years, ten years we'll all be very familiar with VR and how it can transform our society, both for the better and more likely for the worse.

 

[Math Geek]

this book http://www.amazon.com/Ready-Player-One-Ernest-Cline/dp/0307887448/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1463860421&sr=1-1&keywords=ready+player+one is an awesome example of what VR could become and just may for many people.

think second life meets VR multiplied by 1,000,000. in this world, real life sucks the big one and everyone "lives" their daily lives in this VR world, including school, social life and everything else.

we already see people literally playing themselves to death in marathon WOW sessions and other games. imagine once VR gets so lifelike it's hard to walk away for even a minute to eat or sleep. .....

 

[USAFRet]

VR can be extremely risky and highly subject to "addiction". When you start to forget about the outside world, or when the VR world is way more interesting than the real world, then it can become a problem. Make no mistake, that can happen easily. We are in the first few months of consumer VR. In three years, five years, ten years we'll all be very familiar with VR and how it can transform our society, both for the better and more likely for the worse.

2 decades ago, Quake 1, when there was actual 'mostly 3D' and you could look up and down...
After a long gaming session, going to the store involved looking into 'up' the corners to see what might jump out at you.

VR today will be even worse.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

this book http://www.amazon.com/Ready-Player-One-Ernest-Cline/dp/0307887448/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1463860421&sr=1-1&keywords=ready+player+one is an awesome example of what VR could become and just may for many people.

think second life meets VR multiplied by 1,000,000. in this world, real life sucks the big one and everyone "lives" their daily lives in this VR world, including school, social life and everything else.

we already see people literally playing themselves to death in marathon WOW sessions and other games. imagine once VR gets so lifelike it's hard to walk away for even a minute to eat or sleep. .....

Otherland series by Tad Williams. Same concept. Great books.

 

[detroitwillfall]

VR can be extremely risky and highly subject to "addiction". When you start to forget about the outside world, or when the VR world is way more interesting than the real world, then it can become a problem. Make no mistake, that can happen easily. We are in the first few months of consumer VR. In three years, five years, ten years we'll all be very familiar with VR and how it can transform our society, both for the better and more likely for the worse.

2 decades ago, Quake 1, when there was actual 'mostly 3D' and you could look up and down...
After a long gaming session, going to the store involved looking into 'up' the corners to see what might jump out at you.

VR today will be even worse.

i was like 12 when my girlfriend at the time use to play that and i was like whoa this is crazy..funny how far we've come

 

[U6b36ef]

The issue for VR to me is that it is a fail before it even gets going. That's because it is extremely bad for our eyes to focus on objects at the distances VR uses.

 

[Rossdowling321]

The issue for VR to me is that it is a fail before it even gets going. That's because it is extremely bad for our eyes to focus on objects at the distances VR uses.

How is it bad for your eyes? your trying to justify a VR headset being bad, listen.. when you look at a monitor your eyes are fixed and get no exercise, thats the theory behind it being bad for your eyesight, VR on the other hand is in a different ball game.

 

[KillSwitch07]

This thread got derailed so hard lmao

 

[Math Geek]

was kind of thinking that myself fater i posted the link to a book about 80's nostalgia and VR worlds.

may be we can get it back on track again. anyone seen any good info on any custom cards yet??

 

[Michael Trenton]

It really depends tbh, game developers might reach a point that 16k resolution is needed for photo realistic VR gaming, who knows what the future holds

Yeah. Tech is moving amazingly fast. We've just barely entered 4K territory, yet only four years from now the Japanese TV channel NHK are aiming for 8K broadcasting during the 2020 Tokyo Olympics. Surely that means there is just a matter of a few years before 8K displays are avaialble to buy for consumers. That's 16 times the resolution of 1080p! It just blows my mind how fast things are moving really.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

It really depends tbh, game developers might reach a point that 16k resolution is needed for photo realistic VR gaming, who knows what the future holds

Yeah. Tech is moving amazingly fast. We've just barely entered 4K territory, yet only four years from now the Japanese TV channel NHK are aiming for 8K broadcasting during the 2020 Tokyo Olympics. Surely that means there is just a matter of a few years before 8K displays are avaialble to buy for consumers. That's 16 times the resolution of 1080p! It just blows my mind how fast things are moving really.

Tech is moving a lot slower than it used to. Moore's Law has finally been broken, for instance. Our new CPU architectures are resulting in 5% better performance, whereas in the 90s, the next u[grade was a huge upgrade. Even our GPU upgrades are mediocre to say the least.

 

[9third]

Hey guys, this is from another forum but I wanted to move it here. 😀

Based on the recently released specs of the Gtx 1070, does anyone think any games on a 4k display would run well? Or would you need to give some bigger bucks for that kind of stuff? How about a 1440p display?

 

[Math Geek]

Hey guys, this is from another forum but I wanted to move it here. 😀

Based on the recently released specs of the Gtx 1070, does anyone think any games on a 4k display would run well? Or would you need to give some bigger bucks for that kind of stuff? How about a 1440p display?

thanks for bringing it here

anyway, best guess for the 1070 is going to be somewhere between the 980 and 980ti most likely closer to 980 ti performance. this should be enough for 4k but not with max settings and high fps. i'd do some looking around for 980 ti benchmarks at 4k to get a basic idea what to expect. with the 8gb or vram it should do a bit better since as we know the extra vram helps at high resolutions.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

The 1070 will likely be about as fast as a 980 Ti or very comparable making it capable of ( roughly ) maxing everything at 1440p and playable at 4K with lowered settings.

 

[Michael Trenton]

It really depends tbh, game developers might reach a point that 16k resolution is needed for photo realistic VR gaming, who knows what the future holds

Yeah. Tech is moving amazingly fast. We've just barely entered 4K territory, yet only four years from now the Japanese TV channel NHK are aiming for 8K broadcasting during the 2020 Tokyo Olympics. Surely that means there is just a matter of a few years before 8K displays are avaialble to buy for consumers. That's 16 times the resolution of 1080p! It just blows my mind how fast things are moving really.

Tech is moving a lot slower than it used to. Moore's Law has finally been broken, for instance. Our new CPU architectures are resulting in 5% better performance, whereas in the 90s, the next u[grade was a huge upgrade. Even our GPU upgrades are mediocre to say the least.

Yeah, I guess I agree that when it comes to certain techs, particularly CPUs things aren't moving that fast right now. I could very well be wrong, but personally I think mobile computing is partly to blame. Seems emphasize is mainly on portability, low power consumption etc rather than raw power these days. IDK. It's a bit disappointing really, but at the same time it makes investing in a top of the line CPU more worth it when you know it will still hold up five years later. Had this been 20 years ago it would have been completely obsolete five years later.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Tech's moving slower?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/ai-nobel-experiment/#:Zbxe-ZOg_2r4/A

Seems like it's moving forward so fast it's scary to me. 😛

 

[9third]

thanks for bringing it here

anyway, best guess for the 1070 is going to be somewhere between the 980 and 980ti most likely closer to 980 ti performance. this should be enough for 4k but not with max settings and high fps. i'd do some looking around for 980 ti benchmarks at 4k to get a basic idea what to expect. with the 8gb or vram it should do a bit better since as we know the extra vram helps at high resolutions.

(I am new to tom's hardware, so sorry if I am doing the quote thing wrong) So from looking at some games, (Like forza 6 apex) the requirements for the game at 4k would need a gtx 980ti. The 1070 would be able to run it at about the frame rate of a 980ti, right?