Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Pascal Performance Review (Archive)

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And than i have still to pay 90-120USD for shipping and import taxes. For example, Cheapest 980ti will be 690USD including shipping and taxes. While a can get it for 790from a local store with convenient warranty and service. For cards like GTX970 the difference is even lower 25-50USD. So I will wait and see the prices for non founder editions.
 


In one of the comments, an user request the benchmarks of the 480, and Tech Of Tomorrow responses: "480 is almost the same as a 980 at least the 8GB version will be".

What a time [strike]to be alive[/strike] to pick a GPU.
 


"Almost as good as a 980" means as god as a 970.
 

Since the 970 and 980 are about 30% apart, the 480 only needs to be 15% better than the 970 to be just as close to closer to 980 as it is from the 970.

We'll find out for sure in about two weeks from now.
 


And then we have 50-70% improvement from 970 to 1070. So 480 will be 200-300 (for the 8GB), but the 1070 will be over 50% faster at 400. So guess that nvidia will release a 1060 at 250-300 with the 980 performance to battle it.
And they can do it by rebranding 900 series or by cutting down 1000 series. Guess they will not go below 970 performance in 1000 series. May be the 1050 will be the "low end" for ~200 with 970 like performance.
What an interesting point we see. "Low end" GPUs 1080p@60fps on high/ultra settings for 200 USD.
Long live competition.
 

Most of the credit goes to 16nm: the drastic performance per buck and per watt improvements would not have been possible without smaller die sizes and increased clock frequencies. It has been so long since the last GPU die shrink that most people have forgotten how much of a game-changer they can be.
 


The improvement - yes.
The prices - competition. You can see that nvidia is kinda piggy right now with the 1080 and 1070 pricing. And they did it before. It takes AMD to release something decent to make nvidia prices to become more realistic.
I see no reason why this 1000 series should cost more than 900 series equivalents. And lets face the truth, GP104 is not the BIG FAT chip. That is the GP100. So why should it be 50USD more ? Because they can. And even though I prefer nvidia cards (I do like linux, and the drivers are so much better), I want AMD to be successful.
 

Without 16nm, there would be no chips in the first place and even without AMD, Nvidia's new chips are already in competition with the installed base of Nvidia chips: if the new chips fail to provide sufficient additional value at a somewhat reasonable price to convince previous generation chip owners to upgrade, Nvidia would get insufficient sales to afford staying in of business, much like what has been happening to AMD since the Core 2's launch.
 


Most people do not upgrade every generation. I'm for myself sitting on GTX570 since there was NO NEED TO, just WANT TO :) And now I finaly at the point where I can not squeeze more out of my card (already running @900/2100MHz at 1.1v vs 732/1900MHz stock) due to relatively hot climate. I feel comfortable up to 30c ambient, but computer does not - card becomes unstable when GPU temperature reaches 73c. And it's kinda stupid to live with AC just for computer. I prefer the breeze).
So I'm in line for upgrade and I don't like the fact that i have to spend over 400USD. Which will be translated to 600USD where I live (674USD and 977USD for 1070 and 1080 founders edition respectively right now.
Regarding the sales - the more affordable, the more you will sell. The number of cards sold, is falling since the low end (used for casual gaming and HTPC) is obsolete by integrated GPUs. So there is a strong need for good cards at 150-200USD to raise the sales numbers. Only a fraction of users are ready to spend over 300USD on GPUs - that's a price of some basic laptops.
 


wrong strategy . I always sell old and by new each generation and I end up paying the same you do.

you are wasting new cards for the same price you pay without knowing ...

Cards lose 30% of their Value on ebay each generation . so when you sell the card and pay 30% and get new card each generation , it is the same when you keep your old card untill you cant sell it on ebay and pay full 100% price for new card ...

your old card : pay 100% , new card pay 100% (4 generations)

my way : gen 1: pay 100% , sell 70% , gen 2 😛ay 30% , sell 70% buy Gen 3 pay 30% , Sell 70% , Buy Gen 4 , pay 30%

paid 100% + 30%*3=90% and enjoyed all

you paid 100% + 100% and skipped 3 generations

so I enjoyed every Generation and paid the same like you paid ! while you skipped 3 Generations and did not enjoy them
 


I used to do it. But now, it's too much effort to:
1. find a buyer (ebay is not that helpful due to location)
2. replace the card within the liquid cooling loop :)
 


Lazy I guess lol ... and you keep a water cooled pc for 5+ years still using Sandy Bridge I guess ?
 


Nope, Haswell i7-4770K :) Replacing the MB and CPU is so much easier (and i went there from C2Q 9600). I have soft tubing, so i can just swap it out.
But the graphics card requires some modification/adjustment to the GPU+VRAM and VRM blocks. Two blocks to make it "universal" :)
 


Will be ? Since these guys can read the future, can you have these guys tell me what the outcome of the Belmont Stakes will be ... throw in a few other sports events too ? :) I'll make a appointment with the local bookie right after. Last few years we have seen "The AMD [insert upcoming technology here ... i.e. mantle, 2xx, 3xx] is gonna change everything" and it has not come to pass. In the meantime, AMD's market share has slipped to 20% and the 970 outsold all 25 or so AMD 2xx and 3xx cards combined. And while I do hope that AMD hits a home run with the 480, I do hope that (in CF) it is competitive with NVidia's top cards. But here's the thing ...

nVidia has been working real hard the last few generations to make SLI less attractive cause it hurts sales of the top tier cards. They crippled the 970 by nerfing the throttling point and this time around they dropped **support** (you can do it by getting a key, but don't call for support) for 3 or more cards and scaling on the 1xxx series is way down from 9xx series.

a) Is this because, as some writes have suggested, CPU bottlenecking ? Have we finally reached the point after several consecutive years of 20+% generation to generation GPU improvements, while CPU performance has remained relatively flat, that the GPUs has outpaced the CPU so much that this is now our limiting factor ? Seems a reasonable possibility (too early to tell as yet) since scaling continues to be very good at 4k but that at 1440p its less and 1080p even less.... or

b) Is nVidia purposely being a bit slow in driver development because 1) AMD has nothing on the table and 2) the 1080s only competition is two 1070s and they make more money selling 1080s ?

If you look at the numbers for the 970 @ 1440p for example, using numbers curtailed from tech sites like techpowerup and results from their large game suite testing, we find the following

-Out of 27 games tested, two 970s were faster than the 980 in 26.
-Out of 27 games tested, the one instance where the 980 was faster it took you from 56 to 61 fps.
-That one game was Wolfenstein: New Order ... not exactly a widely popular title. Did many folks make the buy choice to spend twice as much because "they wanted that 5 fps in WNO" ?
-On average over the 27 games, the 970 was 40% faster
-The key issue however, was that in AAA titles which really push the GFX cards, the scaling was 92-96% bringing the 970s performance in the 60 fps range while leaving the single 980 at 35 - 40 fps. So for the same price, where is the advantage of the single 980 performance wise ? ... You get 5 fps advantage in a single unpopular title out of 27 games, meanwhile every other titles are on average 40% faster and the high load, and where it really matters .... popular AAA are up around 60 fps while the 980 languishes at 35 - 40.

So ... regarding the previous "home run" reference on the 2 x 480s, will it be enough ?.... While the anticipated price / performance of the 480 is very appealing, it still has two hurdles to pass...

1. We will still see the same protestations about single vs two cards even tho the test data doesn't support those claims. It must be said however that AMD has historically struggled a bit on timely driver releases.

2. The media will continue to write about "the top dog". Even tho the 380 outperforms the 960, the 960 still outsells the 380 because every magazine and web site headlines with the fastest card (1080) on the market. For many, the performance of the two cards in the price range they can afford, is not investigated before purchase, all they do remember however that "nVidia make the fastest card" so thay want a card w/ an nVidia logo on it.

So. to my eyes, AMD also needs to make a splash at the top end to gain mindshare ... and not like the last two generations where they got embarrassed from running a big ad campaign, only to have nVidia drop the 780 Ti / 980 Ti just as the cards were coming out.
 


111 / 97 = 14.4%

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In other words, nVidia is doing what any non-profit company is doing, setting the price at what the market will bear.

Remember that the 970 pricing was an isolated case, to my eyes nVida 'went after' AMD with predatory pricing on the 970 to eliminate AMDs lineup from being competitive. The 970 was faster than the 390 and 390x, the 280 / 380x was faster than the 970 ... but for the price increase, you could get huge gains by stretching ya budget a bit and grabbing the 970.

The 770 was $399
The 970 was $329
The 1070 is $379

Is it nVidia or the vendors who are boosting the price ... (it's likely both). As longer as peeps are sitting on newegg for hours on end refreshing the page every 30 seconds, process will remain high. Personally, I can't see the draw in being the 1st one on your block to have the card ... the founders edition (reference cards) are gimped and the 1st round of non-reference cards will have the usual bugaboos as every round of 1st stepping cards has. Wit for after the initial surge and you get a better product at a cheaper price.

So let's summarize, back in 2103 we happily paid the MSRP release price of $399 for a 770, but here we are 3 years later with a MSRP release price of $379 (non-reference on newegg at $419) for a card that's 2.6 times faster.

That's a 5% MSRP price decrease for a 160% improvement in performance ... even at today's supply shortage influenced price of $419, that's a 5% increase in price for a 160% improvement in performance... wait a month and I expect we'll be very close to the MSRP.... but I think it will be quite a long time before we see $329 process for nVidias 2nd tier card. The price point at which AMD has been able to remain competitive has been dropping with each generation. Unless they can turn that around, nVidia will be able to charge whatever it wants.
 


With technology advancement, things tend to get cheaper to produce. So take into account inflation and whatever, you still supposed to get cheaper product.

The price increases just because they can do it. because there is no real competition. Huge chunk of the price is GPU (nvidia/amd share). So vendors like asus, msi, evga do not have much margin to create real competition.
As long as AMD trails behind, we will have this piggliness from Nvidia.
It already happened with 700 series that was release for higher price, and than due to AMD release of "good" cards at good price, nvidia had to cut the prices by almost 100USD and introduce 780ti to have 600-700USD offer 😉 I don't remember nvidia had bad results that year.
 
A shame that the reviewers have completely forgotten that other band of serious GPU users - 3D graphics artists! We need lots of GPU grunt for rendering, and these GPU reviews used to give worthwhile real-world figures for rendering time. Now all we see is stupid game figures. Please show comparative figures for GPU rendering a test scene on TITAN, TITAN X, 980TI, 1070, 1080, and whatever AMD cards you want to add for balance.
 

Wrong place to point a finger at. About half of the retail price is due to distributors and retailers' costs and markups.
 


not really. My whining is about MSRP of 379$ which I've not seen matched by any manufacturer yet.
Cheapest EVGA card so far is 419$.
I blame Nvidia for those pricing. Retailer's overpricing party will be over with improved availability. But only competition can force NVIDIA to behave.
 
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